Laik's Virginizer for Kalyway 10.5.1

[chachawpi]

I don't know if this is a Kalyway issue, an issue with the "virginizer", or something completely different. Whenever I try to install the Burning Crusade expansion I get a kernel panic at around 20%. I also got a number of kernel panics during the downloading of the installer. Only with Burning Crusade mind you.

 

It gets weirder. I get the same kernel panics when using my retail CD's. I tried disabling everything I could think of in BIOS but nothing seemed to work. When the Burning Crusader downloader and/or installer aren't running, the system seems to be perfectly stable. It ran all night without a kernel panic. The game worked fine in ToH, so I don't know what the issue is. It certainly is a strange one. Going to try it again without running virginizer and see if I get different results.

[Donw35]

This patch killed my install on my HP NC8230, just sticks on the gray apple screen now and does not go into gui anymore, no big deal though, I can just re-install Kalyway, I didn't add any of my stuff to it yet.

 

I will just stick to changing the background and colors in finder. I can live with the programs added as this Kalyway install fixes issues I was having with ToH RC2.

[Laik]

chachawpi, virginizer just restores files from original installation.

I only wrote a script that automates restore. It shouldn't have any effects like this.

[dnjmarlboro]

I simply changed background to white (default) and used candybar to restore all original icons - not too much hazzle.

[Foodie Monster]

thankz for this patch but..

why somebody would like to remove vlc or transmission or the other 5,6 handy apps that come with kalyway?

you would use another player for videos? another client for torrents? another client for irc? etc etc

couldn't somebody right click and "change backround" or right click and set the orange at the folders to white?

for the dock onyx does a gr8 job and it also change the genie effect to a better one (like genie but smoother)

anyway patches are allways welcome , i just say my opinion

 

Any video players are useless, because it already comes with Perian, which adds all the codecs for QuickTime. Transmission I could've lived with, but doesn't matter - I run uTorrent on CrossOver Mac anyway. About the background stuff, the problem with Kaly is that it removed the original background, and changed ALL the icons on the system for ugly ones, which is part of what this patch fixes. I for one, welcomed this patch because I don't like being given an OS with pre-installed {censored}: I like to crappify it myself.

[Dr. Hurt]

Oh finally some people who understand me. I always wanted to restore Leopard to it original "virgin" state.

Anyway, thanks and looking forward to your next patch.

Also, very cool name you used.

[spanakorizo]

ahh sorry i didn't know about the icons (ok i should read it in the 1st post )

what kind of icons ? can you post a screenshot?

[PizzaPooch]

Hi!

 

 

 

Thx for the virginizer.

 

Sadly, I have a problem that I hope you can help me fix.

 

I ran the virginizer like I had to, but now, my finder menu bar (at the top of the screen) is english. My default system language is german. All other apps (system ones included) are german - ONLY the finder changed to english.

 

I tried to change the language in the preference pane (International), but still nothing

 

 

 

I hope you can help me with that. Looks really terrible - everything's german, except the finder.

 

 

 

Tia,

 

Christian

 

edit:

yeehaa - I reinstalled the german language package and now it works

Hope, this can be useful to other persons too.

[Laik]

PizzaPooch, yeh, I just wanted to suggest you this, but you got that yourself

Just reinstall the regional package.

[jzaw]

pizzapooch

 

go to the international preference pane

under the language tab

in the list

drag your prefered language to the top of the list

log out and relog in

 

your apps should appear in your prefered language

 

btw

i usually delete all the languages i dont use from that list

and just leave myself with English and Polish

 

hth

 

2nd btw THANKS Lalk for virginizer

it automated what i was going to do by hand

 

in a second version you might put a yes/no question on each of the additional apps that are installed

i removed some but not all of them

 

for instance in my case vlc handles Polish subtitles better than mplayer or qt so i like to keep a number of different media players hanging around to see how each one performs

[Laik]

jzaw, great idea, thanx.

[kaly]

loooooool!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ha ha! change background window color and desktop background in two click! you want install osx system hack on pc and don't know how change a back ground and icons! loool i laughingggggg i understanf for background and icons but remove the 50 meg extra sofware is idiot !!!!! really your virginizer make people more confused ! and can messed up the system

 

kalyway adds=50 meg and virginizer=69 meg ????? loool whoa i can make a clean script = 100 kb ! lol vlc handle some video format that perian don't handle!

 

how can you unarchive rar or sitx without stuffit or better zip ? how can can you add files in zip without better zip ?

 

how can you connect to irc for osx86 support without colloquy? etc!! you just don't know what you talk about ! don't want to hurt you ! but your app is useless ! lets people learn how change icons and background ! and after this they will know how customizing their osx system ! and if some people don't want adds they just to drop files in trash! lol

[-DuNe-]

honestly, can you explain me why your patch touch the system files ? there are neither applications nor patches that touching the system in kalyway.

They are just addons. Is anyone from you have ever installed a real Leo on a real Macintosh ?. Apple install by default more {censored} demo applications than we did. And why do you talk about com.apple.boot.plist ??? this one is the original.

And for uninstall an application, you have just to do right-click and right to trash.....(Unless you don't know where is your right button)

 

Applications we have inserted are not a fantasy choice. Each of them will help you one day.

for exemple Betterzip is far better than the original system unzipper.

VLC is here because quicktime can not handle as many video formats than VLC does, even if perian is there.

KextHelper brings an easy way to insert Extensions files. For noobs, it is a must.

PPF-O-MATIC is here because we will give all updates for the original iso with it.

 

That was just some exemples. so, stop please to complain about addons, they do not hurt the system at all.

The graphical part is not patched as you might think. the background color is just changed in a system way.

you can bring back original color in 2 clicks. so for summarize , the only thing we changed, are Icons and the background picture. Waaaooww, what a dangerous patch !!!

Furthermore some of you seems to think that we changed the color of hardrive icons. If you see Orange icons, that is normal . AHCI do that , because it brings Hot Plug capabilities. So don't try to turn them into internal Hd color.

 

To get back original icons, just download candybar and do a restore Icons.

 

So now, if you want to mess up your Leo, it is your choice.

[TonyMo]

Dune31 and Kaly,

 

Laik has just as much right to offer his work to the community as you have, so stop laying into him when he is just fulfilling other people's needs...

 

The only people who have "messed up Leo" is yourselves I'm afraid. When you get down off your high horses, maybe you should consider what people really want from an installer, rather than you telling them what they they think they want.

 

Most people are just looking for an easy way to install a virgin system on their rig. When you have to deal with debugging issues post install, it's easier when you know that the installer developer hasn't gone around hot-rodding the look and design, and possibly introducing instabilities elsewhere.

 

When you are faced with orange windows and weird desktops images, how are we to know thats all you did? Looking closer, one can see that icons were also changed. Just download candybar you say? Well why isn't that in your beloved list of installed apps to begin with? You argument doesn't hold water.

 

As for you saying that no system files are touched with your install, then where are the Leopard voices in the Speech control panel? Alex is missing for instance... does Candaybar put that back too? I doubt it.... What else do I need to worry about now?

 

The easy way to avoid this whole issue, is for you guys to simply add an "Install Kalyway recommended apps" option on your installer... solved, everyone should be happy.

[mtwo]

i tried Laiks virginizer .. and lost my boot option to windows vista..

and i dont really like to reinstall leo again

[Foodie Monster]

loooooool!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ha ha! change background window color and desktop background in two click! you want install osx system hack on pc and don't know how change a back ground and icons! loool i laughingggggg i understanf for background and icons but remove the 50 meg extra sofware is idiot !!!!! really your virginizer make people more confused ! and can messed up the systemkalyway adds=50 meg and virginizer=69 meg ????? loool whoa i can make a clean script = 100 kb ! lol vlc handle some video format that perian don't handle!how can you unarchive rar or sitx without stuffit or better zip ? how can can you add files in zip without better zip ?how can you connect to irc for osx86 support without colloquy? etc!! you just don't know what you talk about ! don't want to hurt you ! but your app is useless ! lets people learn how change icons and background ! and after this they will know how customizing their osx system ! and if some people don't want adds they just to drop files in trash! lol

 

Sorry Kaly, your release is AMAZING, no doubt, it works like a charm, but I don't like software to be pre-installed on my system. The icons were ugly, you removed the default desktop which is pretty and added programs that I might not even use. Sure, his code might've been able to be cleaner and even make an option to KEEP the software, but it worked wonders to me, now I have your great release without all that bloat that I personally didn't need.

 

Hope you understand, there's no offense intended here.

 

honestly, can you explain me why your patch touch the system files ? there are neither applications nor patches that touching the system in kalyway.They are just addons. Is anyone from you have ever installed a real Leo on a real Macintosh ?. Apple install by default more {censored} demo applications than we did. And why do you talk about com.apple.boot.plist ??? this one is the original.And for uninstall an application, you have just to do right-click and right to trash.....(Unless you don't know where is your right button)Applications we have inserted are not a fantasy choice. Each of them will help you one day.for exemple Betterzip is far better than the original system unzipper.VLC is here because quicktime can not handle as many video formats than VLC does, even if perian is there.KextHelper brings an easy way to insert Extensions files. For noobs, it is a must.PPF-O-MATIC is here because we will give all updates for the original iso with it.That was just some exemples. so, stop please to complain about addons, they do not hurt the system at all.The graphical part is not patched as you might think. the background color is just changed in a system way.you can bring back original color in 2 clicks. so for summarize , the only thing we changed, are Icons and the background picture. Waaaooww, what a dangerous patch !!!Furthermore some of you seems to think that we changed the color of hardrive icons. If you see Orange icons, that is normal . AHCI do that , because it brings Hot Plug capabilities. So don't try to turn them into internal Hd color.To get back original icons, just download candybar and do a restore Icons.So now, if you want to mess up your Leo, it is your choice.

 

As I said to Kaly, the release is great, but personally I like my system to be as "virgin" as it can be, because I want to be responsible of whatever software is installed. If you guys had provided a menu option in the installer, and I didn't see it, then I suck {censored} and fail. But I don't think you guys did, and I got no use for all that software you mentioned, personally. But my biggest gripe wasn't the software as I said abov, but the icons and the fact that the original wallpaper was removed, and I like those far more than I like the ones that come with Kaly. The orange background I fixed in like 2 clicks, as you guys said, and that was no problem. Also, I believe the About This Mac had a different graphic without the text, (maybe I'm wrong), which this patch fixed as well.

 

And yes, I own a MacBook, owned an iBook, I know Apple can install a lot of {censored} by default, but you get the choice to install it. So it's not that farfetched that, if you guys install it with no way of NOT installing it, we'd want to be able to get rid of it. It's just a matter of choice. I get my software on an "As Is, As Needed" basis. Plus, I have the Kaly DVD, I can always install the apps back from there if I need to.

 

All i'm saying, we'd have liked the choice, and Laik's patch gave us the choice without having to hunt for CandyBar (possibly cracking it), search the original wallpaper, manually removing all the apps, etc. So don't be mad at him, he did what you guys could've done in your DVD: provide an option to not install the extras.

 

Keep up the good work tho, I love and swear by Kaly's DVD, it's by far the best installation of OS X I've ever done on a Hackintosh. Cheers.

[-DuNe-]

Dune31 and Kaly,

 

Laik has just as much right to offer his work to the community as you have, so stop laying into him when he is just fulfilling other people's needs...

 

The only people who have "messed up Leo" is yourselves I'm afraid. When you get down off your high horses, maybe you should consider what people really want from an installer, rather than you telling them what they they think they want.

 

Most people are just looking for an easy way to install a virgin system on their rig. When you have to deal with debugging issues post install, it's easier when you know that the installer developer hasn't gone around hot-rodding the look and design, and possibly introducing instabilities elsewhere.

 

When you are faced with orange windows and weird desktops images, how are we to know thats all you did? Looking closer, one can see that icons were also changed. Just download candybar you say? Well why isn't that in your beloved list of installed apps to begin with? You argument doesn't hold water.

 

As for you saying that no system files are touched with your install, then where are the Leopard voices in the Speech control panel? Alex is missing for instance... does Candaybar put that back too? I doubt it.... What else do I need to worry about now?

 

The easy way to avoid this whole issue, is for you guys to simply add an "Install Kalyway recommended apps" option on your installer... solved, everyone should be happy.

 

Just a question: did you pay something to have the kalyway release ? i doubt..

It's funny , you react like someone who paid something.

So we messed up leo ? then buy a real Mac.

It seems that in the Read Me, we recommand to buy Leopard. So if you did it, all the voice and printers addons that missing in our release can be found on the original Leo DVD. I doubt you realise all the works we did to make this release.

Our reaction comes from the fact that Laik didn't touch us for make his Appli, because we know what we changed and to avoid to touch things that have not to be touch. so if you think we haven't offered something good to this community, it is your opinion. but when i saw words like this , it gives the impression of having spend a lot of energy for nothing.

So, in your opinion, that's us who have introduced possible instabilities. i hope , you are kidding.... background color and icons change introduce instabilities,didn't know that....Look around you and see the posts "one" have his leo install broken by this appli , another his multiboot broken and this is we want to avoid. we try to be fair and rigorous to provide as much support as possible.

 

That's all

[kaly]

i have added all this crappy sofware !lol and you know you can buy a liscence of leopard if your not happy! are you virgin ? if you want a virgin system then buy a real mac !!!

[gabrigee]

last post was only a quote.

 

By the way I just want to thank you kaly for your time with the last release.

I installed it yestarday. Everything working.

 

And yes, I didn't like the customizations,but changing things back to defaults it is not a big deal.

 

I used the "virginizer" just because I'm new to Mac OS, and I guess I would have lost some time trying to figure out what was changed or added.

[kaly]

many many people have ask me to make leo release for noobz! and one or two personn make me think about stop my hard work !!! thx sincerly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

no time to waste with superficials comments !

 

bye!

[hups]

hi @ll folks,

 

first of all come down - everyone - theres no need for bad words and such an destructive attitude.

osx86 should be fun and no kind of whats good and whats bad taste.

 

in my opinion dune31 and kaly are absolutely right - and in their situation i would feel really offened too because of some guys who type harsh words cause they switched of their minds. they both made a great job and invested much time (and still do) in their release and its pretty awesome. best leo i installed until now. all applications have their good reason and its no big deal to get them of the system again but if some noobz would {censored} at my hard work in such a respectless manner (depends on some postings here - and i really dont mean laiks script at all) then i would also feel really angry.

i totally understand their reaction.

 

cause be honest to your self

- all osx pros have no problem to clean their system at their own in a few minutes

- all beginners only benefits from the installed applications and many of them didnt recognize that at all

- nevertheless laik´s script are usefull to some guys and i feel really sorry for him that his thread becomes a battlefield

 

so now be gentle to each other and stop flaming at all - this road otherwise leads to nowhere

just my 2 cents

//hups

[steadybootleggin]

this is the single best install dvd and, all the things that you may not like......CAN EASILY BE CHANGED!!

 

thanks Kaly,Dune31 and your whole team!

[Laik]

kaly, you've made an impressive programming work on this distro, but there are lots of people who want a unmodded look.

 

I'm not a programmer myself, but it was easy enough to get, that replacing CoreServices folder was the way to restore most of your modifications, so I didn't think a lot about this and just included this folder from retail apple instalation. I wish I knew about OSX as much as you do and could write a 100kb script, to restore system to original state, but I'm not that good, sorry. At least it does what its supposed to do right now.

 

Installing this 10 programs is as easy as removing them. Just drag 'em from the dmg to Applications folder. It's something everyone can do. Why force someone use old version of VLC? Why install an IRC client for everyone, when most people don't actually use it. Let people think for themselves and decide for themselves. At least give them an option in the install, how TonyMo proposed.

 

Dune31, i explained about the system files several times in this thread. I don't know an easier way to restore everything, then replacing CoreServices.

BTW, com.apple.boot.plist in kaly distro has a timeout, and that's not how Apple originally made it. I just replace com.apple.boot.plist with the one without timeout countdown.

 

I'm not complaining about anything. Did you see me whining to get everything back in kaly's distro thread? I asked if there's a way, no one replied, so I made a solution myself, for the people who need this. I'll quote myself if you don't mind: "Its like you ordered a canvas for your new masterpiece and had it shipped with someone's painting on it. You still can paint over, but it's not the same."

 

If you can make a 100kb solution for these people, that restores the system to original state, i'd be happy to see such a patch from creators and not make it myself.

 

Again, about messing up Leo. All files in my patch are taken from original Apple installation. The patch itself only copies them in place of modified ones.

 

mtwo, you lost your option to boot Vista because the boot timeout is gone. I'll make an option in next revision of the patch, so that com.apple.boot.plist file can be kept to keep booting timeout. By now, you can do the following:

 

1. Download this file

2. Unzip it

3. Replace the file /virginizer/Files/com.apple.boot.plist folder with the extracted one

4. run patch.command again

 

You should have OS selection timeout on restart. Enjoy!

 

If someone for some reason did not see this - I really think that kalyway 10.5.1 IS the best distro around currently. I appreciate kaly's hard work on this.

[-DuNe-]

Dune31, i explained about the system files several times in this thread. I don't know an easier way to restore everything, then replacing CoreServices.

BTW, com.apple.boot.plist in kaly distro has a timeout, and that's not how Apple originally made it. I just replace com.apple.boot.plist with the one without timeout countdown.

 

Yes but before do that. did you ask yourself why we did that ???

so if you have as much knowledge ( i didn't doubt on that, that is not the question) as kaly you might knows for what it is and why it is sad to change it. the darwin boot is very fast, and sometime you have to do an F8 for entering single user mode or others options, so we increase this time to let time to people for entering the darwin boot manually. so please don't touch it. Furthermore , those who use GFX string must save their plist. so in a practical view what is the gain to change it ?

By the way, you take CoreService from the DVD. but do you realise that we are in 10.5.1 and there are a lot of changes between 10.5.0 and 10.5.1? So inserting old CoreService is not a very good idea for stability. so when you talk about canvas i would say you had throw the entire paint pot on it. so at the end your Leopard look original but is completely messed up internaly.

So please, don't think we are rude people, your first intention is good, but before doing such things and make it public , contact us(in PM, or on IRC), that's the better way to avoid problems with the system.

[Laik]

Dune31

so in a practical view what is the gain to change it

 

8 seconds

 

Relax man. Its a joke. There are people who need my patch, there are people who don't. Let them use what they want.

I'll add this "timeout" as an option in the next revision of the patch, definitely.

 

BTW, maybe you and kaly can answer several tech questions, that keep me from releasing it?

 

1. Where are the user preferences defaults located? When you create a new user, its created with specific defaults. I need to know how can i edit the files that on creation go to ~/Library/Preferences/ of a new user. This would fix orange backgrounds for new users, not only for existing ones.

 

2. Where is wallpaper cache? For example, if you set your wallpaper to Aurora.jpg, and then delete the file, the wallpaper will stay even after reboot. Considering the file is not in place, system must be loading it from some cache. Maybe there's just some command that refreshes wallpaper?

 

Thank you