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Since the Mac OS X torrents have been for many months without Apple doing anything about it
tells me that they know they are gaining hardware sales out of this gig.
Lets face it, the number of geeks able to install Tiger on a pc is VERY limited and therefore no
threat to Apple in any way. Thanks Steve for your "live and let live" attitude. We have taken
NOTHING from your inventory.

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Since the Mac OS X torrents have been for many months without Apple doing anything about it
tells me that they know they are gaining hardware sales out of this gig.
Lets face it, the number of geeks able to install Tiger on a pc is VERY limited and therefore no
threat to Apple in any way. Thanks Steve for your "live and let live" attitude. We have taken
NOTHING from your inventory.

theres too many to take down 1, and 2, most torrent sites are out of dcma's reach, such as the pirate bay.... so they dont give a :construction: what apple says to do...... so thats skewed, but man do you idolize that stevie boy..... :D

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Im just "one more" of those that tried OSX on my PC, loved it, and bought a Mac. If it wasn't for this project, I'd still be using only PCs. So, Apple, InsanelyMac is good for you. :huh:

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I would like a legal version of OSx86, however as has been previously stated Apple is a hardware firm and as such it doesn't make business sense to allow a software product designed for their systems only to be released on a general x86 platform. Why? Well people would want OSX and not the pricey hardware it's installed on so people would buy just the OS instead and not use the hardware. This would equal problems for Apple's books as hardware sales drop while software sales will rise. But it's probably not going to make enough of a difference in the extra software income to overcome the loss of hardware income. However Apple as we have seen can be very shrewd and I'm sure with some creative rules Apple, with the help of this site could get an offciail OSx86 running with a marginal profit. Even if they have to sell it through this site with a limited quota.


Bollocks!

Software has a higher profit margin than hardware. ANY PC OEM could tell you that.

Some real figures (I've spend most of my carreer in retail and distribution of PC-parts so I know what I'm talking about). On the generic PC market in Belgium (where I live) the common margins on hardware sales are around 5% while margins on software are 20% and more.

Also the costs involved are much less with software (mainly contains man-hours). While on the hardware side there's the cost of the components used that eats a big portion of the total cost of a product. So if Apple would ditch the "pricey hardware" and only live from the software margins it would probably be in much better shape (before the iPod boom) and didn't need that MicroSoft cash injection awhile ago.

Also in Apple's case. There are 2 sides. There's the USA where Apple has its own stores. And where they have their margins spread over the entire product-line (from assembling to and including retail) so they have a minimum of 20% margins on the hardware product. In this case Apple would be foolish not to anchor their software to the hardware to generate even bigger total margins. And even then in the US prices for Apple products are significantly cheaper then in the rest o/t world.

In europe the situation is slightly different because there are NO apple-funded or Apple-owned Apple stores. So if Apple demands the same overal margin of 20% then the (independant) retailer probably has between 2% to 5% margin on it AND higher retail prices in Europe than in the US! In the case of the iPod (Apple biggest selling product to date) its ridiculous if you see what small/lousy margins the shopkeepers have and yet they are the first line of support if the damn thing breaks down (or the customer has other queries).

Nonetheless the margins on software are much higher then on harware even in the European Apple retail-channels. Remember that Apple's reputation of being high-priced mainly comes from non-US retail-channels. The only problem on software is that a portion of your profit is lost due to piracy. But decreasing prices generates a higher volume-sale which compensate for the loss of profit in piracy. The trick is to find the right ballance between retail-price and profit that discourages ppl to make illegal copies. There are several ways to tackle this.

1) If your retailprice is too high and you won't lower it then you (the developper) resort to copy-protection or other restricive measures or add insignificant options which don't actually add to the base product to justify the high asking price.
2) if the price is too high and you want to lower it. Lower to the threshold that generates the best volume-sales with good margin.
3) Lower it to generate the max in volume sale (so that the average user won't go through the hassle of hacking and cracking since it's so cheap). Which compensates for the lower profit margins.

some examples:

1) is what the music and film industry do. Helped with funded organisations like RIAA and SABAM, BAF etc.
2) is what Sony has done with the PS2 and PS3.
3) is what the DELL for example does.

I believe (and said it before) that there are other reasons why Apple won't target the generic PC market which probably have nothing to do with our assumptions. I mean it's clear that Apple CAN make OSX run on virtually any piece of hardware. As it runs now on

PPC
Intel (or Intel compatible processors)
ARM (or ARM-compatible processors)

I firmly believe that we'll sooner see OSX (or should I say iPhone-OS) through non-Apple channels in other applainces then on generic PC's (E.g. via future Motorola RZOR-like products). This in direct competetion with Pocket PC-Windows CE variants.

In the future there might not be a desktop OS-war but it doesn't mean other "markets" are "safe" :-)
The iPhone clearly shows that Apple is willing to get OSX running on something else. And I doubt that Apple would be stupid enough to re-invent the wheel on a market which has far better players with far-superior products (the phone market is not the same as the MP3-player market which was basicly left alone by the major audio-developpers).
Yep, intresting times ahead :-)

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Saying that Apple hardware is too expensive is silly. If you shop even Dell for the same physical configuration, you will find that Apple hardware is even less expensive. Let's just go stock, shall we?

Macbook Pro

Specifications

2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo

2GB 667 DDR2 - 2x1GB SO-DIMMs

160GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm

SuperDrive 8x (DVDR DL/DVDRW/CD-RW)

MacBook Pro 17-inch Widescreen Display

8X CD/DVD Burner (DVD+/-RW) with double-layer DVD+R write capability

Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English

Integrated Audio

Total 2799.00USD

NEXT IS DELL

Dell XPS

XPS M1710

Intel Core™ 2 Duo T7600 (2.33GHz, 4MB L2 Cache, 667 MHz FSB) (not quite 2.4GHz, but close, big upgrade big bucks from Dell)

Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium (But you are going to put a crippled copy of OSX on it right?)

2GB DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHZ, 2 DIMM (Upgrade Cost a hundred or something)

Size: 160GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM) (Again, an Upgrade)

8X CD/DVD Burner (DVD+/-RW) with double-layer DVD+R write capability

Integrated Audio

Total 3413.00USD



Apple hardware is less expensive, and has a fully functional OS capable of handling triple boot configurations and so on.

You will find that point for point, Apple hardware is the best value in all comparisons.

As for used Intel stuff, comparable used Apple products are easy to find.

The bottom line-

Apple most certainly does not overcharge for the hardware they build.

If you feel this way, then you are just greedy, and want something for free.

Case #2

PowerMac Pro

TWO 2.0GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon

1GB (2 x 512MB)

250GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s

NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT 256MB (single-link DVI/dual-link DVI)

One 16x SuperDrive

Built in Audio and FireWire

Apple Keyboard and Mighty Mouse - U.S. English

Mac OS X - U.S. English

Total 2,200USD

Again, DELL

Dell Precision 490

Dual Core Intel Xeon Processor 5130 2.00GHz, 4MB L2,1333

Dual Core Intel Xeon Processor 5130 2.00GHz, 4MB L2,1333

Genuine Windows XP Professional, SP2 with Media

256MB PCIe x16 ATI FireGL V7200, Dual DVI or Dual VGA or DVI + VGA

1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 667MHz, ECC (2 DIMMS)

16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD™ and Roxio Creator™ Dell Ed

C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 or 2 drive total configuration

250GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM NCQ Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst Cache™

No Monitor

2,546.00USD

Again, Apple is the best value.

If you are complaining that Apple hardware is too expensive, then you are just a bum trying to get something for free.

And no, you cannot justify theft of the OS by using hardware prices as your excuse, not even here.

You are broke, have no money, want someone to give you a Mac Pro for 300 bucks, and it's not going to happen.

If you are messing with OSx86 for the fun of it, or to better understand the OS, or to test drive it prior to buying your next computer, or to make OS X on Intel better in some way, then ok by me (I do not speak for Apple)

But if you are trying to excuse yourself from purchasing the real thing by using Apple hardware cost as your excuse, I have to stop you there.

But other than that, I am glad to see everyone using Mac software. Welcome to the family.

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If you're going to buy a fraggin Dell, then yeah, you won't save much. But not everyone is a DellSheep.

Let's see - at LAST YEAR's prices:

DFI LanParty NF4 Ultra D - $109
AMD Opteron 170 (2.0ghz) - $169 (overclock to 2.8ghz - FREE)
2gb Patriot DDR PC4000 - Bought 3 years ago, let's say $200?
320gb Seagate 7200.10 SATA2 Drive - $94.99
Case - $10 Ultra Aluminus (after rebate)
Video Card - ATI X1950XT 256mb - $169
PSU - Ultra 600Watt - $99
21" Sony Trinitron FLAT CRT (on ebay) - $24 (no shipping, locally picked up)
17" Dell Trinitron FLAT CRT - Free, given to me.
ASUS DVD-RW: $35
Logitech S510 Media Desktop & Remote (wireless keyboard/mouse/remote) : $23.07 on sale.

Includes DUAL onboard GIGABIT lan. Includes onboard firewire, USB 2.0.

Let's see... my total - $933. Add in various fans and such, and you MIGHT be around $1000.

Now - show me a Mac that costs $933 or anywhere even close that is even close to as powerful as my box, and I'll show you a liar.

Not meaning to be nasty, but the truth is the truth, and Apple hardware IS overpriced. Sure, if you have the money and want to pay for it, especially if you're not technically inclined enough to build your own system, then go for it. But I'm not going to spend 3x as much for the same basic abilities.

Additionally, I did not lay out $933 all at once. The system was built in stages. The moitor I've had for years. The memory came from a previous system. The HD was a later upgrade. The video card is the 3rd card I've had in this system. The DVD drive was an upgrade from an earlier one. And, in the future, I can just slip in new hardware is it becomes available rather than having to lay out the cash for an entirely new system.

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So what you are really saying is that ALL pre-built computers are overpriced...which is probably true, but it's not Apple's fault.

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So what you are really saying is that ALL pre-built computers are overpriced...which is probably true, but it's not Apple's fault.

Seriously.

How can you in all seriousness compare a pre-built computer to something that you essentially made from spare parts?

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Seriously.

How can you in all seriousness compare a pre-built computer to something that you essentially made from spare parts?


The point is, I'm not going to spend that much money on hardware. I WOULD buy the OS if it were available seperately for hardware that is custom built. And I'd hardly say "spare parts" - I selected all the components in my system specifically for the specs and performance I wanted, and it delivers.

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IMO both of you are right. Apple Notebooks and Mac Pros aren't too pricey for what you get. But there aren't any alternatives for the desktop sector. Minimacs are {censored}. So are iMacs, beside that they're also :) ugly. Even on the desk of a dentist's secretary it looks like a design-accident..

I would really appreciate it, if apple would close that gap.

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I disagree. I think Jobs already knows what your saying, but just doesnt care. Why should he support every piece of hardware out there? Why should he have programmers waste time on hardware that's not what he/his engineers designed. Right now, if he were to be asked why non-standard hardware's not supported, all he has to do is say "Because it wasnt designed for running on that hardware. Why should we support it? It's not what we designed."

It's his company's proprietary OS, there is no reason whatsoever that he should be told what he can and cant do with it. It's not like Apple has a monopoly of any sorts in the OS market.


This is the exact reason why I don't understand apple and their ways. Seriously, think about it. Microsoft makes an OS that is compatiable with 99.9% of all PCs on the market (wether its windows 95 or windows vista). It has an OS that is compatiable. Therefore, Gates and Microsoft make the most money and get labled monopolists for basically being capitalists. Yes the OSes may be edgy in the beginning, and may need a little better hardware every now and then, but they generally work for 99.9% of the worlds computing needs.

But, Wisniak and Jobs are hailed as heros and revolutionaries because they create an OS that is truely visual pleasing, not to mention incrediably stable for long periods of time. One problem, you MUST and I mean MUST buy their incredibly over priced hardware to run their wonderful OS. That is monopolistic. That is taking a product that could and I think should be available to everyone, and making it available to only people rich enough to afford it. That is pretty much booting 80% of computer hardware manufactures to the curb, because they think theirs is superior. Which in the pure capitalist way, is true, and they could legally do that, since they did start out as a Hardware Company.

Yet, when law suites come up, they are against Microsoft. For their built in search function in Vista. Um... hey google there has been something similar to that in another highly popular (but not highly distributed OS mind you) for years. But all people see is success and want to bring it down. Apple has had success but on a very minor scale compared to Microsoft.

So to the questions.

Downloading software, music, videos, and even operating systems in my mind is purely legal. I figure every thing on the internet or available through the internet (basically not in a hard copy form) is a non entity. It has no real being. You cannot touch it. If I went into an Apple Store and took a copy of OS X off the shelf and walked out with out paying, I stole it. I physically took something of being. Online, I cannot physically take it, it can be duplicated. There is no way to control it. I predict that one of two things will happen in the future about things on the internet that cannot be considered a physical entity. 1.) Companies will stop caring. They will just move on and promote the fact. Realizing hey, it I set up this bit torrent server and just let everyone download songs/software/videos for free. They will see advertising that I get paid for. Or they may just find other alternatives. 2.)There will be a major crack down and lockup of all non entity copyrighted material. It would basically govermental control of the internet on a major scale.

No I do not feel morally wrong for having OSx86 on my PC. And actually, I just bought and iBook off ebay for my mom. The funny part is that I am going to update it to Panther via a copy of the install cds that I downloaded via torrent.

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But, Wisniak and Jobs are hailed as heros and revolutionaries because they create an OS that is truely visual pleasing, not to mention incrediably stable for long periods of time. One problem, you MUST and I mean MUST buy their incredibly over priced hardware to run their wonderful OS. That is monopolistic. That is taking a product that could and I think should be available to everyone, and making it available to only people rich enough to afford it. That is pretty much booting 80% of computer hardware manufactures to the curb, because they think theirs is superior. Which in the pure capitalist way, is true, and they could legally do that, since they did start out as a Hardware Company.


Now I'm curious, I posted in a different thread and got blasted for even suggesting Apple's were more expensive than PC's.
http://forum.insanel...o...60386&st=40

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Now I'm curious, I posted in a different thread and got blasted for even suggesting Apple's were more expensive than PC's.
http://forum.insanel...o...60386&st=40

many people here are die-hard apple fans(including me). now, i love the new leopard interface, love the iphone, love the softened colors of the new ipod nano(colors). now i have to be honest here, i dont rly care how much the computer costs, in fact i had my old macbook pro for just over a year. but apple does have very good prices on their ipods, computers, and (now) iphones. the macbooks seem expensive for a starting point of $1100, but when u see the $700 hp or dell laptops, it prolly has like 512 MB ram, 60 GB hard drive @ 4200 rpm. the macbooks have a lot of features for the price. also apple computers have this new thing, its called the apple store, no other company has that(well one does but they arent that good anyway). i haved <3 apple when i got my blueberry imac with os 9.1 TAKE THAT VISTA

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I work in IT here in Australia and while Mac wasn't a part of my life till early this year, here in Aus many of us (myself included) never even see macs

But after doing a lot of research and needing to get a laptop for work I took the plunge and bought a Macbook and now I would never go back! I run a pretty high spec PC and I still prefer to use my MAC for pretty much EVERYTHING!

As I said I'm only putting my point forward as an Aussie, but I was always under the impression that mac's were good, but software and compatibility in a Windows world was an issue, but I've never needed to use my copy of Parallels once as everything I've needed I've found a Mac alternative that is just as good, if not better than it's PC counterpart

Yes Mac's are a little expensive (here anyways), but you have to remember that each mac is configured with software and basically pretty much EVERYTHING the average user would ever need program wise, to use straight away out of the box, and without spending a whole lot of cash on extra software

I really hope the mac market increases here in Aus, because I truly believe now is the time that Apple are on the rise

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many people here are die-hard apple fans(including me). now, i love the new leopard interface, love the iphone, love the softened colors of the new ipod nano(colors). now i have to be honest here, i dont rly care how much the computer costs, in fact i had my old macbook pro for just over a year. but apple does have very good prices on their ipods, computers, and (now) iphones. the macbooks seem expensive for a starting point of $1100, but when u see the $700 hp or dell laptops, it prolly has like 512 MB ram, 60 GB hard drive @ 4200 rpm. the macbooks have a lot of features for the price. also apple computers have this new thing, its called the apple store, no other company has that(well one does but they arent that good anyway). i haved <3 apple when i got my blueberry imac with os 9.1 TAKE THAT VISTA


WRONG!!!!!!

I bought my Acer Aspire 5100 Laptop 6 months ago with these specs:

Windows XP Media Center Edition
AMD Turion 64 (yes 64 bit) MK-36 processor
1GB of RAM
80 GB HDD
DVD Burner/CD Burner Combo Drive
15.4" LCD Screen
Card Reader
Wireless Internet Built In
All the goodies basically

It cost me $600 plus shipping from NEWEGG.

Lets see a brand spanking new MacBook with thoses specs or quite similar for 600 dollars USD. You can't. And by the way yes I know Win XP MCE does not take advantage of the 64 bit technology, but anytime I want I can upgrade to XP 64 bit or Vista 64 bit.

With consideration to the iPods and mp3 players, you are wrong once agian.

I love my zune with its large bright screen, iPods blow and are overpriced in comparison.

PROOF: http://www.walmart.c...catNavId=538310

What is that? A 30GB Zune for $199 and an 4GB iPod nano for $197. I can't but help to laugh at your ignorance.

I do not hate apple, and as a matter of fact, I enjoy some of apples products (ie. their operating system), but to call their products normal priced is absolutely ignorant. If apples products had run of the mill prices, don't you think everyone would own an apple pc.

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Hackintosh is just wrong. So is downloading any apple software that has been released for us to buy. (have leo builds..but I can't buy that yet) Apple should be supported by us. If we are all diehard Mac users..then lets support them and buy their products!

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Hackintosh is just wrong.
then lets support them and buy their products!


Then what are you doing on a forum dedicated to it??

It's not likely I'll every buy Apple hardware, way too over priced, despite what Apple fan's say. Not to mention their habit of turning out {censored} hardware, then deleting posts on their support forums about it. A hackintosh is the best of both worlds, inexpensive, reliable PC hardware, and OSX.

I feel sorry for those that bought a MacBook Pro!
http://www.appledefe...tle=MacBook_Pro

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AMD Turion 64 (yes 64 bit) MK-36 processor
1GB of RAM
80 GB HDD
DVD Burner/CD Burner Combo Drive
15.4" LCD Screen
Card Reader
Wireless Internet Built In
All the goodies basically

It cost me $600 plus shipping from NEWEGG.


Why are you comparing a Turion CPU to a C2D? If you're going to compare you should at least go for the same components. Apple hardware costs a little more but the difference isn't that big nowadays.

And to those of you who compare the iMac to your home built gamer PC - get real and stop comparing pineapples to kiwis. The iMac is a unique product. If you appreciate what it has to offer over a conventional system you know it's worth the extra bit of money.

1) It's dead quiet. I've been fighting against computer noise since I got my first desktop system. I see words like 'ultra quiet' all the time in the world of desktop computers and it's just marketing {censored}. My machine is reasonably quiet now after I got a fanless psu and a zalman cpu cooler, installed a modified case fan (runs even slower than the default limit) and set OS X to turn off harddrives when they aren't in use, but still... Some people appreciate a really quiet computer, and the iMac offers that right out of the box.

2) It's very clean, compact and stylish. Not everyone is a computer geek who likes to have masses of cables and different boxes lying around (and making noise).

3) It's a Mac. If you want to be *guaranteed* to be able to use OS X to its full potential without bothering with hacks etc you have to buy a real Mac. Some people think this is worth a little extra cash.

There are, of course, bad things about a closed system as well. But the point is that you should compare neither the iMac nor its price to a conventional a Windows machine. Especially not a home built one.

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Why are you comparing a Turion CPU to a C2D? If you're going to compare you should at least go for the same components. Apple hardware costs a little more but the difference isn't that big nowadays.


Why am I comparing a Turion to a C2D?

Because I get the same functionality. My Acer performs just as well if not better than any MacBook out there. Yes, it is not the hollowed Core 2 Duo, but most applications on both Windows and Mac do not take advantage of it. I have seen this myself. My wife has an Acer lappy with a Core2Dou and it is the same speed wise as mine. I have also played with several MacBooks that have Core2Dous, guess what same speed, same feel.

And to those of you who compare the iMac to your home built gamer PC - get real and stop comparing pineapples to kiwis. The iMac is a unique product. If you appreciate what it has to offer over a conventional system you know it's worth the extra bit of money.


That is merely opinion....

1) It's dead quiet. I've been fighting against computer noise since I got my first desktop system. I see words like 'ultra quiet' all the time in the world of desktop computers and it's just marketing {censored}. My machine is reasonably quiet now after I got a fanless psu and a zalman cpu cooler, installed a modified case fan (runs even slower than the default limit) and set OS X to turn off harddrives when they aren't in use, but still... Some people appreciate a really quiet computer, and the iMac offers that right out of the box.


A lot of computer companies offer that right out of the box... every single dell desktop I have ever come in contact with was silent, absolutely silent.

2) It's very clean, compact and stylish. Not everyone is a computer geek who likes to have masses of cables and different boxes lying around (and making noise).


Again, that is merely opinion....

Compact, Ok, I give you that. But clean and stylish, that is merely opinion. That is what Steve Jobs and Apple are counting on. That dumb douche bags buy there computer based on that it is only "clean" and "stylish". That it is the hip thing and people want to be in the crowd because they are soulless, lifeless, and patetic teenagers. What about performance and functionality per cost. Opportunity costs is what life is about, and per costs any IBM PC is a better opportunity cost than an APPLE PC. *NOTE: not everyone is a rich little snot who gets everything from their parents, I personally am paying my own way through college... GOO UCF KNIGHTS!!!!


3) It's a Mac. If you want to be *guaranteed* to be able to use OS X to its full potential without bothering with hacks etc you have to buy a real Mac. Some people think this is worth a little extra cash.


It's a Mac. See above comments.^^^^^

I am guaranteed to use OS X. Oh, but not without hacks... Um, what is this forum dedicated too... Oh yeah Hacked Macs... OSx86, not OS X. And trust me, it is not worth the extra cash if you have a budget, see comments above...^^^^^^

There are, of course, bad things about a closed system as well. But the point is that you should compare neither the iMac nor its price to a conventional a Windows machine. Especially not a home built one.


But, they are both Personal Computers wether you like it or not, and they directly compete wether you like it or not. Apple computers are no different than IBM PCs. They do damn near the same things, function almost the same way. And both connect to an iPod... Sorry I had to make myself giggle.

With all this said, I am a supporter of everything Apple, Windows, Linux, and what the hell ever else is out there. There is nothing that says more about the American way (yeah, start blasting me, I said it, the American way) than choice. The more variety the better. It makes it more fun for me in the long run and I get to sit here and debate on this nonsense all day long.

Current List of Phun (take that Jobs, you aren't the only cool person, ahahaha) Devices:

Custom Built IBM PC (it is an IBM, because it does not only run Windows, therefore not a Windows PC)
Canon Pixma ip5000 printer
Xbox 360
Microsoft Zune
Apple iBook G3 (recently sold)
Apple PowerBook G3 (old school, OS X 9)
Nintendo Wii
Acer Lappy and my wife's Acer Lappy
My Wife's Dell Desktop
My RCA 27 inch low def tv... and on and on...

All of these things have been acquire overtime as gifts and personal purchases. The point was to justify that I am a supporter of all things that are things... Keep on macKIN' every one!!!

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Well, I got OSx86 because I wanted the Mac experience, but not on such fragile hardware (I managed to do over $1000 of damage to a high-end Aluminum Powerbook in a year). My view on the topic is that Apple won't provide the hardware I need at all, so I use my own with their software. I can't step into the rest because I live in China- even if Apple cared and wanted to do anything, they can't- even the resellers point people to OSx86 (discs at the ready) when people say "it's so good, but the price..." which shows what kind of IP laws exist in China.

My setup-
$2000-
Panasonic Toughbook CF-T5
1.2GHz Core Solo
512MB RAM
10/100 Ethernet
12in LCD
SD card reader
Intel Wireless (doesn't work)
about 6hrs of battery life

Works rather nicely for me, and it's fanless too. If Apple would make their own version of Toughbook I'd be back with them in a heartbeat, but they don't, so yay for OSx86.





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