haydio Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Me = No Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
user2 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Me = No In what sense? I belive he was a person who had good intentions but I do not believe he was the son of God. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-248370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Do you believe in Santa Claus? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-248384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
munky Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 I think there probably WAS a Jesus, and that he was a philosopher or spiritual leader in the Gandhi sense. I do not beleive in God, therefore I cannot beleive Jesus was His son. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-248386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickoes Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Do you believe in Santa Claus? Santa Claus and Jesus are both the same. Believe in something that you cannot see. No, I don't - and my life is great. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-248448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSkywalker Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 I do believe Jesus was one of God's prophets, but I don't believe he is the son of God. Santa Claus is an exaggerated figure of Saint Nicholas, who lived in south Anatolia in the 4th century Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-248635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
haydio Posted December 5, 2006 Author Share Posted December 5, 2006 In what sense? Well i goto a religious school, I don't want to but I'm made by my parents. I just find it ridiculas that people believe in a greater person and they have little proof they even existed Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-248754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbz Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 I think there probably WAS a Jesus, and that he was a philosopher or spiritual leader in the Gandhi sense. I do not beleive in God, therefore I cannot beleive Jesus was His son. Ditto. So I voted "yes". Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-248786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
consolation Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 Some Roman legionnaire got his leg over with a Jewish wench, and now, 2000 years later we have to go out and spend lots of money once a year. WTF? We are so screwed as a species.... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-248939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbot1000 Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 Not only am I gonna say no, but Hell No!!! I believe he was a real person and that he had good intentions, but had nothing to do with god (or lack thereof). Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-249029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 I believe that he was a real person and was also the son of God. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-249061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 I think that god is a creation of the human mind to answer the question as to why we exist. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-249085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mebster Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 Emmmmm, Jesus? Which Jesus? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-249337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
non sequitur Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 i believe there's a Jesus. iirc the dead sea scrolls prophesized about his birth and there are many accounts not only of his existence, but of his supernatural miracles. besides, there is so much good in the world. how can there not be a god? how can we choose to believe that an obscure (and almost impossible) probability wins over the fact that there is a being that created us? even if there was no jesus and no god, the Christian religion is a good, moral way of life. think of how people who do good light up people's day. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-249579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
user2 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 i believe there's a Jesus. iirc the dead sea scrolls prophesized about his birth and there are many accounts not only of his existence, but of his supernatural miracles. besides, there is so much good in the world. how can there not be a god? how can we choose to believe that an obscure (and almost impossible) probability wins over the fact that there is a being that created us? even if there was no jesus and no god, the Christian religion is a good, moral way of life. think of how people who do good light up people's day. Dead sea scrolls prophesizing the birth of the son of God and then someone claiming that title ins't exactly proof. so much good? where have you been. Iraq, darfur, Korea, Haiti to name a very small few. Probability? Some dude sitting on a throne getting his jollies off creating the universe doesn't sound to probable. Why would any all knowing being waste the time if the outcome is already known? Free will is a trap. Any "Father" would not allow the level of pain and suffering that millions of "his children" have endured. It doesn't add up. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-249617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nandemonai Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Most every war on earth can be attributed to organised religion in some form or another.. As for Christianity.. can you say hypocrisy? /flame on Anyhoo, sure we're in the Real Life forum section but is this really the place to be discussing such things? No better topics to start a fight than religion and politics. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-249620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwhsh8r Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 well, its a fact that he did exist historically... so theres no denying that, weather he was "God's" child is a whole different story... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-249626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
non sequitur Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Dead sea scrolls prophesizing the birth of the son of God and then someone claiming that title ins't exactly proof. so much good? where have you been. Iraq, darfur, Korea, Haiti to name a very small few. Probability? Some dude sitting on a throne getting his jollies off creating the universe doesn't sound to probable. Why would any all knowing being waste the time if the outcome is already known? Free will is a trap. Any "Father" would not allow the level of pain and suffering that millions of "his children" have endured. It doesn't add up. Think locally. life is good, you know it. there is so much beauty. wouldnt a good father let their kid make mistakes, so they learn? a good father wouldnt hold a young child away from a bike because theyd get hurt. he would let them try it, fall, get back up, and then try it again. i never said God was a dude sitting on a throne taht created the universe for no reason. you talk about the millions with miserable lives, but what about the billions having good lives? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-249640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
user2 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Think locally. life is good, you know it. there is so much beauty.wouldnt a good father let their kid make mistakes, so they learn? a good father wouldnt hold a young child away from a bike because theyd get hurt. he would let them try it, fall, get back up, and then try it again. i never said God was a dude sitting on a throne taht created the universe for no reason. you talk about the millions with miserable lives, but what about the billions having good lives? Yes, life is great in my bubble, I know it is. I do let my children ride bikes but I don't let them ride in front of cars. I also wouldn't let my chldren be sold into sexual slavery or have them forced into military duty. I guess I have more of a conscienece than God. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-249648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat69410 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Yes, life is great in my bubble, I know it is. I do let my children ride bikes but I don't let them ride in front of cars. I also wouldn't let my chldren be sold into sexual slavery or have them forced into military duty. I guess I have more of a conscienece than God. Uhm, have you heard of the Bible? Cause you see, it's this little book that sorta gives you the guidelines to living a good and fulfilling life. God doesn't just give you the world with no instructions, he simply gives you the guidelines and lets you make the decisions about it. It's this wonderful concept called choice. Most every war on earth can be attributed to organised religion in some form or another.. Wow, what a surprise, something that defines a person's role in the universe along with their eventual destination causes wars? What an unheard of idea? All sarcasm aside, of course you can point the finger at Religion for the large percentage of Wars in World History, but so what? Anything that motivates and inspires a group of people to believe in something solidly will start a conflict. Some conflicts turn out bigger than others. You want a world free of wars, you'll end up with a world free of nothing to believe in. Your call. Dead sea scrolls prophesizing the birth of the son of God and then someone claiming that title ins't exactly proof. so much good? where have you been. Iraq, darfur, Korea, Haiti to name a very small few. Probability? Some dude sitting on a throne getting his jollies off creating the universe doesn't sound to probable. Why would any all knowing being waste the time if the outcome is already known? Free will is a trap. Any "Father" would not allow the level of pain and suffering that millions of "his children" have endured. It doesn't add up. What "doesn't add up"? You mention all the pain and suffering and act as if God does nothing about it. What do you think the entire New Testament revolves around? The life of Jesus Christ, and the eternal salvation he brings. If we then assume that there is a God, and that he's letting all this suffering take place, then we can also assume there is a heaven. He's offering us a way to eternal salvation from our temporary abode of Earth. Yeah, any "father" wouldn't let his children endure pain, but a good father takes a look at a much larger picture of pain and salvation. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-249722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
REVENGE Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 You meant believe "in" him as in a religious context right? Then no, I do not. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-249771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sn8k Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 "I believe in god, and god believes in me. and as i am god, i trust in me" Really ... trust in jesus ... that sucks ... don't you better trust in yourself, instead of trust in someone you've never seen ???? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-249885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat69410 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Really ... trust in jesus ... that sucks ... don't you better trust in yourself, instead of trust in someone you've never seen ???? I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure that there's no human alive who has never made a single mistake. What we believe, and what we see is subject to constant change. To trust ourselves is just to trust a small changing perspective from among the whole. Seriously, how many times have we "trusted" ourselves, and then found ourselves shafted later for doing it? Plus, there are just so many things that we don't understand. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-249922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe75 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 There was a man named Jesus, but he was not the son of any god. If you can say that you truly believe in a god why would there not be a Santa Claus or Easter Bunny, why not worship the Tooth Fairy. Spider Man and Super Man also have many books written about their accomplishments also. Organized religions is for feeble minded people Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-249968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark4181 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 1) jesus claimed all throughout the new testament that he was the son of god 2) if he wasn't, that makes him a liar, and renders his entire philosophical teaching base completely false. he either was the son of god, or not. there's no room for this "prophet" talk 3) jesus didn't just fullfil one prophecy.. he fullfulled more than 60 seperate prophecies. statistically speaking, the odds of one person fullfilling so many is more unlikely that the sun sputtering out tomorrow source so, yea, i believe in jesus... i don't believe in organised religion Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34990-do-you-belive-in-jesus/#findComment-250064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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