Anti-iPhone Campaign

To be honest, this is stupid.

If AT&T and Apple need to unlock the iPhone, then Verizon should make GSM/CDMA combo phones with SIM cards.

But you don't see people rioting and calling Verizon out on it, now do you?

Maybe it will work, but chances are, it wont happen now. Maybe in a year or so.

nokia,

your phones are not open to everything

they are not the best devices and do have limits

do us a favour, stfu

ok,i don`t wont to say who have better phones or so,but i think that Nokia is right.

i mean,if i want iphone here in Serbia,i must to unlock it illegally and that`s how i lose warranty ... stupid isn`t it ?

~R

Nokia has no right to judge and attack Apple. 1, it's not their product. 2, they aren't relying on Apple at all, or working with them or anything. Nokia is just trying to get it how they want it. IF they make a phone that is more fun to mess with than an Iphone( I don't even use it for a phone really a lot, I just do to mess around with it. ) then I'll agree with Nokia. I do however think that Apple bricking unlocked phones, I think that's going to far. If they are, I think they should atleast set up a recovery service, and charge for it. Or, don't completely brick the phone. Disable like communications or something. But don't brick it. If you mod your 360, microsoft doesn't kill it. They atleast let you play games offline still.

i mean,if i want iphone here in Serbia,i must to unlock it illegally and that`s how i lose warranty ... stupid isn`t it ?

No, because the Iphone right now with all its features is designed to work with AT&T. For one when you unlock the Iphone, you're flashing the bios. That's just basic with most technology products you void the warranty when you mess with the bios. It sucks though that the Iphone isn't offered everywhere, I'll say that. But there isn't much you can do with it. It's Apples product, they choose what they want to do with it. Not you. It's not a democracy.

Apple's stance was met with outrage because, unlike unlocking, users who had installed third-party applications (like myself) simply to increase the usefulness of their pricey handsets. In addition, to those who had done nothing at all were suddenly being informed that they had voided their warranty on the iPhone and that they could not help them.

imo thats some serious {censored}, and modifying your iphone isnt flashing the bios as far as i know, its a simple firmware mod, not bios or bios-like at all. they should at least be able to reflash the firmware for you....

But there isn't much you can do with it. It's Apples product, they choose what they want to do with it. Not you. It's not a democracy.

I know what you wanted to say,but you said it on very stupid way (sorry) .It`s not democracy it is FASCISM !

The customer is always right,and Apple (like any other company) depends on customers.So i think that they have too stupid iphone selling politic. Imagine just that they sell iphones like ipods ...

~R

The customer is always right,and Apple (like any other company) depends on customers.

Catchy slogan but far from reality in North America for a long time now.

Nokia:"BOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOO!"

Very childish, but I think they're more likely to make people want an open iPhone rather than those rubbish Nokias

Why does Nokia care?They have the best selling phones of all time. Numbers that the iPhone will never see.

Nokia:"BOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOO!"Very childish, but I think they're more likely to make people want an open iPhone rather than those rubbish Nokias

Wow. Fanboy alert in this thread!

I love my Nokia N95, and to me, it was a far better option than the iPhone. I don't have to screw around with my hardware to do what I want. I also pay less, not only for the phone upfront, but monthly. 1500 minutes, night/weekends/data for $75. Suck it, AT&T.

And while I like Apple, I think they should have just released an unlocked version and not even bothered partnering with AT&T. I also think they screwed the customer a little by not including a microSD slot, onboard GPS, flash, etc.

N95 has all of that, and more. I can check gmail, google maps with traffic, find the nearest anything with the built in maps, surf with opera or the built in browser, stream to it through Orb, play movies FROM it to my TV, listen to music WITHOUT headphones, use any MP3/AAC/other as my ringtone without paying Apple or using any workarounds, and I also have a REAL camera on it (one of the two cameras on it), which actually has even better clarity and color than I expected. Oh and for all that I can choose GSM/GPRS or WLAN with WPA2 support.

Sorry, I just don't get it. Fanboys will say "but no touchscreen!" I don't care. Navigating is easy enough and I never have an issue. I don't need the silly animations to make me happy.

I've had Nokia phones for 10 years. Never had one fail on me, and I've dropped/beaten/tossed them, and they keep going. Never had OS lockups, slowness, or any other issues that made me sick. And last of all, I'm very happy that I can just eBay my phone anytime I want, and put the money towards a newer model without dealing with the contract extension {censored}.

All in all, it's a great marketing tactic whether or not you like it. Nokia does have an edge there for sure, nobody can deny it. Unlocked vs. locked. Facts are facts, sorry.

And on top of it, Nokia just acquired Navteq, so the "finding anything anywhere" will only get better in the future.

I love my MacBook Pro and my iPod, but I'm not into the iPhone. Not yet. Not until they break free of the AT&T shackles and add some necessary features.

unstatusthequo, great post.

I've also got a N95 which I love but mine has a few issues with it like slowness (but that's more to do with the fact that my network Orange screwed with it).

The N95 has a lot of features the iPhone doesn't as unstatusthequo mentioned. Some such as a 5MP camera compared to a 2MP make the iPhone seem 2 years old. I mean what's the point of seeing photos in cristal clear clarity if the ones you take with your phone are clearly low-res, I've got a W800i phone which has a 2MP camera and I never take pics with that.

Now i'm not gong to say Nokia are the leaders in the market or anything like that because this is my first Nokia phone. Previously had Sony Ericssons. But one think I do like about Nokia and other companies around is that you can do whatever you want with your phones and not have to worry about it.

And btw Nokia have every "right to judge and attack Apple"... Or do you fall asleep when the "I'm a Mac" ads show?

Catchy slogan but far from reality in North America for a long time now.

And btw Nokia have ever "right to judge and attack Apple"... Or do you fall asleep when the "I'm a Mac" ads show?

Quote of the year.

Stupid campaign from Nokia IMO.

I've never been into phones that do more than just "making calls", but working for a BIG corporation as internal tech support has allowed me to experience everything from Treo's to Blackberries and even sidekicks'...

But I had never been as impressed by a phone until my boss showed off his iPhone. The ease of use, simplicity and sheer beauty is unmatched imo. I now have mine, was already a cingular customer anyways, and have not had a problem with it.

As far as the device being locked..... Please, all phone manufacturers have exclusive models here and there. Relax...

Who cares about Nokia? They're just trying to capitalize on all the hubbub with Apple bricking phones, which should be the real issue. I love the iPhone, but Apple and Steve need to be taken down a peg. They're starting to forget who they make their money from and whose interests they should be serving. THEIR CUSTOMERS. Not some company who they partnered with who's making tons of money off the deal anyway. These partnerships are meant to provide a better customer experience, but if the customer wants to create his/her own experience then they should be free to, provided they realize they're risking damaging their iPhone and voiding their warranty THEMSELVES. They shouldn't have to worry about Apple screwing them over after taking their money. Apple seems to be slowly moving away from ensuring customer loyalty through great products and services to trying to lock people into contracts and holding them prisoner. NOT the way to it.

Still, they're way above most other companies even now such as The Steve's refusal to raise the iTunes show prices for NBC.

Then again, they're trying to charge you twice to make a song you already paid for into a ringtone. It has to stop or Apple's gonna see a mass migration to open source alternatives.

Nokia has no right to judge and attack Apple. 1, it's not their product. 2, they aren't relying on Apple at all, or working with them or anything. Nokia is just trying to get it how they want it. IF they make a phone that is more fun to mess with than an Iphone( I don't even use it for a phone really a lot, I just do to mess around with it. ) then I'll agree with Nokia. I do however think that Apple bricking unlocked phones, I think that's going to far. If they are, I think they should atleast set up a recovery service, and charge for it. Or, don't completely brick the phone. Disable like communications or something. But don't brick it. If you mod your 360, microsoft doesn't kill it. They atleast let you play games offline still.

No, because the Iphone right now with all its features is designed to work with AT&T. For one when you unlock the Iphone, you're flashing the bios. That's just basic with most technology products you void the warranty when you mess with the bios. It sucks though that the Iphone isn't offered everywhere, I'll say that. But there isn't much you can do with it. It's Apples product, they choose what they want to do with it. Not you. It's not a democracy.

But as you mentioned. IF the producer feel the warranty is void it's still NO excuse for not repairing the product. Just not under warranty. Apple could just ask a (reasonable) fee to repair the damage and be done with it.

But this is plain stupid and not commercially sound.

Anyway. I KNOW that Apple is just like ALL the big corps. a bunch of @#$! They have thier own petty rules and regulations and ditch warranty whenever they can. I have a similar problem ATM with Nikon and a digital SLR camera (I believe there is a significant design flaw in icertain dSLRs which EVERYBODY keeps silent) which Nikon in my case, doesn't want to repair under warranty. At least I CAN get it fixed by paying money. The fact is that ppl should have known this attidute from Apple by now. Look at how iPod-hacks have been received? Or how Apple dealed with (even real defects under warranty) the overheating laptop problems in the past?

All the corps. these days are Mafia and Gestapo rolled into one. It's about time the consumers stood up. In this case I can only say STOP buying Apple products. You KNOW they have mediocre products made in China with outragous margins! You KNOW that NO big company gives proper service. So stop dealing with them.

EPDM

I don't know about mediocre products. Maybe mediocre attitudes towards customers who aren't satisfied with the "Apple intended" use of it's products.

house phone landline > iphone, period.

house phone landline > iphone, period.

Pretty much any phone > iPhone.

What a load of rubbish. It's not like Nokia don't make locked phones, nor that it's any easier to install third party apps on new S60 phones. They need a complicated signing process. Screw the Finns.

Pretty much any phone > iPhone.

you guys pretty much = crazy pills

the iPhone is pretty much the coolest phone of all time.

It's the implementation of the service that sucks.

I think it's kinda funny. I really like my iPhone, and most Apple products, but god DAMN they can be cocky sometimes. They need to get the chip off their shoulders and focus on continuing to make good products! Apple's made some awesome stuff and I like that, but they need to DROP the moral superiority, DROP the attitude that they invented everything (they innovate, but DON'T act like they invented the wheel)and DROP the attitude that their users are easily impressed and need to be spoonfed every technical detail. Why make the iPhone an closed platform? Because Senor Jobs thinks he knows better than the millions of Apple users and indy developers.

When I got my iPhone I quickly decided it was the best mobile platform ever built. When I started installing user-created apps I realized it's the best mobile platform ever conceived. This isn't about anti-iPhone to most people (admittedly, it is to Nokia because that = money)- it's anti-Apple's {censored} attitude towards users. There's a reason Apple didn't go with Verizon- VZW loves to have it's users by the balls and tell them every little thing they can and cannot do with their mobiles. Apple wanted that role.

And let no-one call "Fanboy" on me. I am the anti-fanboy. I like Apple. I compliment them, probably not enough. Their products are fantastic. The problem lies with upper management and marketing, who are staunch members of the Church of Jobs. It's just as bad at Microsoft so don't even. There are plenty of similar rants by me about how Microsoft needs to pull it's head out it's ass. But today's target is Apple.

To sum it up;

Nokia- thanks for a good laugh and reminding us about how much of a pain in the ass Apple can be. But screw you, I bought an iPhone instead.

you guys pretty much = crazy pills

 

the iPhone is pretty much the coolest phone of all time.

 

It's the implementation of the service that sucks.

iPhone = Form over function

But how did you know that I take crazy pills???

VZW loves to have it's users by the balls and tell them every little thing they can and cannot do with their mobiles.

And AT&T doesn't? LOL

I have a VZW phone. And I am most certainly NOT bogged down, nor am I locked into their service schemes. BitPim is a wonderful tool, and here's why:

Verizon released an updated version of their software of the VX8500 which locked down the phone from being written to or read from 3rd party software, such as BitPim. People with resources were able to downgrade their own phones to old versions of the same software, which still worked. BiTPim made the changes to read and write to the phones, and once again we were in business. We don't HAVE to use the GIN service at all, as long as you know how to use the backdoor and you have the right key.. only STUPID people use (and actually PAY FOR) GIN for ringtone customization, music, images, etc.

Verizon has a great service plan, great network, and a great messaging service. But again, like the rest of the more intelligent VZW customers (and with a little insight from a former VZW tech friend), the rest can be done WITHOUT VZW's proverbial ball and chain.

I'm sure that you could say the same with AT&T (and the advent of the unlocked iPhone), but as far as network technology and speeds go, I'll choose VZW, who has been at least two network systems ahead of the rest for some time now.

Maybe I've been exceptionally lucky with AT&T but my previous phone (Samsung A707) was pretty open. No features were locked or restricted. I could download any 3rd party apps I wanted, install any ringtones and so on. Bluetooth sync and file transfer worked out the box, no special software or carrier-supplied programs. Needing 3rd party uploaders to get past restrictions is unacceptable, hence my frustration with the iPhone- but that's a problem with Apple, not AT&T. There's not even an AT&T logo to be seen on the iPhone.