10.5.2 Not Out Yet, But it Fixes 130+ Bugs

leopard was not unfinished !!!

not perfect, but not unfinished.

it's a catch22 , lot's of companies, don't push forward, to integrate, or even admit any problems,

because it's not available, there might be one view who actuall do work with the prerelease,

but coorporate side, is, most have no access, especially , since it's not released yet,....catch22,

so most of those bugs in leopard, are third party software related,... others, are hardware fixes,

do more extensive testing,...and fixing new stuff,...

one more, better support for new hardware, aka penryn processor, what has various size cache,

and couple more power saving features.

one thing, I've been waiting for , not seen any change

- graphics, aka quicktime, is useing cpu only for playback, where in windows it gets support,

as such, the cpu runs tilt, hotter, runs down battery, ....

- graphics, new radeons, and nvidia, have power saving features, to turn of vector units, not in use,

especially in notebooks, welcome, on dektops, still run full tilt,....powered

- NTFS file support, it's fundamental, since it's so prevalent, does not integrate well, if not available,

and I mean , read write,

- EXT3 linux file support, linux is huge, compared to mac osx,

- ZFS support,.....

now if mac osx leopard, can have access to the vast majority of filesystems, it will make great strides at that point,

until then, it will take another generation, to break the 0.5% mark

^^ ditto on that, Cyman. 130+ bugs is a lot. Personally, I just hope they get Safari's DOM engine to run better. As of now, stuff like google maps, gmail, etc. are pretty crippled (hope that's not just me though). Oh, and I guess the new graphics updates will be nice too

 

Also, I can't help but notice that everyone commenting in this thread is an Intel user. Are you guys expecting little-to-no patching when the update drops? I don't think us AMD users are going to be so lucky, even with Marvin's utility and EFI Anyone care to comment?

The patching? If the final update is really that big, there's going to be issues unless one is running stock kernel and EFI. It's not just the AMD users that'll have issues--it's everyone who's running any patched kernel (including the SSE2-only systems and those of us who can't run Leo with EFI).

DVD-RAM support,....

forgot that one,... such an great idea, such a horrible mess,....

one thing , apple was good, to implement postscript, pritty clean,

where others, even today, can't read the specs,....

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Actually, 9C23(or whatever the previous seed was) didn't have any known bugs. Nor does this one.

9C23 does in fact have bugs hence the release of 9C27. Just because they're not obvious doesn't mean they aren't there nor significant enough for Apple to immediately address.

It's not as if Apple are simply releasing new builds for the fun of it.

The amount of bugs in Leopard are disappointing, really. I know of many people with legit Intel macs, who are having all kinds of issues with Leopard. For Intel and G5 Macs, Leopard is definitely an improvement over Tiger. I just feel that more of these should have been taken care of before the GM/RTM release of Leopard. Still, at least they are fixing this many bugs. Post 10.5.2 Leopard will be the best and most stable OS X yet (hopefully )

10.5.2 update will fix many of the issues in Leopard and hopefully will become even more reliable than ever!

I haven't had any real problems with leopard stability so far.

Stacks is annoying... and so are the gross aqua elements poorly transfered into the new UI. But there is no way they will fix that....

I wonder if it'll fix the 10 second timeframe I wait everytime I turn off my computer. The fan still stays on and I have to wait or else goes into perma-sleep and I have to manually power off. There's even some times when the fan just stays on. Like it's just chilling on even after I get out the shower, which is about 20mins afterward.

I wish I have those bugs on XP or Vista, I would spend less time fixing things.

The patching? If the final update is really that big, there's going to be issues unless one is running stock kernel and EFI. It's not just the AMD users that'll have issues--it's everyone who's running any patched kernel (including the SSE2-only systems and those of us who can't run Leo with EFI).

Yeah, sorry. When I said that, I was thinking about Intel users that are running EFI/Vanilla kernel versus everyone else (not just AMD users). Thanks for clearing that up. Still it seems I remember reading in the other 10.5.2 news thread that Stellarolla (or someone else?) was having issues with his vanilla kernel and the dev seeds. He still had to patch something...I think? Maybe I read that wrong. Too lazy to look up that post now But man, that would be nice if EFI/vanilla systems are able to run the update straight up! Now is the time I wish I had an Intel hackintosh. Maybe I'll be able to scrape together the cash for one before 10.5.2 comes out. Looks like I've got some time

I think it's good that 10.5.2 will fix so many issues, but still I think that shows clearly that Leopard wasn't a finished/final product when it was released - I guess Apple just released it earlier because they set themselves under pressure with the release date (end of October 2007).

I guess the competition between the two (read MS and Apple) resulted in both releasing an incomplete OS... Vista with SP1 applied to it is a complete other OS... Maybe the same wil apply to 10.5.2 as well? Although 10.5 is not running too bad on my system...

I guess the competition between the two (read MS and Apple) resulted in both releasing an incomplete OS... Vista with SP1 applied to it is a complete other OS... Maybe the same wil apply to 10.5.2 as well? Although 10.5 is not running too bad on my system...

Yeah, let's better don't even mention Vista, although MS tries hard to force users to migrate to it, I think it could have the same fate as Windows ME back in the days! I mean, XP still seems to be superior to Vista in terms of speed and reliability (driver support etc.), so if MS can't fix this and other things, I think Vista won't ever be a big success. Most of the sold copies are sold as OEM with new computers - well so does Leopard, too you may say, but I think if the conscious user had a choice he would pick XP - look at Dell, offering more PC's with optional XP again.

Oh, about running Leopard on my MBP I have to say it doesn't run bad, but a few days ago I had a number of Kernel Panics (six or seven times within two days) which I never had experienced in such a quantity with Tiger - I still couldn't figure out what was the cause. Other than that the only hassle was the installation, but this was more related to booting issues.

Quit freaking out over the 1.2GB number guys, it's probably just swap space. Vista SP1 "requires" several GB to install, but most of that is swap space, and you only lose a couple hundred MB when the install is done and temp files deleted.

I can't wait for them to fix stacks!

Anyone with developer builds, how does it play with EFI/Vanilla?

Just keep in mind, that seeds are usually a lot bigger than the actual final release. This is because it contains a lot of debugging code (mostly 70 or 80 per cent) and the seeds normally aren't optimized. So 1.2 GB may sound big, which it is, but the final release will probably be a lot smaller.

Given the fact we've seen the latest seed Thursday last week, I assume Apple will be ready for release this week, earliest Tuesday.

Or they must be very dedicated to it, and decide to delay it another week so they can fix even more bugs. We'll see.

Other than bug fixes, we can expect List View in Stacks...

Phuck Stacks.

well 10.5.2 might be released sometime this week. makes sense too, considering vista sp1 with be available to the public tomorrow.

Yeah, let's better don't even mention Vista, although MS tries hard to force users to migrate to it, I think it could have the same fate as Windows ME back in the days!

hahaha! I've never used Vista, but it sounds pretty bad from what everyone says about it. I think comparing it to Windows ME is a pretty low blow though, hahaha. But I did entertain the idea:

Windows ME - Released September 2000

Windows XP - Released October 2001 (13 months after ME)

...then...

Windows Vista - Released January 2007

Well, it's 13 months after the release of Vista...so it looks like MS should be releasing another OS very soon! Actually, to be fair, do you guys remember how major SP2 for Windows XP was? So if you think about it that way, I guess Vista SP1 and Leopard 10.5.2 don't seem like such a big deal after all

looks like MS should be releasing another OS very soon!

if your talking to windows 7 that won't be released until 2011, the 2009 date was just a rumor.

i also assume vista sp1 and leopard 10.5.2 will be shipped around the same time this week.

I've never used Vista, but it sounds pretty bad from what everyone says about it. I think comparing it to Windows ME is a pretty low blow though, hahaha.

if your talking to windows 7 that won't be released until 2011, the 2009 date was just a rumor.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1136

Comparing Vista to Me ? People are telling {censored}. Vista ISN'T a failure. Me was.

Lots of end-user, "home users", will use Vista rather than XP. It's just some kind of fashion to say "let's use XP, Vista sucks"....

IMO Vista is better than XP, at least if you have a GOOD PC. People telling otherwise clearly didn't EVEN install it.

i was joking when i said MS should be releasing a new OS soon. lighten up guys! let's laugh a little!

like these guys ---> :D

I originally started using vista just for dx10 with my games, but my desktop is so nice(not to brag) that I can still max out any game except Crysis(and alt+tab just fine, too).

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Ah {censored}, my Vista install will be broken with SP1. Gotta find another workaround....

Still not a single leak of the 10.5.2 update? I'm really hoping that someone leaks it soon (I guess build 9C27 is the latest, although I heard some rumors about a 9C29 build as being final), as Apple's release is anyone's guess--it could be the end of this week, it could be the end of next month.

As for Vista, it is really quite nice for a Microsoft OS. I think the reason that most people {censored} and whine about it is the fact that it: (1) requires really powerful hardware to run (2GB of RAM is a necessity; their POS eMachines running XP Home with 512MB just isn't going to cut it) and (2) it is not intuitive for the novice user (it ships with all of the useful features pre-disabled and all of the useless and/or annoying {censored}--like the UAC thing--enabled) and requires a lot of tweaking to become enjoyable.