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brainbone
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another petition - why do people think this will work? :S

 

 

I think the idea is "show Apple that there is enough interest in buying OSX for non-Apple PCs". But, all Apple will see is "There are allot of people that like OSX. A good portion of them will probably buy a Mac.".

JustK
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Boot Camp => More Mac sells (for Windows users) and more Windows sells (for Mac lovers).

 

MacOSX on PC => Less Mac and less Windows, anyway Apple won't sell its OS the price of a computer, and we all know that a lot of peoples use illegal copy of OS.

 

Apple is a computer manufacturer, not a software editor.

 

What I'm waiting, it a reaction from DELL or HP, who are actually out of the party. I would be pleased to see those two giants of the market releasing something like a DELLOS or HPOS, but, we all know it will never happen, because Microsoft will see it as a war declaration.

 

Wait and see, that's all we can do. Who can belive three years before, that Apple would use Intel chips in its computers, so... let's see what other manufacturers will do to earn some attention, the matter, is that Steve Jobs isn't everywhere, who will make something as mad as running Windows on Intel chips ?

A Nonny Moose
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I think the idea is "show Apple that there is enough interest in buying OSX for non-Apple PCs". But, all Apple will see is "There are allot of people that like OSX. A good portion of them will probably buy a Mac.".

 

Yeah, tell Apple, "Look at the demand for OS X" and Apple will reply with, "Good. Now go buy a Mac and run OS X."

OPTiK
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Yeah, tell Apple, "Look at the demand for OS X" and Apple will reply with, "Good. Now go buy a Mac and run OS X."

 

OR they'll see it as losted profits due to the fact noone in their right mind is going to buy a $$$$ IntelMAC just for the OS.

composer
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Yeah, tell Apple, "Look at the demand for OS X" and Apple will reply with, "Good. Now go buy a Mac and run OS X."

 

 

 

errrrrrr, not exactly.

 

The computing world is run by gamers and media centers. The MAC Line needs better price points.

 

In the scope of things, (Gaming, Video, Audio Applications (Native e.g. Nuendo, SX, Cakewalk) AMD and INTEL machines run circles around the macs at the price points Mac offers.

 

They will never EVER reach the market share of the PC's until the can compete at the same price level and offer BETTER, yes, BETTER performance, especially so in gaming which is one of the most ludacris business' right now.

 

The irony is that gamers also tend to be overclockers which also translates to semi-hackers, so, in time, people will buy the machines and run OSX and bypass the MAC hardware, thus decreases both tenative OS sales as well as hardware. Trust me, I am also a developer for software and have seen many products, no matter how "uncrackable" we/they try to make it, it doesn't happen. The only reason OSX prior to X86 never saw the light of day was mainly in part to the OS having no demand. Now with programs released in Universal Binary, it's only a matter of time before the OS is released or someone like SUN comes out with a product like LOOKING GLASS as an OS and gives MSFT a run for their money.

Gone Like The Wind
Gone Like The Wind
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it's only a matter of time before the OS is released or someone like SUN comes out with a product like LOOKING GLASS as an OS and gives MSFT a run for their money.

 

You mean Linux? thats ripping the major deals they had with goverments out from under microsoft's feet? Or you mean Linux that is pounding their marketshare under the servers?

 

Sun is a sinking ship.. and them pulling off the resources to challange MS :)

 

Look to Linux and watch what happens its changed dramaticly in the 3 years solid I have used it. Sure I would drop it in a heartbeat from my main system for OSX but I doubt its going to happen so I just run linux all around.. too bad really as OSX is great and I am not willing to be a theif or pirate its just not who I am.

 

:2cents:

brainbone
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The computing world is run by gamers and media centers.

 

The "computing world" is “run” by corporate buyers / small business, then your average mom & pop that just want a computer for "email", then the rest is all niche, but high margin, markets like Gamers, Designers, Developers, Media Centers, what have you.

CSMatt
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The computing world is run by gamers and media centers. The MAC Line needs better price points.

 

In the scope of things, (Gaming, Video, Audio Applications (Native e.g. Nuendo, SX, Cakewalk) AMD and INTEL machines run circles around the macs at the price points Mac offers.

Companies like Alienware have proved that serious gamers will spend over $4,000 for a high-end PC. I'm sure they would be willing to provide a similar amount for a Macintosh if it proves itself to be a superior gaming machine.

 

They will never EVER reach the market share of the PC's until the can compete at the same price level and offer BETTER, yes, BETTER performance, especially so in gaming which is one of the most ludacris business' right now.

The Mac lineup does offer superior hardware. That's why it's so pricey.

 

The irony is that gamers also tend to be overclockers which also translates to semi-hackers, so, in time, people will buy the machines and run OSX and bypass the MAC hardware, thus decreases both tenative OS sales as well as hardware. Trust me, I am also a developer for software and have seen many products, no matter how "uncrackable" we/they try to make it, it doesn't happen. The only reason OSX prior to X86 never saw the light of day was mainly in part to the OS having no demand. Now with programs released in Universal Binary, it's only a matter of time before the OS is released or someone like SUN comes out with a product like LOOKING GLASS as an OS and gives MSFT a run for their money.

Sun Microsystems already has its own operating system; Solaris.

 

Mac OS X 10.1+ has always been very popular amongst Apple lovers and conventional users alike. The reason for this "explosion" of popularity among the hacker community is because it is impossible without emulation to install the operating system on a non-PowerPC machine unless it is an x86 build.

 

Besides, only enthusiasts will ever have the time or patience to hack Mac OS X to place it on their PCs. In fact, the XOM solution used to boot Windows XP was considered to be very difficult according to most reviews, when in reality it was almost three times less complicated than installing OS X cracks.

iDerf2006
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Alright, anyone who signs this petition CLEARLY does not understand why Apple does so well and is so secure and stable.

 

OS X can stay stable compared to Windows because it's LOCKED DOWN on it's hardware. It's made SPECIFICALLY for it's hardware. OS X made SPECIFICALLY at first for the G4s, then tweaked for the G5s, and now tweaked to work SPECIFICALLY on Intel Core Duos. It's not optimized to work on Intel Pentium 4, or Intel Pentium Celeron, or Intel Pentium M... allowing it to be installed on those kills that sort of control. It kills the stable.

 

Also - you need to be unique to by a mac. I think you need to think different - you're not out to compute, you dont see lines of code. To buy a mac, I think you need to see live rather then compute. You need to see beauty and ease of use, rather then lines of code. Anyone who thinks like this should be MORE THEN WILLING to buy a Mac mini or an iMac or MacBook.

 

Sorry - I'm not signing this.

skn
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OS X can stay stable compared to Windows because it's LOCKED DOWN on it's hardware. It's made SPECIFICALLY for it's hardware.

 

This is not necessarily true... Take Linux, for example, It's hardware agnostic and quite stable. Darwin is stable on generic PCs as well. :)

Windows is unstable thanks to microsoft... :)

brainbone
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OS X can stay stable compared to Windows because it's LOCKED DOWN on it's hardware. It's made SPECIFICALLY for it's hardware. OS X made SPECIFICALLY at first for the G4s, then tweaked for the G5s, and now tweaked to work SPECIFICALLY on Intel Core Duos.

 

OSX can "stay stable compared to Windows" because it doesn’t have to worry about LEGACY APPLICATION support. It has NOTHING to do with the hardware it runs on.

EPDM
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As is mentioned in here before. Apple is a hardware vendor and splitting its OS free from the hardware WILL have an impact on their sales. So they will never sell Mac OS for general PC's. Also restricting hardware compatibility does give more control for them and their partners to keep steady prices and avoid dumbing policies like in the general PC market where profits are long gone and the competition is killing. I also doubt that stability has anything to do with it. The point mentioned about legacy apps is indeed a major one. Apple enforced several times a complete change upon its userbase so they know that users will follow and therefore they can invest in new technology and completely abandoning their old ties.

 

Also the talking about AMD vs Intel (or PPC for that matter) is soon to be redundant. Because although the Windows PC industry is now driven (partly) by hardcore gamers/whizkids/hackers/whatever it's clear that Microsoft will cut gaming out of the PC and into the X-Box. Once that process is completed it doesn't matter what platform you use to perform your computing job or needs. I believe that by then ppl will equally buy PC and Macs (particularly if they use the same apps).

 

This will open the market much wider for alternative hardware/software solutions.

 

Anyway. as it is now. Apple tollerate us. As long as we don't make too much fuss and don't harm sales of MacIntels too much. I think that petitions will just draw too much attention to the hackintosh crowd (probably with devastating consequences).

 

I think we'd better sit quiet and shut up. I also think it's better to put your energy in improving drivers/apps etc... for the Hackincrowd instead of politics (petition=politics).

 

Regards,

 

EPDM

A Nonny Moose
A Nonny Moose
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Microsoft isn't driven by gamers, except to the extent DirectX is used. Windows has not, is not, and will never be engineered as a "just for gamers" system. This is called narrowcasting and is usually a death knell for a company.

 

Besides, the game market is dying on its feet anyway, losing more and more to consoles every day.

non sequitur
non sequitur
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just because the united states constitution gives you the right to petition doesnt mean you can get what you want. companies dont care about far fetched wishes of their consumers. psp user petitioned for homebrew, look where theyve gotten with that.

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Straylight
Straylight
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HEH, Iderf and Brainbone, you are arguing 2 sides of the same coin, err.. or rather

 

 

It's made SPECIFICALLY for it's hardware. true

 

Its stable in part because its legacy free also true

 

Given the large amount of selection that PC users have in hardware, a tiny patch of it is Mac compatble. Unlike Windows, Mac isnt trying to recognize hardware in its drivers from 1999. Apple is a HArdware company as much as it is a software company, to simply sell the OS as a standalone product they would need to test and support 100 times the amount of hardware they do now.

 

I wonder what the profit difference would be in selling hardware+software as they do now versus just software? My bet is they would lose anincredible amount of money on their laptos alone. Why buy a $2100 MacBook Pro when you can buy a $500 Dell and throw OSX on there. (Oh-Es-Sex?)

 

Its a nice idea, as I said elsewhere in the forums, If it was as a simple as just CHOICE- I would take Apples OS in a heartbeat- But thats not the case. I don't think this Petition will DO anything but give false hope. For what its worth, I like how Macs only use high end equipment.

 

As for giving undo attention to the 'hackintosh' community, I don't think it matters. This site has already had the attention of Apples lawyers. I doubt they just went away. In the words of Bungies BOB from Marathon, "They're EVERYWHERE!"

 

 

-Straylight

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