Finally, More Rumors.

That's not good. If Apple has commissioned Intel to make a custom motherboard it could mean a hardware security check.

Eh? "Could"? Its called TPM... *sighs*

At least itll be way more powerful than itd be now

I hope

I think that the initial "you'll first see intel processors in june '06" statement by Jobs will turn out to be "all macs intel by june". It only makes sense because PPC will become 'legacy hardware' and the sooner you phase it out, the smaller the PPC base will be. A smaller legacy base means that you can focus on optimization rather than compatibility. Because I think that when Apple computers are x86 they will grow way beyond the %5 market share (in the US atleast).

If I had $ to spend on stocks, I would invest in Apple stock prior to x86 ibooks. I know I wouldn't buy anyother laptop period. Especially if they get the new intel processors first (yonah dual core, ie 'dual-centrino')! CA-CHING

This whole 'Apple switching to Intel processors' thing has renewed my intrest in computers, and it's all speculation at the moment.

Well we already all know that Apple has had OSX on the table for x86 since its conception, lest Apple's market fail or IBM dissapear etc. I think OSX x86 has been on the cards since 10.0 - XCode magically supporting x86 in a version that's not much larger than the PPC-only version? Seems like hidden functionality until now...

I just want to add that i think Apple really has been working long and hard at this transition. They make great computers and are generaly a really cool company, what with the whole "brand power" and all, and i think the ppc to x86 transition has really been well thought out.

For you all-along mac owner, the guy or girl who's just always had a mac, or who primarily works on a mac, the transition is simply amazing. They won't notice a thing: all applications still work, future apps will also work, and asthetically, its the same Apple we've seen all along.

For the ones attracted to mac because of the platform switch, WOW. Apple is really getting somewhere with this transition. Who wouldn't want an ibook to cherish if they could obtain one at a low price? Nobody. And now that that ibook can run windows alongside what it's known for (Mac os, the easy-to-use, friendly, and well-thought-out girl next door), many people WILL take up this offer. And we've been told how long mac os has been running on x86 hardware, and how hard everyone's working at this.

So um to Apple: Congrats. You're really doing things right, and you're finally doing more than just getting noticed in the PC arena.

To all else: c'mon ppl, buy Apple!

That's not good. If Apple has commissioned Intel to make a custom motherboard it could mean a hardware security check.

Whatever they come up with, I'm sure Maxxuss will crack it. He's da man.

he is "the man", i agree, but what are his opinions? how does he feel about the transition? where has he been when not "circumventing"?

is he "the man"?

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he is "the man", i agree, but what are his opinions? how does he feel about the transition? where has he been when not "circumventing"?

 

is he "the man"?

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What they can do, however, is make it so complicated and hardware-specific that any cracked copy of their operating system will run like garbage. It will be so ridiculously slow and error-ridden that people will save themselves the grief and buy a legit Apple machine.

i not that worried

i'm sure it will be crackable

maxxuss is not the only one

if a retail version of osx will come out a lot of people will try to hack it

the two last build have been seeded quite secretly via torrent site.

there was homemade release

I wouldn't worry about it being uncrackable - i'm sure it won't be. The great thing about the reports that apple has outsourced chipset design to intel is that they are not likely to bother developing a new mac only chipset - they'll just modify current PC ones and that should make cracking it even easier.

But the question is would you really want to bother with the hassel of running a cracked unsupported os when for a small premium you can get a stylish pc with complete support and you can install windows on that again fully supported. I can't see apple being able to justify higher costs for equipment that is essentially the same as PC hardware so finally the mac may be as affordable as a self build pc.

I really doubt the price changes much. Seriously, most mac users don't even know what PowerPC implies. Most probably even think it has the same CPUs as Windows PCs currently use. All that counts is how the machines look and the fact that they run Mac OS.

Someone mentioned the smaller PPC base or something along those lines. I don't think it'll be the smaller of the two architectures in terms of #s until 2008 or later...just my 2 cents.

I really doubt the price changes much. Seriously, most mac users don't even know what PowerPC implies. Most probably even think it has the same CPUs as Windows PCs currently use. All that counts is how the machines look and the fact that they run Mac OS.

But would apple sacrifice unit profit for increased market share? Whenever i speak to PC users one of the main arguments is that Apple are just too expensive for them, and it's a fair cop. But i don't think the reason for this is that apple is trying to rip its customers off - part of the problem is probably that PPC chips cost!

With the switch to intel, no doubt involving a large discount incentive offered to apple to get them to ignore AMD (which technically speaking are way ahead of intel at the moment) then it may be a clever move for steve to drop the cost of macs a few percentage points and hope for a increase in sales.

I'm no business wiz but it seems like a fairly safe bet and in line with his moves on the budget pc market with the mac mini.

A few thoughts:

First, I'm not sure that the prices will change much at all. I think they should (the original Macinstosh was conceived of as a cheap PC for the masses), but if they do, it won't be much.

Second, I think the final production Macs will have a anti-hack mechanism that is stronger than the current ones. Having said that, I'm sure there will always be a way around it, whether it's by pulling parts from the DTK installation, etc.

But my question is why did they just start on the Power Macs in October? That's 5 months after the announcement, and you know that Apple had decided on the Intel switch months (if not a year or two) before that. So why wait so long?

So why wait so long?

They've been busy?

Also:

Conroe.

Good call on Conroe. And welcome to the forum, lookmark!

According to a engineer in SuZhou, China, the intel powerbook is almost ready for shipment.

"the sn of the new pb is U230, the sn of motherboard is M42, display card should be ATI M12, LCD panel is made by AUO, further more, the new pb has no modem but fortunately there is a camera on it", he said.

I wouldn't worry about it being uncrackable - i'm sure it won't be.

http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/719.html

Every lock has a key. Sometimes more than one.

Y'know I have a feeling that the Intel machines will be something we aren't expecting. I just read an article off of a macbytes link, arguing that the new LT technology Intel produces will lock OSX on the Mac. I bet Apple will also have something on the motherboard. It makes sense for Intel to make the motherboard for efficeincy. I bet all this stuff will soon be seen on an Intel powerbook w/ dual yonah. Then Intel ibook w/ single core yonah. Mac Mini soon after that. Around July a merom powerbook and conroe imac (imac must be 64-bit, it doesn't make sense to go backwards w/ yonah which is 32). Of'course ibook would move to dual core as well. Finally Jan of '07 xserve and powermac on intel.

If this is true, any cracking of OSX would be really hard.

Remeber when jobs announced the Intel switch he stated that apple still had plenty of power pc products to come. Well as far i can remember the only new powerpc product since then was the updated imac. Surely there must be a few updates to come on some of the product lines before we see them transitioned.

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They probably meant "powerpc products" as in not only hardware, but software. And aside from that, Jobs stressed that powerpc software production wouldn't suddenly disappear with the arrival of Intel machines. They still have time to keep their word. They have until late 2007 when Leopard comes and the transition is pretty much done.

This is an important issue to me. I am sticking with AltiVec and probably will be moving to Linux on the Cell for the bulk of my work. Now, I am looking at buying my first Quad and I expect XServe Quads to be introduced at MacWorld SF next month along with the first x86 Macs.

I expect that Apple will continue to supply PPC Macs to professional users for at least two more years (and maybe more if Intel fails to address the shortcomings of SSE3). Furthermore (and I know this sounds nuts), I would not be surprised if Apple decides to kept selling PPCs Macs indefinitely either.

However, Leopard is supposed to arrive in about a year, that is the end of 2006 (not 2007)