stryder Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Is it just me, or are the forums becoming too hard to navigate? Every post I go through is difficult to discern whether it applies to OS X running on home-built x86 boxes or the new real Apple boxes. Is there any way that the forums can be divided up, so that questions, posts, etc., that apply to that platform stay within that forum? Just a suggestion, or am I alone in this opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swad Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Good question - what does everyone think? The way it's set up is that "OS X" is for general OS X talk while "OSx86 Installation" is for OSx86 specific. Keep in mind, though, that in a few months the versions will be the same, just running on different boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyris ng Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Good question - what does everyone think? The way it's set up is that "OS X" is for general OS X talk while "OSx86 Installation" is for OSx86 specific. Keep in mind, though, that in a few months the versions will be the same, just running on different boxes. How about OS X on Dull Little Boxes <= PC OS X on Macs <= Apple branded PCs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U.C. Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 i don know,maybe,needs more thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouch Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Seems like a logical move - most of the discussion for real macs will be about getting windows to play nice with efi, and most of the dull little box owners will be trying to get 10.4 to ignore EFI :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swad Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Good points. This is a pretty big move, so we'll need a lot of input on this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technobob Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 I do agree a split would be a good thing, especially with dual boot. As time goes on and more people get the new Intel Mac's having a separate area for discussion would be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouch Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Good points. This is a pretty big move, so we'll need a lot of input on this one! Just set up two new forums and get people to use them. Then only move existing posts as need be - i.e the very active ones from the old forum to the two new ones. Then you could just lock the old forum and keep it as a reference. I don't think theres anyneed to go through all the current topics and move them - unless you were extremely bored of an evening... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Blonde Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Split it in to two parts: OS X OS X86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johan Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 i think that a splitup is not the way to go this forum started as a forum on how to get osx working on a pc owners of a real mac can use all the other forums available, there a plenty so just keep things as they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 How about just a simple visual change, like beige apples for beige box threads, & blue apples for white box threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swad Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 BTW, if you decide that's what you want, any "splitting up" would just mean having two forums within the larger, OSx86 Project, forum. So it wouldn't mean making a whole new site. Just in case there was some confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryder Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 BTW, if you decide that's what you want, any "splitting up" would just mean having two forums within the larger, OSx86 Project, forum. So it wouldn't mean making a whole new site. Just in case there was some confusion. I agree. If it's possible, just start another forum for the real Macs, and keep this one for the hackintoshes. That's my $0.02 CDN ($0.0172 US) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callysto Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 (edited) I think the inclusion of a new forum for Intel Macs should suffice while leaving the other forums as they are there will still be many users who have problems with PC installs etc. and as it's been mentioned this is what OSX86project was set up for, otherwise it may make some users feel like they are out of the loop Edited January 22, 2006 by Callysto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xSuRgEx Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 the forums could do with being split across the 2 platforms. it would make it easyer for members to find the info they require for the platform they are use. would be still include 10.4.4 (hacked) in the current forums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbz Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 i don't think that splitting the forums is a good idea. I have had no trouble identifying posts about real apple computers and our whitebox pcs, and the only hacking is temporary, until we get our hands on 10.4.4. once it'll all been hacked, sure drivers and tools will continue to be developed, but that does not interfere with people who went out and bought an intel mac. keep it the way it is now, because very soon the platforms will be unified completely: and someone hacking osx86 for whitbox pcs may need to know things from a person with a new imac. So for the sake of simplicity, keep things as they currently are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Bond Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 (edited) Those all seem like logical ideas... IMO, I think the focus of the site should still stay on OSX running on x86 beige boxes. Chances are, people running OSX on their Apple branded x86's shouldn't really have any of the major hardware/software problems that beige users do. Like Takuro said, most people with Apple branded PC's will be trying to get windows to act all happy with EFI. But I'm sure there will eventually be overlap, when people start trying to upgrade Apple hardware with standard PC hardware. Where will they go when they want to get generic graphic cards and other things working in their Macintel? They'll go to the beige box forum, and boundaries will start to get blurred again. I say keep the forums the way they are, but add an extra sub to deal specifically with Apple Macintels. I did like Hagar's idea though of designating the type of PC with either a blue Apple or a Beige Apple. How hard would that be to integrate into the forums? Edited January 22, 2006 by MrBond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crac Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Those all seem like logical ideas... IMO, I think the focus of the site should still stay on OSX running on x86 beige boxes. Chances are, people running OSX on their Apple branded x86's shouldn't really have any of the major hardware/software problems that beige users do. Like Takuro said, most people with Apple branded PC's will be trying to get windows to act all happy with EFI. But I'm sure there will eventually be overlap, when people start trying to upgrade Apple hardware with standard PC hardware. Where will they go when they want to get generic graphic cards and other things working in their Macintel? They'll go to the beige box forum, and boundaries will start to get blurred again. I say keep the forums the way they are, but add an extra sub to deal specifically with Apple Macintels. I did like Hagar's idea though of designating the type of PC with either a blue Apple or a Beige Apple. How hard would that be to integrate into the forums? Why not just start a new subforum for osx86 Homebrew, and osx86 Apple ? the only danger is that cross-posting could occur... perhaps a subforum for EFI related posts, as I think the key to that puzzle is more in the TPM than in the EFI... Apple reports to be following Intel standards in this, or they haven't provided ANY documentation as to how this works. What concerns me greatly is the time between properly documenting this 'feature' of the equipment I purchased, and who exactly is privy to the TPM information? Let's hear it for OPEN standards based computing that Apple was claiming to be such a proponent of. If this is a protectionist move on Apple's part to prevent dilution of their hardware business, I think it's a bit misguided. <offtopicrant> They can either provide full documentation or wait for the hacker that's pissed off enough to break out the logic probes and out what's going on in that module. Transparency is KEY for this type of secure computing operation. It can't be some smoke and mirrors, uh wait for the documentation while we stealth mode all of your data from you... you turned it on remember? that means you agree to our terms and conditions... blech corporate. </offtopicrant> more forums are good imho. S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brockpetrie Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 more forums are good imho. i agree. i dont see how it could hurt anything- it could only help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darktear Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I think splitting is an good idèa Maby this (as in what we have now) should be locked down, still searchable. And just start two fresh new boards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swad Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 (edited) Ok, more people seem to be for a split than aren't. Don't let that deter you if you disagree with them and want to say so (please do!), but this is a question for those who think we should add a new sub. How would you organize the use of a new forum? Would you have two separate sections, each with Hardware, etc? Or would you have one forum like OS X with two sub forums inside it? Edited January 22, 2006 by Mashugly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KublaKhan Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Split it up. It is much easier to find what you are looking for if it's split up with what hardware you have... if that makes any sense. So: OSX x86 Apple OSX x86 PC or, Apple OSx86 Non-Apple Hardware OSx86 Hmmm, the names are going to be hard... KublaKhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcer Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 split: Apple Hardware (discuss about Apple hardware based on intel) Non Apple Hardware (discuss about posibilities running MacOSX on your standard x86 PCs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyris ng Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I agree with Bond that, inevitably, there will come a point after 10.4.4 is hacked that both Apple and beige-box users will require a lot of things that overlap, especially when talking about drivers. There will be, however, times when both sides will have different needs, such as the beige-box users actively pursuing a crack for the next update of Tiger x86. When Leopard gets released in about 10 months, the split should be even greater. I say don't make a whole new board, but instead create one forum for OS X hacks for beige-box PCs. Something that strictly deals with TPM cracks and whatnot, only because those are definitively topics that would never concern somebody with an official Apple computer. OS X for Macs OS X for Dull Little Boxes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henbjo Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Have to agree with Takuro. This solution seems to be the most logical split. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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