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[yangj08]

On the other hand, certain countries do not treat the EULA as absolute, especially if it takes away the customer's rights to use it as he/she pleases.

For the US, though, someone really should test that "Apple-labeled" part of the EULA- will those Apple stickers that seem to (used to?) come with OS X be all right?

[SticMAC™]

I'd BEG to disagree, Less than a year ago Dell had lenghty discussions with Apple to include 10.5 on their latest product the XPS 1 but ot no avail, so they opted to have either vista or Ubuntu linux shipped as standard choice!
i'm currently running 10.5.1 on one of them, and it make that "movie thing" from apple look STUPID!

SticMAN

SEEANN JEEANN WAZUP BUDDEE, on Nov 25 2007, 04:49 PM, said:

Highly improbable. HP and Dell are both Microsoft's bitch.

This is my View on the topic!!!
We have argued the following,  
1)   You may purchase an LEGAL Apple Mac, Software?
2)    You may rebuild it into a different case for heating issues, and transfer Logo?
3)    You may replace the memory with Kingston Modules, for faster access?
4)    You may replace the Intel Proccessor from duo core to Quad?
5)    You may replace the Graphics card to accomodate you gaming needs?
6)    You may replace the DVD Writer, with a BlueRAY for Backup Capacity?
7)    You may replace the Keyboard and Mouse for a more Ergonomical friendly Logitech?
8)   You may replace the existing Audio with a 7.1 Surround Creative for sound in gaming?
9)    You may replace your Harddrive with a 1TB Maxtor for enlarging your storrage capacity?
10)    You may purchase a 83" HDMI 1080i LCD TV/Monitor toaccommodate your gaming
Let me see whats left........? the powercable!  
The Apple Store told me to cut the cable and fit my own PLUG!
What i'm seeing here is... you wont have much of a warranty left unless you have all this done at the Apple Shop,

Then what are we to do?   

"on a single Apple-labeled computer" I got some REALLY cool Apple labels with my new IPOD!  

Sticman
Learn to flow not fight the system.......  

QUOTE(MetalFishX @ Dec 8 2007, 05:38 PM) People, just an advice, to prevent you bad surprices... Dont talk abut LEGAL because it wont be legal anyway.. Read Leopard licence here: http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/A. Single Use. This License allows you to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. You agree not to install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-labeled computer, or to enable others to do so. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time, and you may not make the Apple Software available over a network where it could be used by multiple computers at the same time.Apple specified that you can't install Leopard on a non Apple machine; so no mather how you install Leopard on pc, it wont be legal anyway

[Inepsa]

I would be a Mac guy if they would sell Leopard so I can install it on any machine I want. There hardware is overpriced and not worth it. If they start selling licenses to everyone that wants to use a Mac, then I will put it on all of my computers.

[socal swimmer]

you would only be a mac guy for a little while. after that Apple would go belly up, or leave computers. So no more macs. Selling OS X is not profitable!

[Inepsa]

Then they should lower their prices on hardware prices. You can build amazing machinery for the same price as a piece of Mac hardware. They could be far more competitive with lower prices.

[robotskip]

Microsoft survives on selling Windows licenses though of course, that's enabled them to expand into other areas.

I wish someone would create an app that replaces the Dock with a kind of Gnome panel/Windows startbar in the same style as the top bar in OSX. :/

[Colonel]

robotskip, on Jan 27 2008, 03:49 PM, said:

I wish someone would create an app that replaces the Dock with a kind of Gnome panel/Windows startbar in the same style as the top bar in OSX.

Dock > Taskbar

[CLiDE FTW!!1]

Colonel, on Jan 27 2008, 11:32 PM, said:

Dock > Taskbar

Dock alone, no... but dock + expose > Taskbar.

[newbmac]

Sticman, on Dec 13 2007, 03:27 AM, said:

I'd BEG to disagree, Less than a year ago Dell had lenghty discussions with Apple to include 10.5 on their latest product the XPS 1 but ot no avail, so they opted to have either vista or Ubuntu linux shipped as standard choice!

Interesting. do you have a citation for this information?  I had never heard such a thing....

[Mr. Harrison]

I understand that if Apple takes the exclusive OS X from their expensive hardware, then they would obviously lose money. So what they should do is make an OSX86 that partially works more or less with PC's (which is what we're working with now), work on the A/V drivers a little more, provide NO SUPPORT FOR IT, YOU HACK IT YOURSELF!!!, and sell it for $50. It would legalize the usage of OSX86, people would still be compelled to use a Mac because they're not getting the max performance, usability, and support out of a real Mac, and Apple would be getting money and marketing off this hackery. I think they would be able to give the PC users a taste of Mac without having to hurt their sales of iMacs and such. It would also ease the inevitable transition of OS X to PC's, but to pull that off, they need to creep into the world of Windows, and start getting compared side by side with XP and Vista and the upcoming Vienna. Then they can overcome less than 5% and make it safe to crawl into the PC market and make OSX86 profitable.

[S.SubZero]

Mr. Harrison, on Feb 11 2008, 08:50 PM, said:

So what they should do is make an OSX86 that partially works more or less with PC's (which is what we're working with now), work on the A/V drivers a little more, provide NO SUPPORT FOR IT, YOU HACK IT YOURSELF!!!, and sell it for $50.

This would never work, as even if they forced you to etch "I will not sue Apple if this causes data loss" on your arm with a razor blade, the minute you lose that business critical file when the OS glitches and blows up the data, you'd be screaming for blood and hiring lawyers.

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OSX86 is an opportunity for me to tinker with OS X and learn about it without having to buy a Mac.  I don't do anything particularly productive with it.  If I blow it up (like I have done a lot lately) it's not a big deal, I can re-install it at my leisure.  If nothing else I can mention OS X on my resume.

I admit I am kind of relying on iTunes, since I don't like the Windows version at all.  My friend got me one of those gift certificates for Christmas and I've been downloading songs to my iPod, AND listening to cool french techno on their audio streams.  My iPod is now formatted for Mac, so I am kind of stuck with it unless I feel like re-doing it again with the Windows version (NOOO).

[kinkster]

Mr. Harrison, on Feb 12 2008, 04:50 AM, said:

I understand that if Apple takes the exclusive OS X from their expensive hardware, then they would obviously lose money. So what they should do is make an OSX86 that partially works more or less with PC's (which is what we're working with now), work on the A/V drivers a little more, provide NO SUPPORT FOR IT, YOU HACK IT YOURSELF!!!, and sell it for $50. It would legalize the usage of OSX86, people would still be compelled to use a Mac because they're not getting the max performance, usability, and support out of a real Mac, and Apple would be getting money and marketing off this hackery. I think they would be able to give the PC users a taste of Mac without having to hurt their sales of iMacs and such. It would also ease the inevitable transition of OS X to PC's, but to pull that off, they need to creep into the world of Windows, and start getting compared side by side with XP and Vista and the upcoming Vienna. Then they can overcome less than 5% and make it safe to crawl into the PC market and make OSX86 profitable.

Or they could just leave the Mac hackers alone, since they probabaly wont cause much loss of profit anyway and might increase interest in OS X.

[qlayer2]

Apple will never license/sell the OS X software, they don't have the vendor support on internal crew to support the monsterous mass of hardware available.  The "hacked" version with no support would not work, because you would see clone companies really take off, and take marketshare from Apple directly.  

I owned a G3 ibook, and it was a great laptop while it lasted.  I replaced it with a dell vostro 1500 with a hacked version of OS X and XP.   It cost me $800 and feature for feature is nearly identical to the macbook pro (slightly smaller hard drive 160 v 250, more memory 4gb v 2gb, 2.3ghz v 2.5ghz processor).  

Until Apple expands its product line to include disposable laptops ($500-900 with an average lifespan of 2 years) and  reasonable towers with upgradeable components ($600-1000 with an average lifespan of 3-5 years with incrimental upgrades), which make up about 80% of the home PC market, their marketshare won't expand.  

With the Vista debacle, I can't believe no one at Apple has pushed this idea through yet.  The components are out there, the osx86 people here have proved it.

[kinkster]

I dont think Apple or Steve Jobs necessarily want a large market share.

[Josh Fee]

So I haven't read all 9 pages of this thread... I have better things to do (no offense to those who spent time posting on pages 3-8), but here are a few of my thoughts.

Apple is a hardware company that has an interface for their hardware. That is all OS X (or 9 or 8...) is, an interface. No one can argue that they are a monopoly by limiting use of this interface to their products. Just like if you bought an iPod and decided "I like the firmware on the iPod... I'm going to put it on my Zune". Just because the firmware (OS X) comes on a DVD doesn't make it any different. Regardless of what you do with that intellectual property, unless you are installing it to their hardware it is ilelgal.

An interesting point about the above is that you can open up, take apart, rewire, and modify almost any piece of hardware (say a hard drive for example), and there is no way they can sue you. Sure your warranty will be void, but they cannot prosecute. If you buy a hard drive, modify it, and then distribute that, then you have committed a crime, which leads me to my next point.

Both using OSx86 and illegally downloading music can be seen as stealing and in turn can be viewed as morally wrong. That's all fine and dandy, but there is a big difference between the two. Apple is typically not losing customers because of this. Majority, like myself, plan to buy their hardware, recommend to friends, etc. With the music industry, however, when someone downloads a song or an album, they have it. There is no need to buy it, and the record companies are actually losing money.

Like in my shpeil about modification and distribution, there is a big gap between hacking OSx86 for your own use and calling it a day, and modifying it and publishing it for the rest of the world to use. Once you do that you are ACTUALLY breaking the law (as opposed to technically breaking the law ) Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate the work that the big names in this community do (you know who you are), but it is probably the most illegal aspect of it all.

In the grad scheme of things, we live in cyberspace. I may be sitting in a physical room, but that physical room has nothing to do with the world of the internet besides a number in the format of XXX.XXX.XX.XX called an IP address And no can really be prosecuted based on a number being associated with a torrent tracker (no matter how hard they try )

So until the thought police start breaking down our doors, this debate is one of ethical law, when in reality all that matters is practical law.

[applehacker]

There are loopholes in everything (ex. putting an apple sticker on your laptop [you know, from your ipod] and calling it "Apple Branded". In no way should it be downloaded w/o having the original copy. I for one support Apple, so I bought Leo. The only reason OS X86 exists is because Macs are SO FREAKING EXPENSIVE!!! Then again, it's apple's rep. to be expensive and top of the line. And, life is better customized. OS X86 is illegal. So what. Tons of illegal stuff LOADS worse than this exits unfortunately. Its a passion and a project for programmers and enthusiasts! It should be looked at as a learning experience, not as a pirating machine.

*On a side note*

The ideal system would be the vastness of Windows, with the GUI and security of OS X, and the freedom of linux.

[Josh Fee]

In an ideal world there Macs would be free and there would be no such thing as piracy It's nice to dream

I guess we'll just have to wait for Google to release that OS

[mac09hack]

Mash, on Jul 24 2006, 01:12 PM, said:

The Debate

These questions are meant to stimulate a thoughtful discussion and (hopefully) present a few points you hadn't thought of. As always, these debates are open to the entire Mac community, so we'll look forward to hearing from some folks who normally don't post 'round these parts.

What say you?

As a very long time macintosh user, I will speculate that Apple knew full well, that when they made the switch from a proprietary Motorola CPU and chipset to a common used PC Intel Motherboard and chipset; that they would expect someone to disable the simple SMC chip protection that was supposed to not let anyone load MacOS X onto a PC.

Heck Anyway - The operating system came from the Next system which Steve Jobs built in the time he was away from Apple and the Next was an Intel box.

I can also speculate that PC users getting ahold of MacOS X caused many to buy a macintosh for reliability as we all know that it takes more upkeep to keep MacOS X running on a plain PC than it does on a true macintosh.

I have worked in the computer industry for many years and touched many different types of computers. Making my own MacHack was a passion, just to learn about how MacOS X starts up and runs.

[JaS]

mac09hack, on May 15 2010, 08:32 PM, said:

As a very long time macintosh user, I will speculate that Apple knew full well, that when they made the switch from a proprietary Motorola CPU and chipset to a common used PC Intel Motherboard and chipset; that they would expect someone to disable the simple SMC chip protection that was supposed to not let anyone load MacOS X onto a PC.

Heck Anyway - The operating system came from the Next system which Steve Jobs built in the time he was away from Apple and the Next was an Intel box.

I can also speculate that PC users getting ahold of MacOS X caused many to buy a macintosh for reliability as we all know that it takes more upkeep to keep MacOS X running on a plain PC than it does on a true macintosh.

I have worked in the computer industry for many years and touched many different types of computers. Making my own MacHack was a passion, just to learn about how MacOS X starts up and runs.

I agree with this