Colonel Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 This does not look good for the Bay of Pirates. It looks like they might be shut down for good. Let's hope not. http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=1203 Who's next? Demonoid? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
munky Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 Whoa... not good. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taruga Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 Yep... saw it here too http://slashdot.org/articles/06/05/31/1226224.shtml Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 Very interesting. But the thing is that the Swedish public seems to have massive support for the ThePirateBay, they may demand that it be left alone. I mean, these guys even have their own political party: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party This is exactly what I was talking about when I said America sucks, where is Mashugly? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
amdprophet Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 Darn, that sucks for all the people that use that site to download torrents. I'm sure it will come back though. I've resorted to newsgroups lately and I'm never going back to torrents. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
free30 Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 Quote from link ""Judging from posts on several of the large Swedish newspaper forums, many people are outraged over the raid, not because the Piratebay was closed down, but because of the waste of taxpayers money and police time, when there are other more important crimes to solve"" SO WHO PAIED FOR THE RAID? OFTEN ITS AN NON-GOVERMENTAL ORG. The site can be no more braking the law than equipment or software that lets you copy something, if you wish. FEAR IS THERE ONLY WEPON. THIS SORT OF CRIME ONLY DEPRIVES THE ONES WHO HAVE AND TRULLY HURTS NO ONE. IN THIS BIG BIG WORLD DONATIONS AND SELLING THE WHOLE PHISICAL PACKAGE SHOULD BE ENOUGH. BUT WE DON'T TRUST EACH OTHER AND ARE GREEDY free30 You know I only found out about file sharing though such news. They are scratching at a sore and it's only going to get werse. And with poor practice by Police forces we all loss respect; leaving only fear. Don't get me wrong, large scale piracy slows develepment of everything, but it looks like we need to go though the change. free30 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Lincoln Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 While I agree that there are FAR more important or horrid crimes that need to be worked on first, I can't really disagree with the Swedish government's decision to take down TPB. When it comes down to it, no matter how many justifications are thrown out there about how its not really harming anyone or how its not stealing because its not physical property or whatever, its as morally wrong to steal in the sharing world as it is in any other way. I'm not "holier than thou," I've used TPB many times....but lets be real about it, its wrong and we really can't gripe too much if the gov't shuts stuff like TPB, who is knowingly giving us the tools we need to steal. If gun companies were willingly giving out (not even selling, giving) guns to convicted murderers, the public outcry would be insane. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zu1u Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 Who's next? Demonoid? while i had been using Demon0id for a long time, tpb even longer, i saw that the 'spirit' on tpb was that of a rogue organization, inclined to bend the rules as far as possible, i fully agree with the swedish public, there are more important matters at hand, tpb should be left alone, as we all know that even with the 'enourmous loss' that piracy can bring, it can also be a good thing as everybody is advised to purchase the products if they intend on using them for everyday work and such, i personally respect that, and purchase most of the stuff i get on torrents.. especially music and movies Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 ... its as morally wrong to steal... Oh please... It is bad enough that excessively captialistic American media companies are systematically brain-washing the entire planet with mind-numbing {censored} "content", but then they take their ill-gotten gains and use it to corrupt our "democratic" governments with {censored} legislation like the DMCA. What website do you think you are on anyways? Pull your head out of your ass. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
free30 Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 Oh please... It is bad enough that excessively captialistic American media companies are systematically brain-washing the entire planet with mind-numbing {censored} "content", but then they take their ill-gotten gains and use it to corrupt our "democratic" governments with {censored} legislation like the DMCA. What website do you think you are on anyways? Pull your head out of your ass. Great post! So give us a clue. "What website do you think you are on anyways? " Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Posted May 31, 2006 Author Share Posted May 31, 2006 Let's all get T-Shirts in rememberance of our favorite torrent site. http://www.zazzle.com/products/product/pro...831891663695164 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Lincoln Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 Oh please... It is bad enough that excessively captialistic American media companies are systematically brain-washing the entire planet with mind-numbing {censored} "content", but then they take their ill-gotten gains and use it to corrupt our "democratic" governments with {censored} legislation like the DMCA. What website do you think you are on anyways? Pull your head out of your ass. I make no qualms about what site I'm on etc....I pirate as much as the rest of us....heck this whole forum is based on the illegal distribution of Mac OS X. Frankly, I don't really care whether you agree or not with what the media companies do with the money they earn....my point is lets just be honest with ourselves, its stealing....thats all. Because its stealing...theres not a lot of point in slamming governments who crack down on it. I happen to agree with you....that the "content" that most commercial media companies are putting out is pretty crappy, but that doesn't change the truth of the matter....that what we do is stealing, no jusitifications or passionate arguments will change that. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Nonny Moose Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 But this site is not based on STEALING. Other people STEAL it and then discuss what they're doing here. The tools needed to STEAL it are not here, not will they ever be here. Neither will links encouraging STEALING. Neither items will be here, but the discussion can happen. There isn't anything inherently wrong with discussing something, even if that discussion is about STEALING. It only becomes wrong when there is action taken (aka, when someone STEALS). The intent of this forum is to discuss OS X and (now) has nothing to do with STEALING in any way, shape or form. This isn't a forum for piracy, so let's just shut up about what the intent of this forum is really about. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Lincoln Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 But this site is not based on STEALING. Other people STEAL it and then discuss what they're doing here. The tools needed to STEAL it are not here, not will they ever be here. Neither will links encouraging STEALING. Neither items will be here, but the discussion can happen. There isn't anything inherently wrong with discussing something, even if that discussion is about STEALING. It only becomes wrong when there is action taken (aka, when someone STEALS). The intent of this forum is to discuss OS X and (now) has nothing to do with STEALING in any way, shape or form. This isn't a forum for piracy, so let's just shut up about what the intent of this forum is really about. I'm not slamming this forum nor the intent of it. I am only asking for us to be honest...TPB was shut down because it was supporting activities that are illegal. End of story....no amount of justifications or arguments will change that. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
free30 Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 TPB was shut down because it was supporting activities that are illegal. End of story....no amount of justifications or arguments will change that. Even victim supports illegal activity! I think the stumbling blocks going to be there suggestion to buy it if you use it. Infering you might download it before you buy it It should have been a shared backup resorce. To check the copy you have. free30 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxgus Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 piratebay are not doing anything illegal. everything they do officially is LEGAL in sweden. the only thing they can get busted for is if they are doing anything else on the side.... so lets just hope there´s only non-copyrigthed stuff on the seized boxes! the fact that they were being cocky or indirectly supporting piracy doesn´t matter; it´s not against swedish law. and if swedish law changes now, they will move the whole project elsewhere, where their activities are legal. and why the feck were piratbyrans boxes seized? anyway YES the raid was initiated by antipiratbyran in sweden which is financially backed up by the big players... sony/bmg and the rest of the BS big companies in for a widespread hit and the big bucks.. (that they SHOULD be investing in offering a competitive online music / video shop to compete with the likes of itunes) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svenska_antipiratbyrån i am convinced that the only outcome of this is an even stronger piratebay site and more swedes joining the new swedish "pirate party" ;-) puss & kram, osxG Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takuro Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 Figures. I really needed Microsoft Office PowerPoint for a project for school tomorrow. The PirateBay had the fastest office torrents. In 5 hours I'll be able to start making my PowerPoint presentation. Just ****ing great! Funny thing is, a couple of days ago I said to myself "I wonder how a big torrent site like TPB doesn't get shut down. It's as well known as Napster or Kazaa were." Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Posted May 31, 2006 Author Share Posted May 31, 2006 I was just on their site last nite trying to download Win4Lin. I thought something was weird when I saw that I was getting 0 k/s and there was supposed to be 4 seeders. Go to their website and get the full story. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
u1m2 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Oh please... It is bad enough that excessively captialistic American media companies are systematically brain-washing the entire planet with mind-numbing {censored} "content", but then they take their ill-gotten gains and use it to corrupt our "democratic" governments with {censored} legislation like the DMCA. What website do you think you are on anyways? Pull your head out of your ass. This quote will be on one of my sigs some of these days, don't know exactly which forum but it's going to be there. Come to think of it, products of such nature like software, music, movies etc... are oddly all non-refundable. If I go out to a restaurant and they serve me a poor dish, I can order them to take it back and leave without paying, same goes for many things including hardware. Whilst, if you pay for a horrible movie, album or piece of software that never even comes close to what they claim it to be through advertising, you get stiffed for good. You can't say "this movie is horrible, I want a refund" (which we should be able to do because Hollywood is mostly about fooling customers into thinking they have a good product at hand by paying the visual media, printed media etc to put in a good word...), similarly when there are only 2 good songs in a 20$ worth album you are expected to suck it in. I have dlded a lot of software, music and movies. The movies and albums that I liked, I went ahead and bought original copies of. If I paid for all the software that I trashed because they were utterly poor and didn't function as the developers claimed, I would have been robbed off more than a few thousand euros. The software that I liked, the software that I do work with for my earning, I paid for. The american companies are pushing this war with piracy so that in the future they will be able to stick it to us anyway they like, and be able to take our money for granted. What is sad is our governments are :censored2: aiding them without consulting their public. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sHARD>> Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 It is bad enough that excessively captialistic American media companies are systematically brain-washing the entire planet with mind-numbing {censored} "content", but then they take their ill-gotten gains and use it to corrupt our "democratic" governments with {censored} legislation like the DMCA. /me offers bofors a cookie for his well phrased speech. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGF.SquallStrife Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 similarly when there are only 2 good songs in a 20$ worth album you are expected to suck it in. This is why the recording studios dislike iTunes. I can fork out $3 and get the two "good" songs off my fave artist's newest album, leaving them without the $17 they would have got from the rest of the "filler" material. *sigh* Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Lincoln Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 This quote will be on one of my sigs some of these days, don't know exactly which forum but it's going to be there. Come to think of it, products of such nature like software, music, movies etc... are oddly all non-refundable. If I go out to a restaurant and they serve me a poor dish, I can order them to take it back and leave without paying, same goes for many things including hardware. Whilst, if you pay for a horrible movie, album or piece of software that never even comes close to what they claim it to be through advertising, you get stiffed for good. You can't say "this movie is horrible, I want a refund" (which we should be able to do because Hollywood is mostly about fooling customers into thinking they have a good product at hand by paying the visual media, printed media etc to put in a good word...), similarly when there are only 2 good songs in a 20$ worth album you are expected to suck it in. I have dlded a lot of software, music and movies. The movies and albums that I liked, I went ahead and bought original copies of. If I paid for all the software that I trashed because they were utterly poor and didn't function as the developers claimed, I would have been robbed off more than a few thousand euros. The software that I liked, the software that I do work with for my earning, I paid for. The american companies are pushing this war with piracy so that in the future they will be able to stick it to us anyway they like, and be able to take our money for granted. What is sad is our governments are aiding them without consulting their public. Two points: 1. After you have eaten your whole meal, would a restaurant still take it back? Give you a refund? Allow you to walk off? 2. I assume you have purchased a copy of Mac OS X from the Apple Store then to account for your MacTel, since you purchase media you have consumed and enjoy? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swad Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 1. Even though we've hit on this point many times... this forum is not about pirating. It's about OS X on all x86 processors and everything else Mac related. If members pirate software (which many of them do - in fact I don't know of many geeks who haven't) then that's fine with us, but it's not something we support for legal/ethical reasons. 2. It's one thing to disagree - it's wholly another to tell someone to remove their head from their gluteus maximus (Attn: Bofors). Civility helps set this forum apart from others - let's keep it that way. 3. That sucks about TPB. I could argue both sides on this one, but it seems like justice was certainly not served in this case. And for the record (sorry, bad pun) I totally resent the sway these recording industry-type orgs have. They should really disappear. Soon. 4. u1m2 has a great idea. Can we start asking for a refund if a movie just really sucks 5 minutes into it? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviant0ne Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 The pressing issue for me is my paranoia... Is it possible to trace TPB or even Demonoid's users back to their homes? P.S. As long as you've watched less than 45 minutes of the movie, they always give your money back Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Lincoln Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 1. Even though we've hit on this point many times... this forum is not about pirating. It's about OS X on all x86 processors and everything else Mac related. If members pirate software (which many of them do - in fact I don't know of many geeks who haven't) then that's fine with us, but it's not something we support for legal/ethical reasons. 2. It's one thing to disagree - it's wholly another to tell someone to remove their head from their gluteus maximus (Attn: Bofors). Civility helps set this forum apart from others - let's keep it that way. 3. That sucks about TPB. I could argue both sides on this one, but it seems like justice was certainly not served in this case. And for the record (sorry, bad pun) I totally resent the sway these recording industry-type orgs have. They should really disappear. Soon. 4. u1m2 has a great idea. Can we start asking for a refund if a movie just really sucks 5 minutes into it? 1. I've never meant to imply otherwise. 3. I agree, overall justice wasn't served. There are probably unsolved murders on the books that deserve WAY more attention than this, and I am sure that the raid was more political than anything else. Just in the end, we can't gripe about it because its illegal (someone mentioned its not in Sweden?...interesting) 4. Its been my experience that most movie theaters will give it back begrudgingly if you've seen less than half the movie. Once you consume it, theres nothing to return....like a full meal or a movie or installing a license on a computer, regardless of whether you enjoyed the content or not. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18964-bay-of-pirates-raided-servers-seized/#findComment-122960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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