QuietRiot Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 The development of EFiX took a lot of time.During the development phase, we had to deal with various problems, including sabotage. I'm really interested in this whole sabotage story. Their website now lists 'complete systems', too. I guess Psystar was not gonna be alone for too long in this market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnniecarcinogen Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 When using the dongle, do you have to boot from the USB stick first or just boot normally dvd/hdd with the dongle plugged in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iced Angel Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 their website is down ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Fee Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 So, 90% of the pages on the website is down... almost taunting us There is a downloads page... meaning something will be available to download that is not documentation (because they have a documentation page) Here is an interesting quote from their FAQ: So is EFiX just a usb device where I could copy the files to an existing USB thumb drive?Absolutely not! EFiX is neither a memory stick or thumb drive. It is a completely unique device with very intricate protection above and beyond your wildest imagination. I think this is a bit of sarcasm, considering the rest of their FAQ page is very sarcastic (such as hardware like refrigerators are not supported) Although it might be something that attaches to the USB header on a mobo, that seems unrealistic and impractical. The only reason I say this is because they have a laptop version, and attaching something to a USB header on a laptop isn't easy like it is on a PC. Some people have also mentioned that running things through a USB anything will make the performance awful. This might be the case, but I think there will be more to it than that. I know if I were developing this I would load any necessary code into memory on boot so it is easily accessible. (Although I really don't know how its gonna work) One thing that interests me though is that they have a PCI option... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknojunkie Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 well it can be a usb dongle but with their hardware on it, like Bluetooth dongles have different hardware than a USB flash or a USB sound card so they probably have a USB EFI Hardware where the motherboard of your OS is on that Stick. or PCI Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balamut Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 well it can be a usb dongle but with their hardware on it, like Bluetooth dongles have different hardware than a USB flash or a USB sound card so they probably have a USB EFI Hardware where the motherboard of your OS is on that Stick. or PCI Card Check the FAQ on their site. "So is EFiX just a usb device where I could copy the files to an existing USB thumb drive? Absolutely not! EFiX is neither a memory stick or thumb drive. It is a completely unique device with very intricate protection above and beyond your wildest imagination." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogan Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Here is an interesting quote from their FAQ:I think this is a bit of sarcasm, considering the rest of their FAQ page is very sarcastic (such as hardware like refrigerators are not supported) Maybe it's just me, but I find the amount of sarcasm to be a wee bit unprofessional. It might come off to some people that they are mocking the intelligence of potential customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlyboy Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 I think the undertone off the sarcasm is that hardware will be supported providing its mac compat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starobrno1 Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 I´d say there´s no need for this I just bought Leo 10.5.1 from apple and managed to install it with the help of the sticky thread for GA mobos and even uppgrade to apple 10.5.3 on my old crappy Asus p4p800 mobo P4 3Ghz cpu, I´m typing this on it now. Just got to be just as good to go the retaiway cause you´re gonna have to work the kexts depending on your hardware anyway or buy a specifik setup if you want it all to work with this thingy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknojunkie Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 I´d say there´s no need for this I just bought Leo 10.5.1 from apple and managed to install it with the help of the sticky thread for GA mobos and even uppgrade to apple 10.5.3 on my old crappy Asus p4p800 mobo P4 3Ghz cpu, I´m typing this on it now. Just got to be just as good to go the retaiway cause you´re gonna have to work the kexts depending on your hardware anyway or buy a specifik setup if you want it all to work with this thingy. yes but you have to apply patches and fixes and install efiv8 with this you stick in your disk and install nothing else. no patches or anything only kext's if you need them for your vid card and sound. so there is a need for some users for this. and netkas was able to update for 10.5.0 to 10.5.3 thru software update and again nothing else except this dongle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlyboy Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Maybe its got an onboard driver database with everything needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starobrno1 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Quote: yes but you have to apply patches and fixes and install efiv8 with this you stick in your disk and install nothing else. no patches or anything only kext's if you need them for your vid card and sound. so there is a need for some users for this. and netkas was able to update for 10.5.0 to 10.5.3 thru software update and again nothing else except this dongle. End Quote But that´s what I´m saying you still would have to work with the kexts if you don´t buy speciffic hardware, that stick can´t hold drivers for every possible hardware combination people would choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlyboy Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Quote:yes but you have to apply patches and fixes and install efiv8 with this you stick in your disk and install nothing else. no patches or anything only kext's if you need them for your vid card and sound. so there is a need for some users for this. and netkas was able to update for 10.5.0 to 10.5.3 thru software update and again nothing else except this dongle. End Quote But that´s what I´m saying you still would have to work with the kexts if you don´t buy speciffic hardware, that stick can´t hold drivers for every possible hardware combination people would choose. Just the more popular ones perhaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknojunkie Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 same with a real mac you need to have the drivers in order for it to work, if you have compatible hardware it will perfectly fine you can't have an AMD processor with this or on a real mac. Yeah I know what you are trying to say but on your install you can't update from 10.5.1 to 10.5.3 thru software update with this dongle as netkas said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fagosu Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 For me this IS a breakthrough, I'm not asking myself what the thing is(software, dongle, usb thumb drive, etc.), I will know when it comes out. What I do know is that being able to BOOT and INSTALL from an original and untouched Mac OSX DVD is great, of course that if your box doesn't have the hardware that a Mac has you will need the kexts for it, OSX doesn't have drivers for the array of hardware that exists out there but: - If you have an intel processor, compatible motherboard, sound, video and network hardware it will be (almost) as good as having an Apple Mac. - Since you don't need to hack dsmos, system, and all the other OS related kexts you can go out and buy licensed OSX hardware and it will work in your box. - Being able to use Apple's Software Update to upgrade your system without the need to use hacked kexts and/or kernels or waiting for the wonderful geniuses to put out the upgrade so it won't break your system and having to start over again. And in my book that is enough of a breakthrough, now I hope they sell it in Mexico Just my opinion ~fagosu Edited for legibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknojunkie Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 yes that exactly what my trying to say. If they don't sell it to mexico some kind people here will put some on eBay lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Adams Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 I have a friend in Germany that will buy it and ship it to me here in the US. But I will wait till I learn more about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnniecarcinogen Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 You'll be able to order them online through resellers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~pcwiz Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Quote:But that´s what I´m saying you still would have to work with the kexts if you don´t buy speciffic hardware, that stick can´t hold drivers for every possible hardware combination people would choose. Has anyone thought that MAYBE they might make an app that connects to an online driver database and downloads the necessary drivers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermiguel Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 To me, this dongle sounds like a TPM chip on a USB stick. Just think about it. The real macs use the TPM chip for ID purposes only (such as Don't Steal Mac OSX.kext and such) and you just have to have the Mac original TPM key cloned to a USB stick. Now, about the rest...I don't know how could it be, but if it works, I will certainly and undoubtly buy one. Regards. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careless Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 I'm thinking this device has a partition that will load the proper drivers upon first boot. So I guess testing the drivers that you know are working in Leo4all V3 before attempting to install from a leopard disc are probably requirements the first time around. Then you would just put them on the partition and it would be used as a source for kexts when installing the OS. That would make the most sense to me. An online database that the unit connects to is inefficient in providing most users with a working solution, seeing as I, as an example, can't even get my RT2500 miniPCI Card to accept any drivers for Leopard.... so how then would I connect to this "database" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathul Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 To me, this dongle sounds like a TPM chip on a USB stick. Just think about it. The real macs use the TPM chip for ID purposes only (such as Don't Steal Mac OSX.kext and such) and you just have to have the Mac original TPM key cloned to a USB stick. As far as i know there is no TPM chip in current Macs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknojunkie Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 I'm thinking this device has a partition that will load the proper drivers upon first boot. So I guess testing the drivers that you know are working in Leo4all V3 before attempting to install from a leopard disc are probably requirements the first time around. Then you would just put them on the partition and it would be used as a source for kexts when installing the OS. That would make the most sense to me. An online database that the unit connects to is inefficient in providing most users with a working solution, seeing as I, as an example, can't even get my RT2500 miniPCI Card to accept any drivers for Leopard.... so how then would I connect to this "database" dude this has been awnsered so many times, its not a storage device its says in there faq, its all hardware based. and there home has been updated i guess you can view it in differnet languages www.efi-x.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefinalprophecy Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 If it's hardware based then I'd imagine it'd be pretty expensive. They would have to cover the cost of manufacturing a new hardware component which I imagine is quite costly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlyboy Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 If it costs more than a 100% compatible motherboard wouldnt it just be better and cheaper buying the motherboard i mean what would the point being in having the device lmao well so many ppl here run vanilla now dont they... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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