Laik's Virginizer for Kalyway 10.5.1

[TonyMo]

Dune31

 

Look, if I had paid for your release, I would have returned it instantly. The first thing I did was deinstall it off my system....

 

I don't mean to sound ungrateful, you did a great job with your release, you have my sincere respects on your skills and achievements, and I thank you for all you have done.

 

I just didn't understand the immature and mocking post your made earlier toward users of your installation. I'm afraid I just lost all respect for you guys at that point. All it would have took was a few helpful suggestions to Laik on how to improve the script, the mocking tone was unnecessary...

 

Peace and respect for all you have done though, sorry if I've offended to the point of upsetting you guys... my bad.

[Coelacanth]

@dune31

 

Is this what's gonna happen if someone would try to improve something for the community? Is it because Laik is a nobody, that's why he gets that mocking from u, experts? I just would ask, if Stell or MacGirl or Synthetix or Netkas will be the one to release the "virginizer", will they still get the same attitude that you guys gave to Laik? I guess not!

 

Please give others the chance to give something for the community. you were once noobs, and you were once a nobody. When you first give something to the community, did you get mocked because you did it? I am a noob myself and a nobody as well. I respect all the people who are supporting this forum, that's why i am trying to learn the ropes in making this thing work so that i can give something in return. besides, Laik is not the one who says bad things about the Kalyway Icons and other stuffs, It's the people who have used it, and i don't think he(she) deserves to be treated that way.

 

Please support and encourage those who are trying to help the community.

 

Coelacanth

[MeAngry]

I agree with Coelacanth, and others sharing the same opinion.

 

Kaly and Dune, surely you guys have made a nice release. Otherwise nobody would be using this release. Just remember though, that everyone is different! The includes apps and changes might comfort you in every way you need, but they don't for me and many other people.

I'm not complaining about the things you guys includes and changed, and so are many others, we just run the virginizer someone made in his free time, and we're happy.

 

So please respect other people's opinions, after all, they all like your distribution, they just don't like parts of it, and that's somebody's right to think, isn't it?

[-DuNe-]

@all

 

Stop flamming please. if you saw all the posts you will understand that we are not against the fact Laik did a thing for the community.

i said previously that i understand and think his first intention was good.( do you feel i have no respect for him ?)

We are against the fact he did the trick, touch some vital system files and make it public without talk to us. Do you think we released kalyway before asking the major actors of this community? If you think that you are completely wrong. The simplest way was to ask us what we touch and how to reverse the look. we are not "above" others guys. All we want to avoid , is that YOU the USERS crash your system or damage it. Look some posts here and you will understand why we react like this ( one have his leo broken by this app , others his multiboot, etc).

The only thing we want, is to protect you from problems. If you are not understanding that , and still think we are immature, that is very sad.

 

@laik

i will talk to kaly about your questions. even if i am a coder , he knows this side of the system better than me.

[Foodie Monster]

Dune31, you might seem more rational and reasonable than Kaly himself in this matter, after all, you ain't laughing at Laik for wanting to do what he did.

 

I do understand that you'd have liked for him to consult with you, because it'd iron any possible bugs that are out there in terms of this patch and your release, but that's not what you said at first (you defended the release blindly, and no one is attacking the release itself - just the fact that some people, myself included, like choice in terms of what is installed by default on our systems).

 

That said, I hope that the bashing of e-{censored} can stop now, and maybe you guys can focus on helping Laik make the patch better for future users to iron out the kinks, or even just incorporate his idea into your own installer, and provide a "virgin" Leopard installation from the get go, or at least an option that says "Kalyway's Recommended Apps" on the Installer. That'd do the trick, in my opinion.

 

Once again, the release is great, I love it and use it daily - best release thus far I've ever tried, Tiger or Leopard. Keep up the great work guys.

[kaly]

i have make a restore app !

 

for Restore_Factory_Desktop_finder_settings

Restore_Factory_Desktop_Finder_settings (default background,icons,dock)

 

for change orange colour in window finder! right click on orange colour then Show view options and select background white !! use by default !

 

new users accounts will be virgin ! CAN BE USED ON ALL 10.5.x DISTRO !!!

 

it's all !!

[raggedjagged]

Okay Dune31, Laik should have confirmed with you that's for sure, I agree with that. However, why the heck do you want to customize the OS to your liking? I know you say that people may need these apps and stuff like that, but hey... why don't you let the people decide that? I'm sure that people who can install your release have brains to install applications and customize the look of the OS too. And what's with the customizations? :S Orange background for folders? :S That is quite ugly as many people will agree, and whats up with all that "hiphop" thing? It's really not elegant looking at all!!!Please don't forget that part of the thing that people want to experience after installing OSX is the "Apple experience" like the "box opening"..and this is best experienced with everything set to DEFAULT. And that means NO extra apps (leave that to the people, if they are able to install your release, they can help themselves with the apps too), NO weird coloured background for folders, NO non-dfault background (yes, trust me please it's part of the experience that Apple wants to give people).All due credit to your release though, I'm using it and it worked fine..but all these customizations really turn me off and make me cringe. Please let everything be default... And THIS is the reason why people want to use LAIK's release so much (even at the risk of overwriting some system files...because LOOKS are VERY important for experience). I'm sure LAIK did not want to do this too..but he, like many of us, was annoyed with all the customizations. How about this....why don't you guys, Dune31 and kalyway, make another 10.5.1 release with everything default and no modifications or customizations to the looks? I'm sure in that case everyone will be happy, and I can BET you 100% that more people will install that!! (and I'm sure even LAIK wants YOU to do that). Peace out!

i have make a restore app ! for Restore_Factory_Desktop_finder_settingsRestore_Factory_Desktop_Finder_settings (default background,icons,dock)for change orange colour in window finder! right click on orange colour then Show view options and select background white !! use by default !new users accounts will be virgin !it's all !!

WOW!! I think I replied a few seconds too late Sounds good! I'm usre EVERYONE is waiting for this...because people don't like customizations on Apple products... Thanks!!!!!!

[kaly]

you talk like a major ! lol

[raggedjagged]

Almost 20 megs! What exactly does this restore to default? Does it also remove the extra apps?

[kaly]

default background,icons,dock !!! don't delete app !!!

[osv]

default background,icons,dock !!! don't delete app !!!

 

thank you! i do NOT want to uninstall the apps you included.

 

i am a pc power user/network admin since the early '80's, so i understand very well why people want a virgin install... but its been years since i worked on macs, so the added programs have value.

 

it's a lot easier for power users to uninstall than for noobs to figure out both a new operating system, and the best free apps to run with it.

 

kaly did this the correct way.

[gabrigee]

By the way, you take CoreService from the DVD. but do you realise that we are in 10.5.1 and there are a lot of changes between 10.5.0 and 10.5.1? So inserting old CoreService is not a very good idea for stability. so when you talk about canvas i would say you had throw the entire paint pot on it. so at the end your Leopard look original but is completely messed up internaly.

 

So you're telling us that the Laik's patch can break the kalyway's 10.5.1 ?

[-DuNe-]

So you're telling us that the Laik's patch can break the kalyway's 10.5.1 ?

 

The way he did, yes.

[InorganicMatter]

Thanks! Will try this soon.

 

thank you! i do NOT want to uninstall the apps you included.

 

i am a pc power user/network admin since the early '80's, so i understand very well why people want a virgin install... but its been years since i worked on macs, so the added programs have value.

 

it's a lot easier for power users to uninstall than for noobs to figure out both a new operating system, and the best free apps to run with it.

 

kaly did this the correct way.

 

I have to disagree. OSX86 has got a userbase with a higher technical understanding (or at least I think...some of the people in this thread are making me doubt that); such people are typically intelligent enough to Google for an unRAR-er, or a way to play MKVs, etc., and want the flexibility to use the app they want to use, not what is included. This is one of the reasons that the people using OSX86 are moving away from Windows - we are tired of having Windows Media Player, Outlook Express, Internet Explorer, Windows Messenger, and all their brethren shoved on us by Microsoft while also making it difficult to use alternatives. I understand that a lot of this software was probably included on the principle of open source (e.g.: VLC is open source, Quicktime is not), but most of the earth doesn't care if the app is open/closed as long as it does the job.

[amalgam]

LOL! This all too funny!

 

Kalway release works best of all I've seen so far. It's someone elses' work, not mine, and if I don't like it, I can either accept it, or customize it or do it better myself. Someone else comes along, thinking the same thing as me - and makes a change.

 

Whoops! the she-hits the fan.

 

I'm thinking right about here though, if it is in fact so bad to make a change to a hacker's distro - imagine right about now how p*ssed Apple is with all the hacks peeps have made.

 

And I'm pretty d*mned sure they (Apple) didn't get asked first either.

 

Thanks for the Kalyway distro, thanks for the painless way to virginize it, but most of all, thanks for all the uproar.

 

It just entertaining as heck watching folks get worked up.

 

And before ya'll rag on me - remember what I said about how Apple must be feeling.

[Laik]

Dune31, gabrigee, I used CoreServices from default apple install on my fully upgraded Mac Book Pro, not from the installation disc.

Otherwise the system and finder version would have changed to 10.5. It's still 10.5.1 in "About this mac".

 

kaly and Dune 31, thanks for your patch! You've made a lot of people happier.

[nick5555]

I´m a new osx86 user. Just want to say thanks to both Kalyway and Laik. I installed kalyways dvd, but thought it looked no good, especially Finder, couldn´t have lived with that, so I would have tried iATKOS if it wasn´t for Laiks script. But I still appreciate Kalyways hard work.

[gabrigee]

Dune31, gabrigee, I used CoreServices from default apple install on my fully upgraded Mac Book Pro, not from the installation disc.

Otherwise the system and finder version would have changed to 10.5. It's still 10.5.1 in "About this mac".

 

Oh I see. Then I think it's the correct way of doing it.

For a second I thought about the 10.5 -> 10.5.1 move, to noobish to be true

 

I used your patch Laik, so thank you about that

[Laik]

gabrigee, welcome. I'm happy more people find my small work usefull.

[00diabolic]

I have a comment and a question about kalyways release. First I have been using/making customized installs of windows for years. One of the cool things about these installs is that they bring with them applications that for most people are brand new and you may not even have known about. This is something A LOT OF people on this thread did not get. Kalyways install was build for him to use and frankly I'm VERY glad he added the apps he did and the customizations to it. Without those added apps I would not have found betterzip, xbench, change finder, archive utility and others.

 

I never knew they existed until this release. SO I for one AM VERY GLAD you added them! Maybe because I'm a modder at heart but I like to play with them system defaults. You know how many people never change there ringtones. Good god thats the last thing I wanna be. Thats like screaming here I am I'm a noob.

 

Now unfortunately I was one that could not get kalyways disc to run on my system due to the lack of X3100 support and that I could not get it to use paulicats natit.kext. I got it to run in safemode though and thats how I discovered all these cool apps, which bring me to my next question.

 

Perhaps someone can shed some light on this.

 

When you install kalyway you have added to every folder two little apps that allow you to see hidden files/folders on the fly by clicking on the invisible/visible icon. Finder is relaunched and folder returns with hidden files now showing.

 

This program is called change finder. I found this app online at the programers site installed it but it DOES NOT act like kalyways so I grabbed his right from this disc still no dice. Kalyway has found a way to force the finder to relaunch once the files/folders are shown. NORMALLY this does not occur and you must navigate to the folder again. I have ripped kalyways disc apart and looked at everything I can think of. I have no idea how he got finder to remember the open folder. As an added bonus the finder also remembers what folders you have open when you shutdown the computer. This is something I have had turned on in windows for years and would love to have this on the mac end.

 

I have installed leopard more times then I can count and this behavior that kalyway has on his disc is NOT NORMAL. SO CAN ANYONE SHED SOME LIGHT ON HOW HE DID THIS?

 

OR CAN ONLY THE GREAT KALYWAY HIMSELF BRING THIS SECRET TO LIGHT? Ive already PM'ed him days ago and no response so far.

[Laik]

00Diabolic, this question should go to the release thread, as to me. I'm not sure Kaly will see it here.

[00diabolic]

00Diabolic, this question should go to the release thread, as to me. I'm not sure Kaly will see it here.

 

Liak - thanks for the info. Ive tried for days to get him to respond. Since he was reading this thread I figured maybe he would see this. I'm now looking at a way of reverse engineering his virginizer to find out how he added that to leopard. Id really like If I could either:

 

1. get his install to work for me.

or

2. get some sorta kaly patch for my system to basicly install everything he did LOL. basically the reverse of what you have going here. But I really only care about change finder and how he made finder remember the folder that was last open.

 

Thanks

[Laik]

00Diabolic, thats what inside his patch:

 

 

Try copying these files to the installation that works for you and fix ownership/permissions.

But I doubt this would help. Lets wait for kaly to say something. Actually, you'd better create a new topic for this.

[AndyMS]

First of all I would like to thank Laik for creating this nifty little script, it's people like you that drive the innovation in this community.

 

Secondly, and this is for Kaly and Dune31:

 

What are you two on? You've taken a proprietary OS, and ILLEGALY modified it so people can install it on generic hardware, then have the audacity to flame Laik for creating a script to replace the awful looking icons you all included. WTF? Ever think that some people may not have the same taste as you two? I guess not since this thread was fine until you two brought the flamethrowers.

[Laik]

AndyMS, thanks.

 

It seems like we already settled everything with Kaly and Dune.

Kaly even made his own patch to get the icons and dock back, which is only 20 megs (he knew better then me what to replace), so no need to be rude to them