ciparis Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Update on fan issues: I did some testing this morning with both OSX and XP, establishing a baseline for a stressed OSX system and then comparing it to XP. The short summary is that at least in general use, XP is fine. Temperatures under a heavily taxed OSX session (playing 1080 HD) were higher than they are in XP under general use. Note that this is not complete data for a real comparison -- it's just a validation that something isn't seriously broken. I'll do more testing for more apples-to-apples comparison later but for now I wanted to allay fears that browsing on XP will melt a macbook. This macbook (1.83 / 1GB RAM) sat idle all night. At the test start, it was in OSX, and a measurement was taken from the aluminum top tight corner of the case (looking down), right against the edge before the curved plastic corner border begins (in other words, above and to the right of the power button right at the corner of the case). I'm using a Braun thermo-scan infrared *human* thermometer, so the range is limited (both low and high), which meant I had to find places on the case to measure that were within its range. I added more points of measurement as the temperatures increased enough in those places to be measurable by the device. All temps are in degrees Fahrenheit (sorry). This should probably be a graph, but... idle overnight: 95 (current time) 11:50: top right 96 12:00: 100 <-- commence playing 1080 stream in quicktime (repeating at end each time) 12:12: 102 12:16: 104 12:20: 105.2 -- added measurement point: top of the power button (which was previously too low to measure) 12:25: 106.3 || power 102.4 12:30: 106.9 || 102.5 -- added measurement point: on top of case, just below the bottom edge of the right speaker grill, against the right side 12:35: 107.7 || 102.8 || bottom grill 96.2 12:43: 107.8 || 103.4 || 96.5 12:46: off scale high || 104.5 || 96.9 12:50: off scale high || 104.7 || 96.9 rebooted into windows xp pro - began normal use (installing drivers, browsing) 12:52: 107.5 || 103.3 || 96.7 12:55: 106 || 102.9 || 96.5 1:01: 105.8 || 102.4 || 96.5 1:07: 105.3 || 102.1 || 96.4 - rebooted after applying updates - resumed heavy browsing 1:14: 105.4 || 102.4 || 97.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathChill Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Looks like these drivers work for the Mini (with VGA connections only I guess):ftp://aiedownload.intel.com/df-support/96...n2k_xp14182.exe For some reason people aren't confirming it in the thread but on the IRC channel everyone with a Mini says it's working fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swad Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 We've now got a hardware compatibility (and incompatibility) list on the wiki to compliment this driver discussion. Hop on over there and quickly tell us what you've gotten working and what doesn't. This includes hardware that doesn't come with your Mac. As more of us try different hardware, we'll need a place to put it. Also, if someone can copy the information from this thread into that page (and the other dual booting page), you'd be doing the community a real favor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IzakuM Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 ATI Display for MAC Links https://support.ati.com/ics/support/KBAnswe...questionID=3379 I hope this link helps for those who understand the ROM files and make it to work on XP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMufla Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Dear JeremyA, with regards to windows and wireless networks... Ran into a couple of issues today with my XP drivers: Wireless Woes: OSX connects just fine to my 128-bit WEP-enabled NETGEAR RangeMax WPN802 access point Windows lists all the nearby networks, but refuses to connect to mine, even when I provide the right WEP key. Windows *will* connect to my work's wifi, which has all kinds of nifty certificates attached to it. I'm starting to suspect that their certificate setup is fudging up my ability to connect to non-certified networks. However, this is mitigated by the fact that the certificates should only be valid when i'm logged into my work / domain account. In that mode, i cannot even come *close* to connecting to my home network (because the certificates fail to authenticate, it won't even prompt me for a WEP key... ever). So all the problems i'm having are when i'm logged in as the local system administrator, where it does ask me for my WEP key, but then times out on connecting to the network. I tried power cycling my wap just for grins, but that didn't change anything. Hrmrmrm.... Have you tried to make sure that the option "The key is provided automatically for me" in the "wireless networks" section of the "wireless connection properties", "advanced" is unchecked? Pheww... Windows is a bit of a mouthfull! Basically, if you haven't here are the steps in a more logical order: Go to the wireless network connection properties, Then in the wireless networks tab, Then select to add a network, In the next section provide your SSID, make sure you enter the proper encryption settings (open/shared/WPA/WEP etc.), Uncheck the option "The key is provided automatically for me" and now enter your WEP/WPA key. The key index should stay at 1... This should be "it"... quite simple for windows! Hehe... This is to show you once again how simple, easy and efficent we have it within OSX!! Hope it helps, J PS This is prob. not a problem when you're at work, because of those nifty certificates... probably contain the WEP key... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveM Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 I can confirm that trying to connect a PocketPC (Windows Mobile 5 Based) using Activesync will crash Windows. Microsoft reccomends an updated BIOS, ironically, since it doesn't match the processor I have installed. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effects Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Has anyone else noticed that the current drivers are hardcoded into the registry from the install disk. Also, when you boot into safe mode (with f5 key if you didn't know), the same driver is being used and again is hardcoded into the registry. No driver install is going to work while that coding is there. Maybe that is something else to look at. Effects Oops, just talking about the video drivers, not all drivers are hardcoded in registry, just video. Effects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastaman Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Has anyone else noticed that the current drivers are hardcoded into the registry from the install disk. Also, when you boot into safe mode (with f5 key if you didn't know), the same driver is being used and again is hardcoded into the registry. No driver install is going to work while that coding is there. Maybe that is something else to look at. Effects Oops, just talking about the video drivers, not all drivers are hardcoded in registry, just video. Effects Hi effectively i have seen this while merging the install files of XOM with the ones of WinXP Borg. I was wondering if we can modify this manually (regedit?) after having installing the drivers for the X1600. On the other hand i cannot test since i have broken my WinXP install on my MBP. It's strange i have successfully installed it one time and now i cannot re-install it (even if i take the long way, that is re-installing the 2 OSes after having reformatting the whole disk). OSX still works fine, ouf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr. pink Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 question: is winXP dependent on having a VGA card, or with proper drivers would it work with a UGA card + Driver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WandaLust Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 I think I may have cracked the video drivers, just trying to test. I have to go out now so anyone out there could test would help. Anyways heres how I did it.. 1) In Windows\System32\Drivers renamed XOMDD.sys to XOMDD_old.sys 2) In same directory renamed vga.sys to XOMDD.sys - this then uses the orignal XP vga driver. (Be careful to make sure it gets names to XOMDD.SYS and not XOMDD.SYS.SYS - better to use a command line to this) 3 ) Installed the Omega ATI drivers. Device manager is now showing the ATI drivers and not XOM drivers. Just installing 3d mark for testing. There ,may be better drivers to use so hopefully this opens the door to help us find a solution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwSimon Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 I've just done the same thing, but I'm not reaching the desktop after a reboot, just getting black lines at the top of the screen (20" iMac). Hope it goes ok for you! Update: the machine is working, it just seems unable to update the display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agone Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Same thing for me, i'm stuck. How do I fix it btw ? I can reboot in 640x480 via F4 F7 trick but i tried to uninstall the drivers and it didn't fix it... *my mistake, didn't recover the xomdd.sys file Now I'm booting OK with former config* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcx Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 WandaLust what system are you using ? seems to be failing for everyone else who has tried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastaman Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 I'm still trying to re-install XP Borg on my MacBook, but have you tried to disable the loading of the ROM after having installed the ATI drivers ? After having typed F4, you can type F6 to disable ROMs it seems. Perhaps this disable loading a emulation VGA rom (it has said "VGA.rom missing" last time i have tried [and hang]) ? Also from where come the list of keys allowed ? (F4, F6, F7) An exhaustive list exist ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClamXavMan Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 I've got a problem with audio on my CoreDuo Mini. The Sigmatel audio driver is installed but I'm getting no sound from either internal audio or 3.5mm headphone socket. I've not tried optical audio yet. XP has recognised the audio hardware and is letting me play with volume controls but I'm still not hearing anything. Here's my install procedure in case anyone who has theirs working can see where I might've slipped up. Partitioned my Mini's HD: 1st Partition = DOS, 2nd = HFS+ Booted using the separate xom.efi from an "onmac" thread (NOT the one in the original xom 0.1 archive) Installed windows and then replaced the xom.efi with the one from the archive. Installed airport driver, rebooted, installed intel integrated graphics driver, rebooted, installed intel chipset, rebooted, installed sigmatel sound driver, rebooted. If anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd be extremely grateful. Obviously gaming isn't my only reason for wanting to run windoze, but FWIW, Half-Life 2 runs a treat...it's just such a shame I can't hear anything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John the Geek Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 EVERYONE! Please ALWAYS post your specs when you say "it works" or "it doesn't work" because we have many different machines running different hardware. What works for the mini might not work for the MacBook. -John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClamXavMan Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Sorry if that was aimed at me, John. My specs are CoreDuo Mac Mini 1.66Ghz, 512MB, 80Gig @ 5,400rpm (partitioned 50:50 FAT/HFS+), airport, bluetooth, ethernet, superdrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuchdawg Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 if you are trying that....why don't you try the ATI mobility drivers...since they seem to recognise it correctly.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToXic_WaSTe Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 I think I may have cracked the video drivers, just trying to test. I have to go out now so anyone out there could test would help. Anyways heres how I did it.. 1) In Windows\System32\Drivers renamed XOMDD.sys to XOMDD_old.sys 2) In same directory renamed vga.sys to XOMDD.sys - this then uses the orignal XP vga driver. (Be careful to make sure it gets names to XOMDD.SYS and not XOMDD.SYS.SYS - better to use a command line to this) 3 ) Installed the Omega ATI drivers. Device manager is now showing the ATI drivers and not XOM drivers. Just installing 3d mark for testing. There ,may be better drivers to use so hopefully this opens the door to help us find a solution Yeah try the mobility driver. -- to everyone--- Try to explain why you think your solution works. Maybe someone figures it out faster because they were missing clues (and it helps the non programmers understand some of this ) The more we are the faster we can crack the driver problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John the Geek Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Sorry if that was aimed at me, John. No, just a general announcement. We really need to be detailed as possible, or we won't learn anything from each other. I hate the lack of Spell-Check in IE. I'm rebooting into the Mac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umpimpmymac Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 I think I may have cracked the video drivers, just trying to test. I have to go out now so anyone out there could test would help. Anyways heres how I did it.. 1) In Windows\System32\Drivers renamed XOMDD.sys to XOMDD_old.sys 2) In same directory renamed vga.sys to XOMDD.sys - this then uses the orignal XP vga driver. (Be careful to make sure it gets names to XOMDD.SYS and not XOMDD.SYS.SYS - better to use a command line to this) 3 ) Installed the Omega ATI drivers. Device manager is now showing the ATI drivers and not XOM drivers. Just installing 3d mark for testing. There ,may be better drivers to use so hopefully this opens the door to help us find a solution Does anybody else think this helps? Has anyone tried it on MBP and is there any improvement in video redrawing etc.? I would hate to try it and throw away a functioning install. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToXic_WaSTe Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Does anybody else think this helps? Has anyone tried it on MBP and is there any improvement in video redrawing etc.? I would hate to try it and throw away a functioning install. Read the posts just under it ________________________________________________________________________________ I've just done the same thing, but I'm not reaching the desktop after a reboot, just getting black lines at the top of the screen (20" iMac). Hope it goes ok for you! Update: the machine is working, it just seems unable to update the display. ________________________________________________________________________________ Same thing for me, i'm stuck. How do I fix it btw ? I can reboot in 640x480 via F4 F7 trick but i tried to uninstall the drivers and it didn't fix it... *my mistake, didn't recover the xomdd.sys file Now I'm booting OK with former config* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackcrayon Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 On my iMac, unlike my Macbook, I'm able to install the Radeon drivers with no difficulty (shows the driver and says it's working OK, even on a regular boot). But the system is still using the xom video driver as was stated earlier, it's "hard coded". I tried disabling the xom driver from Windows and the system boots but with no video (it's good to have speakers plugged in so you can hear windows sounds I'm getting basically the same thing by renaming the vga.sys or the ati driver to the xomdd.sys video driver. However just a side note, I think the shutdown problem really is related to the video, because I am able to fumble around in the dark and shut windows down, and the iMac shuts down properly.. While there is no video being displayed because of the above (So it makes sense that by joining the NT domain, if it's not displaying a particular graphic, then it doesn't "lock up"... Like maybe it's trying to change resolution at the last minute or something else incompatible with the xom video driver). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umpimpmymac Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Read the posts just under it ________________________________________________________________________________ I've just done the same thing, but I'm not reaching the desktop after a reboot, just getting black lines at the top of the screen (20" iMac). Hope it goes ok for you! Update: the machine is working, it just seems unable to update the display. ________________________________________________________________________________ Same thing for me, i'm stuck. How do I fix it btw ? I can reboot in 640x480 via F4 F7 trick but i tried to uninstall the drivers and it didn't fix it... *my mistake, didn't recover the xomdd.sys file Now I'm booting OK with former config* Please do not try this, it does not work. I tried it on my MBP and again it locked up with just a few dark lines showing at the top of the screen and could not log in back to safe mode. Luckily I started the MBP in disk target mode and hooked it up to the firewire on my vaio laptop and was able to undo the changes and recover my installation. It is now working well and back up but you can't modify the NFTS partition from a mac you have to use a PC. My 2 cents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agone Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Well I was lucky that time: i tried other drivers and in the end I messed the system. Install n°2 now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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