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[Quackit]

Forceman, on Feb 27 2008, 02:41 PM, said:

Look at my enormously large (yet somehow small) ego!

Zig HAIL!!

[vbetts]

To me, a PC is whatever you make it to be.

You make it to run Windows on it, okay, Windows computer.

Linux? It's a linux computer then.

Osx86? A Hackintosh then, or an osx86 computer.

You don't have to agree with me though, I'm just throwing my 2 cents.

[Forceman]

lol, just my opinion, if you put Windows on your PC that makes it a {censored} PC then, take it how you like.

[vbetts]

Forceman, on Feb 27 2008, 09:06 PM, said:

lol, just my opinion, if you put Windows on your PC that makes it a {censored} PC then, take it how you like.

There you go.

Though I'm personally satisfied with Windows.

[QuietOC]

vbetts, on Feb 27 2008, 04:23 PM, said:

Though I'm personally satisfied with Windows.

I like Vista, but I've had  trouble  installing it (some problem with having AMD Live! enabled.) My copy is a Vista Home Premium  OEM Upgrade which requires installing it twice (or installing XP first.) Once installed swapping Vista to different hardware has worked well--though calling Microsoft everytime for re-activation is annoying. With all the cheap memory, I do wish I had an x64 version of Vista--though Vista probably doesn't need more than 2GB, unlike OSX.

The basic Tiger install is faster and fairly easy--which is good since I've had to do it so many times. The lack of an activation scheme is a big positive for using OSX on any hardware.

[vbetts]

It's getting to the point on PCs, 3-4 gb of ram is becoming the standard. Slowly, you have to think of something though. Let's say you're running the real tiger on a real mac, then you're limited to running it on certain macs.(g4 and up) Let's say you've downloaded Osx86, well really installing it is easy, getting drivers/kexts right is annoying. Plus, you didn't buy the OS if it's osx86. Where as Windows, you've bought the Os and have a number of different hardware configurations where you can run it on.

AMD Live! is terrible though...=\ I'll say that.

[RouteZeroDesign]

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The problem is that many people view owning a Mac as a status elevator. Like owning Oakley sunglasses back in the 90's (and how "true" owners scoffed at all the people with the knockoffs) the cost of production was the same and the quality wasnt any different.

Yeah, this is actually the one thing that annoys me about some (not all) mac users, people who feel that by owning a mac, they are better than other people, i feel like saying.....for god sake its only a computer!! its doesnt change who you are, and besides you shouldnt look down on anybody for anything.
I guess thats just society though, people will always try and elevate themselves above others, whether they deserve to or not....Sh1t flows downhill and nobody likes getting shat on.

You get the same with any designer product though, some bmw drivers think they drive the best car in the world, some mac owners think they use a superior computer to others and some rolex owners think they are wearing solidified angel dust on their wrist. When infact they are all just products with a good brand name and a marketing budget to back it up.
Yes they may be good products, and yes they may be perfectly suited to you or your image but that doesnt mean everybody else should aspire to own one.

I bought my mac because im a designer(we use em allot) and a bit of an ocd perfectionist, this doesnt mean that osx is perfect but its perfect for me. And it certainly doesnt mean im going to look down on a windows user, there are more important things in life to worry about rather than inter-operating system rivallrys.

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RouteZeroDesign, on Feb 28 2008, 01:20 AM, said:

Yeah, this is actually the one thing that annoys me about some (not all) mac users, people who feel that by owning a mac, they are better than other people, i feel like saying.....for god sake its only a computer!! its doesnt change who you are, and besides you shouldnt look down on anybody for anything.
I guess thats just society though, people will always try and elevate themselves above others, whether they deserve to or not....Sh1t flows downhill and nobody likes getting shat on.

You get the same with any designer product though, some bmw drivers think they drive the best car in the world, some mac owners think they use a superior computer to others and some rolex owners think they are wearing solidified angel dust on their wrist. When infact they are all just products with a good brand name and a marketing budget to back it up.
Yes they may be good products, and yes they may be perfectly suited to you or your image but that doesnt mean everybody else should aspire to own one.

I bought my mac because im a designer(we use em allot) and a bit of an ocd perfectionist, this doesnt mean that osx is perfect but its perfect for me. And it certainly doesnt mean im going to look down on a windows user, there are more important things in life to worry about rather than inter-operating system rivallrys.

+1

i totally agree.

[Colonel]

QuietOC, on Feb 27 2008, 05:01 PM, said:

I do wish I had an x64 version of Vista--though Vista probably doesn't need more than 2GB, unlike OSX.

lol! Vice versa. OS X would be fine with 2GB of ram. Vista on the other hand... eek..

[Flowero4ka]

I think, of course. it's better to buy Maс original. Then you may run Windows on it legally. Another way doesn't exist for me!

[CLiDE FTW!!1]

vbetts, on Feb 27 2008, 04:00 PM, said:

To me, a PC is whatever you make it to be.

You make it to run Windows on it, okay, Windows computer.

Linux? It's a linux computer then.

Osx86? A Hackintosh then, or an osx86 computer.

You don't have to agree with me though, I'm just throwing my 2 cents.

This is the correct way of looking at it.

A computer is a PC.

There is the Macintosh Computer, The Windows Computer (which has several OEM's) and The Linux computer (FreeBSD also, etc)

They all essentially do the same thing. It's all about who puts together the better package, and who sucks the least (because every OS sucks).

For example: Sure, Apple makes the best laptops, but HP makes better TabletPC's (and Windows is a way better Tablet OS than OS X). Fanboys may cry: "BUT APPLE DOESN'T HAVE A TABLET PC   " -- and who's fault is that?

We all have different needs, and each OEM (Apple, Dell, HP, etc) all have a responsibility to fulfill those needs -- whether its features, budget, etc.

Now, looking at OSX86, it is showing that Apple can't fulfill the needs of the budget conscience computer users. For power users, the Mac Mini is simply not enough -- so they build a computer to their needs to run OS X/Windows/Linux.

My $0.02.


Also, Forceman, where do you get those dock indicators? Are they real?

[kinesin]

I was a Mac user before becoming a Hackintosh users, and love my Hackintosh for it's £ vs performance. I've had 2 low end Macbooks, an original 1.83 CS and then the upgraded base model 2.0GB C2D (after selling the 1.83 to my parents).
I do tend to swap between machines depending on what I'm playing with;
- the hackintosh is running the off an official Macbook HDD as I've upgrade the Macbook(s) so hasn't a load of space, but used for Web, garagesale, and itunes streaming.
- the Macbook is my primary machine, running my various Unix and Windows VM's + core apps, etc
I would hate to break the hack, but I enjoy the tweaking and finding out how OS X and hence how my Macbook works. It' helps me understand EFI, plus gives me exposure to OSX syncing (next plan is to build a dotmac server). Plus is great to buy a new machine, overclock it and learn again what hardware works well together.
If Apple made a headless machine that run with a decent graphics card, that didn't cost a fortune I would replace the hack, but for those times I want to play in WinXP I need the performance.
I don't like all in ones as they can't down graded to servers in the future, my hack will be.
Long live Hackintosh! I wouldn't have build you if I wasn't a OSX user


oh BIG WOW! I'm currently running my hackintosh without *ANY* HDD.  
Put it sleep last night. Opened the case, removed the drive and power it up. Confused me completely as I'm holding the OS X drive in my hand, but OSX is still on my screen  
Everything that was running is still running, aka terminal, finder, firefox, but browsering the HDD amazing isn't working
Try that on windows!

[thasp]

When apple bought emagic they fvcked a lot of PC users. I have two quad core PCs here that I built with quality components and they both cost less together than a mac pro tower.. I could give a CRAP LESS about having the lame looking keyboard and one button mouse and "sexy case" - I just don't want to spend more money when I have two perfectly good machines with the same general components a mac has to run a simple program. To buy a $2K machine that is the same as two other machines I have is ridiculous to me.

[aduffbrew]

For me, this is actually a loaded question.

Yes, the "deadmoo" image of OSX86 rekindled my interest in Mac.  As it came time to replace my PCs, I did so with Macs.  I didn't do it because of some anti-Microsoft, pro-black turtleneck zeal.  Having worked with both Windows and Linux long enough, I was intrigued by the "it just works" mentality.  I guess I worked through all my computer tinkering urges.

We could list all the pros and cons of Apple hardware but they would all be subjective.  The fact of the matter is Apple hardware subsidizes Apple Software.  The development of OS X is heavily dependent on the sale of the hardware.  In my opinion, the Hackintosh phenomenon has probably done as much in way of advertising as the clever "I'm a Mac!" ads.  However, there is a point of diminished returns.

I'm not some industry analyst.  I really don't know what the future holds.  Pervasive piracy is having an impact and to think The Digital Age really hasn't even hit its stride yet.  This should prove interesting.

[DJ Loe Kee]

syruppie, on Feb 11 2008, 12:00 PM, said:

Wow.. I got into a heated debate with my buddy last night.

It all started out with me complementing how beautiful the new mac keyboard is from this picture of someone using it with his "PC".

to his statement of hackintoshes are "ghetto"..

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Is this really how Mac users feel?  I was going to install MAC OSX on my pc for fun..  but am I supposed to feel ashamed of it?  

But it's also true I can't afford a mac because I can't justifying spending 2,800 bucks for the same gear I can get for 1,500.  So any comments on this are definitely welcome.

those quotes are perfect examples of ppl thinkin' that they are better than other ppl 'cause they can afford to waste, i mean spend money on macs.  i would have told him to put his money where his mouth is and BUY ME A MAC.  until then, i will do with my money what i want to do even if that includes buildin' a hackintosh.
^this is my opinion so don't flame me for it.  i may not even visit this thread again and respond to flames anyways...

fyi, imho, most ppl are just jealous that they cannot build their own hackintosh.  i've built my own pc, does this make my pc less of a pc than a hp or a dell???

who cares what they think on macrumours, just tell them to come to your house and say it to your face.  ok, don't do this, some ppl might call you on my bluff that i say all the time (another one of my "opinions").

capt_cope, on Feb 12 2008, 01:57 PM, said:

The guy is an idiot. All offense meant there. Tell him to take a look at newegg.com or tigerdirect.com. Then guide him to the various components in a mac, point out that you can build a faster mac than apple can, and for far less than apple charges. Without the PPC to hide behind, the truth is pretty obvious to anyone willing to look: Apple gouges the hell out of their hardware buyers.

His attitude is that of the guy who just bought a Viper for $80,000 talking down on the guy who just built a Cobra kit car for $30,000. The kit car cost less and is faster in all respects.

so true, i'm into imports and i can point to supras and rx-7's in many magazines that can own the viper.  but they probably have $40,000-$80,000 in upgrades in their car.

RouteZeroDesign, on Feb 27 2008, 12:15 PM, said:

Flower- a hackintosh is a pc running mac osx.

Personally i think its a good idea, its more users on the platform and its a good stepping stone into full on mac hardware.

The reason i am building a hackintosh is because, if i go and buy a macpro, 3 months down the road it could be obsolete....thats it game over.

But with a hackintosh, if a new processor comes out or a new motherboard is available, i dont have to trade in my system and buy a new one, i can just upgrade my old one.

Also, as a designer, if you give me two options, (forgetting about price) build or buy something, i will generally choose build everytime.

that is the main reason that keeps me from savin' for a mac pro for music production (besides the price).  i can build my own pc so i would rather buy a new mb and processor from apple when it comes time to upgrade my mac pro...  but steve jobs wants me to buy a new mac pro and not upgrade it.  yea, i can upgrade some things on a mac pro but i seriously doubt that apple would sell me a new mb if i have happen to have an outdated mac pro.

[ej25power]

I've been a Mac user for over a decade and I just finished my Hackintosh last week.

My most recent Mac was terribly outdated (Dual 450MHz G4), even though it was upgraded to the max.  I stumbled across OSx86 pretty randomly and I decided to build my own Mac   

I LOVE the idea of Hackintoshes.  It would have cost me well over twice as much to get the base Mac Pro comparably equipped.

The expandability of my PC components isn't a bad deal either

[braveskunk]

hi, you all say that mac are overpriced, but look from this way, evey mac is specially designed. only one company responsible for design, intel has to do special motherboards for mac, which for that apple has to pay extra, these mobos arent the same as in ordinary pc. then have ecc full buffered memory which is much more higher priced than you have in your pc(and me as well). the thing is when u buy mac, you'll get really well built pc, maybe not as fast as i, or u would build for the same price, but its a compromise between stability and speed. and the thing is, when u buy a mac and something goes wrong, u just go to apple store or call them. thats what u pay for, support, dedicated hardware, look'n'feel and speed and all the things, that makes mac best(if they're not, stick with windws/linux)
i cannot afford a real mac now, just don't have that much money, so i built hack, but still, someday i will buy it, cos i just like the os works, and i personally think it is 100 years before windows in terms of gui, stability, security and speed, but once again, thats my private opinion, u may agree with that or not:)

[ilikelmo25]

Sort of offtopic but,

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personally if   u can't afford it u shouldn't try to "build" a half assed one u know

But I thought hackintoshes used their whole asses.

But back on topic, I don't think Macs are overpriced. My school paid around $2000 for each new computer that they bought. If they all just bought 20" iMacs to replace them, they could have saved at least $300 on each computer saving around $3600 on the year 6 section alone.

Besides, the way I see it, you shouldn't just look at the price and think, "Wow that's expensive. I don't want it". You should see how much you get in a Mac for each dollar you spend and when you look at it that way, you may see differently. Especially since Apple bundles all the drivers and software with their Macs.

[39thRonin]

syruppie, on Feb 11 2008, 01:00 PM, said:

Wow.. I got into a heated debate with my buddy last night.

It all started out with me complementing how beautiful the new mac keyboard is from this picture of someone using it with his "PC".

to his statement of hackintoshes are "ghetto"..

Wow!  Some "Buddy".  Here's the deal...  I have been a Mac users for some time - though my day job is beating Unix boxes into submission.  I got interested in Hackintoshes in the beginning - these were DeadMoo days - and played around converting an old Dell 8400 I had lying around gathering dust.  As you can see by my sig - it's still going strong.  Not a bad box at all.  I NEVER have a crash (it used to crash all the time with XP), it's plenty fast enough to do almost anything (don't try converting video though!), and it isn't gathering dust anymore.

My main machine is a full-blown Mac Pro.  It's a great box - the best computer I've ever owned.  It cost a great deal of money - even though I did the 3rd party memory and disk thing.  I expect to have this box for many years before it's too far gone to do any good.  Having said that, I don't think I'll ever get rid of my Hackintosh either.  It is a technical challenge to setup and maintain, but it is FUN to run MacOS on a Dell!

[CTRL+ALT+DEL]

i've been a mac user for 5 years. i'm not completely obsessed nor do i think mac is the golden way. but i will never use a pc again unless i have no choice. i completely support people using osx on pc's. i would build one myself but, i really need to spend less time tweaking my comp and more time using it. and i'm a heavy user who is ramping up to use all the components of fcs2, ls8, and cs3. right now i can't run everythng in fcs2. so i'm really more focused on getting really dependable hi end performance. but for you that aren't running your business on your computer i salute you. maybe when i can build a compatible top of the line hackintosh and it benches the same as a real mac without any hassle....