bofors Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 (edited) I am primarily concerned with the hardware forum. Here are the subforums I want: (1) Apple Hardware (2) CPUs and Motherboards (3) System Firmware: EFI and BIOS (includes using EFI to boot Windows, OS X and Linux, and also using BIOS hardware to boot EFI OS X 10.4.4+) (4) Laptops (5) Graphics Cards and Drivers (6) Network Cards and Drivers (7) Audio Cards and Drivers (8) Printers and Drivers (9) Input Devices and Drivers (Mice, Keyboards, Joysticks, etc..) (10) Other Devices and Drivers Edited January 22, 2006 by bofors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velvet Nightmare Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I think that keeping it as it is, is, well, a good idea. I think that a new section of the site for Intel Core should be made so that we can discuss EFI bypassing so that we can work on getting Windows (Vista or XP, [myself being a Vista user, I want to make sure that I can get Vista on my Macbook Pro) running on the new boxes. Just a though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swad Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Holy {censored} bofors, that's a ton of sub forums!!! Can you lump them into maybe 2-3 categories? Also, what forums would you put those under? Just "Hardware" or would there be any computer specific versions too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 (edited) I agree with Bond that, inevitably, there will come a point after 10.4.4 is hacked that both Apple and beige-box users will require a lot of things that overlap, especially when talking about drivers. There will be, however, times when both sides will have different needs, such as the beige-box users actively pursuing a crack for the next update of Tiger x86. When Leopard gets released in about 10 months, the split should be even greater. I say don't make a whole new board, but instead create one forum for OS X hacks for beige-box PCs. Something that strictly deals with TPM cracks and whatnot, only because those are definitively topics that would never concern somebody with an official Apple computer. I am definitely on the overlap side. An EFI subforum would cover both booting Windows on Apple hardware and vice versa (booting 10.4.4 on PC's). Otherwise, I do not see the "the split should be even greater", but rather the opposite, more convergence. If we need to produce some of our firmware for booting Windows on EFI Macs, we will also use it on PCs too. These machine will increasing be similiar. Furthermore, I expect licensed OS X clones from Dell within three years and in the meantime fully compatible hardware clones like the Core Duo laptops being offered already by Dell and Acer: http://ces.engadget.com/2006/01/07/dell-jo...-inspiron-9400/ http://laptops.engadget.com/2006/01/07/ace...uo-aspire-5670/ Edited January 22, 2006 by bofors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ced1610 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 split !!!!!!! macintel pbs interest us, we can resolve more pbs than if we are alone... the love for osx86 isn't loocking for each other,but all seeing in the same direction... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 (edited) Holy {censored} bofors, that's a ton of sub forums!!! Yes and we have a ton of different issues to address. If someone what to buy an Audio card and need to know what is support, one should have not have to sort through papes of Graphics card issues. It is simply a matter of organization. We want this site made easy to use (just like a Mac!), people working on problems here or looking for information should not have to deal with cluttered mess. You anticipated that this site will continue to grow quickly too! Once Windows in booting on the Core Duo Macs, another tidal wave of new users will hit. Can you lump them into maybe 2-3 categories? Sure but I do not think that is what we want here. For people working on this issues, we want specifc subforum. I mean, I could even break down those above even further: AMD and Intel. NVidia and ATI. EFI and BIOS, further broken down into booting Windows and OS X. And we might actualy might want to seriously consider these as well later... Also, what forums would you put those under? Just "Hardware" Yes, booting now explictly implies EFI and BIOS issues, so this is all under "Hardware." or would there be any computer specific versions too? Maybe the Apple forum could have iMac and MacBook Pro subforums? But no, they should stop there. Booting Windows on a Core Duo Mac would be handled in the EFI forum. Edited January 22, 2006 by bofors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swad Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Well, sub forums are tricky, because there are some things that deserve their own area but others that are better left to general forums. It would, for example, be unnecessary to have a "Panther" sub forum when an OS X forum would do just fine. Also, the more forums you add, the harder it is for new people (and older people, not to mention those who don't speak english very well) to figure out which forum their stuff goes in. Those are the dangers of subs as I see them, for whatever it's worth. Specificity can be good, but it also introduces a lot of complexity. But thanks for the suggestions. Also, we're planning on putting in place a special dual booting forum which may fix some of the issues you've just mentioned. Now, back to the topic of doing the splits... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackintosh Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 two forums is best end one for laptops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazondani Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 The best idea for me, is to have one forum like OS X with two sub forums inside it. And like forcer suggested, two board's Apple Hardware Non Apple Hardware. Inside Non Apple Hardware, we would do the same we do today, and in Apple Hardware, we would discuss about, windows integrations, drivers for normal pc pieces, unibin software and tune tips. What do you ppl think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powrslave Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 (edited) OSx86 Official -HW -Support OSx86 Non Official -HW -intel -amd -Support Discussion General -10.4.1 -10.4.3 -10.4.4 -VMware -Drivers -intel based -amd based etc Edited January 23, 2006 by powrslave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domino Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 It was inevitable that this would wreak havoc sooner or later. It's manageable now, but sooner or later it's gonna catch up to the ones trying to mod the threads and forums. I always see the same questions posted over and over again. I don't blame them because running a search on unspecific words can get you over 500 hits. If your IPB license allows it, i think you should make 2 sub domains and 2 different IPB installs. I think there is a hack that will use the same member table on both installations, thus eliminating a member to register twice. For the site's root directory, I think it should be a gateway to 2 or 3 sub domains or domains. One for Apple OEM, the other for hacked Tiger, and the last for either the wiki or the that FAQ site mash pointed me to one day. If there is a license restriction, I seam to recall multi-site IPB hack that you can use. This means you can have more then one forum on the same install using the same database. This will cut down on db bandwidth. Saying all that, I'm for splitting the OEM and the hacked Tiger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Bond Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Agreed Takuro... And Powerslave, why bother introducing subforums for each individual build? It seems rather redundant to me, especially since 10.4.1 is pretty ancient now. It's like expanding the Vista sub-forum to look at Windows 2000, Windows 95 etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnniecarcinogen Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 (edited) agree with bond and takuro. Once the EFI problem is solved the solution is archived and a thread is no longer needed let alone an entire subforum. Same for a focus on a particular builds TPM circumvention. I think a subforum for Apple hardware with intel is needed for adding third party hardware, software, etc. I also think that the site has redundant subforums that are not user friendly like: -Thunderdome and the "Apple Opinions and Discussion" -Betas and Mac developement should be a part of "software" or "applications" -"mods and overclocking" should be "hardware" related -the *nix section should actually be about server related topics (OSX,unix, and linux...) Perhaps making "the genius bar" more prominent and allowing questions there will cut down on the hapazard posts by people asking questions in all of the other subforums. Edited January 23, 2006 by johnniecarcinogen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBMarcos Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 The idea of only exposing your thoughts, experience, etcetera, about running the Mac OS in non Mac computers is the one I prefer. Real Mac users have plenty of forums already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swad Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 agree with bond and takuro. Once the EFI problem is solved the solution is archived and a thread is no longer needed let alone an entire subforum. Same for a focus on a particular builds TPM circumvention. I think a subforum for Apple hardware with intel is needed for adding third party hardware, software, etc. I also think that the site has redundant subforums that are not user friendly like: -Thunderdome and the "Apple Opinions and Discussion" -Betas and Mac developement should be a part of "software" or "applications" -"mods and overclocking" should be "hardware" related -the *nix section should actually be about server related topics (OSX,unix, and linux...) Perhaps making "the genius bar" more prominent and allowing questions there will cut down on the hapazard posts by people asking questions in all of the other subforums. Well, thunderdome is just for random stuff that may or may not be apple related. I agree that the development forum should be condensed, perhaps into a single "Mac Development" forum with subs. Mods has its own category because at some point I'd love for it to gain popularity on its own. The unix forum idea is an interesting one - what if we combined them into *nix and Servers? That's kind of all encompassing. I started a new thread for discussion about all other restructuring ideas, so be sure to let us know what you think there too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Gosh Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I think it shoul be split into MacOS X Intel - Offical and MacOS X86 - Unofficial because many "Offical Mac Users" will come here because our intel knowledge is very important forthem. They woln`t find answers in their old mac Forums! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swad Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Will a visitor to our forums immediately understand what OS X Intel "Official" means? Or Homebrew or any of the other things we've talked about? That's what I'm having a hard time with at this point - what do you call these new forums? Edit: What about this setup: Option 1 OS X on Apple Computers - TwinMac (Multibooting Windows, *nix) OS X on PCs - Installation - Patches OR Option 2 The Mac Forum - OS X - Hardware - TwinMac (Multibooting Windows, *nix) The PC Forum - OS X - Hardware Should hardware be its own category since there isn't much difference any more, or should it be folded into the two computer types? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John the Geek Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I think the distinction has to be between Apple hardware and Other PC hardware. Since the OS will eventually be one in the same. No PC user is going to sit on 10.4.3 forever, and every release from 10.4.4 up will come from a genuine EFI Intel Mac. So hardware is where to split it. =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Bond Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I think Option 1 looks good Mash....as long as there's still a Hardware sub catering to both groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swad Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 So, 1 vote for separate hardware forums. (I'm a little confused on where Mr. Bond stands) I see some problems with this, mostly because I think it's two forums that you may need to check for the same thing. Plus, anytime there are two identical forums in different places on the site, it makes it confusing for n00bs. Will there really be THAT much different discussion on hardware? At this point I'm leaning toward a modified option 2: * The Mac Forum - OS X - TwinMac (Multibooting Windows, *nix) * The PC Forum - OS X Installation - Patches and Files * Hardware Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Bond Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Sorry Mash....didn't quite explain myself properly... I meant that the Hardware forums should be rolled into one for both because of the similarities between the two, so essentially like what you have above me, but with a Hardware sub somewhere else that caters to both sections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swad Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 See this post for what I've come up with with rearranging! http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?s=...indpost&p=47475 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axept Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 well. in my opinion that's not right and it reveals who really owns and pays for this forum. Real Mac owners should have a different forum! Provided by Steve Jobs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swad Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 axept, can you explain your comment a little more? No one is paying for this forum (except Google adsense), and... uh... I guess you could say I own it and I haven't sold out to anyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axept Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Well in my opinion this still online because ' they' are learning with people like Maxxuss and Jas.So if you can not beat them ,join'em! But what counts to this pool it s just yes or no,so: NO My apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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