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McSkywalker
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What shall we use with windows, then? :)

 

Edit: I posted this using Firefox, btw. lol

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robotskip
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so i skimmed the article and it's related to firefox and myspace...so what?

 

moral of this story...DON'T GO TO MYSPACE WITH FIREFOX!! :)

 

...just my :chef:

Actually, it's related to [basically] any website just that Myspace was the example in this article.

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mac.nub
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This is hardly a vulnerability. If you're stupid enough to not check a site you're submitting data to is legit (or has the correct URL for the login page) then you really shouldn't be using the internet period.

 

"Oh noez! Someone stole my password!!!111 - maybe it was because I submitted it to a fake login form!!!111"

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Jentulman
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This is hardly a vulnerability. If you're stupid enough to not check a site you're submitting data to is legit (or has the correct URL for the login page) then you really shouldn't be using the internet period.

 

Whilst vigilance is always required, I think the point of this is that in some situations (depending on site design) you could very well think you're looking at a valid page.

Although the myspace example involved a level of URL spoofing the attack is about the target url of the form being filled in being on another domain. Whilst the chances of someone being able to put the required form on a page with an unspoofed URL are probably very small it is technically feasible.

This is a vulnerability if it takes data you consider private (e.g. your password) and transparently sends it to a domain that doesn't even feature in the visible address bar.

If the point at hand is people trusting what is happening rather than checking the minutiae of urls and certificates then maybe we should consider even a working implementation of a password manager a flaw in and of itself due to the false level of security it creates in users.

 

>If you're stupid enough to not check a site you're submitting data to is legit (or has the correct URL for the login page) then you really shouldn't be using the internet period

 

We were all newbs once, and people like yahoo, microsoft and to an extent mozilla are constantly shouting about how their services make things "more secure" and "prevent scamming", if they're going to make these sort of claims is it any wonder people wander around with a false sense of security.

In my ideal internet casual users wouldn't have to come on armed to the teeth against scammers, bot harvesters and virii just to send a mail and message their friends on myspace, but unfortunatly they do and it's not the case that every one of them is just being stupid, they just weren't being techies.

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I have jst found a new problem with my firefox! V.2, when i use for lets says for 10 mins, cpu usage shoots up into 80's!!! This is a major problem because RDC,iTunes,Azerus and all my other junk becomes all stutery! mind i am talking bout xp =/

 

 

I dont know if anyone else i havin this problem, but mine is really anoyin!

 

 

BaYlisS

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saivert
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STOP USING FIREFOX

 

Well, yes. Exactly. Firefox is a great web browser when it comes to usability, but it has become very memory hogging. In the beginning Firefox won because it was lightweight, stable and didn’t impose a lot of junk on the user.

 

On Mac OS X I’m using Camino because it uses the same lovely rendering engine as Firefox, namely Gecko. I don’t like Safari because it is slow and it’s user interface is a lot different to what I am used to being a Windows user. Camino closes that bridge pretty neat taking the best of two worlds and outputting a gentle web browser that everyone can feel comfortable with.

 

On Windows Vista there is only one web browser that does it. Internet Explorer 7. I am really not a IE fan, but it seems like Microsoft has finally nailed it with this one. No nasty toolbars (even though support is still there for 3rd party toolbars, Microsoft need to support advertisements or else corporations get nasty) and a sweet RSS support which integrates with the OS (can use them in the new Windows Sidebar).

I am waiting for a Vista-styled Firefox (maybe Firefox 3.0 will be it) before I make the switch.

 

Now you can flame me all you want.

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McSkywalker
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Opera?

Well, I've installed Opera, checked a website I had made, and seen that it renders a little different - unexpected breaks on pages after some images. That doesn't occur in IE and Safari. Also, I can view it quite accurately on Firefox. But hell, I made it using Dreamweaver, which one doesn't comply with the standards? If it is just me, why does the other browsers render it corrrectly?

 

On the other side, I have to add that it has a pretty nice interface for a windows app. I haven't done evaluating it. I had used it in Mac OS 9 and didn't like it so much, but I hope I'll like the windows version better.

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trav1085
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Which is worse, Firefox sending out passwords to phishing sites or IE 5 saving dial-up passwords (that can be easily be retrived with a trojan) even if you don't set it to save?

 

hmm.....

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I don’t like Safari because it is slow and it’s user interface is a lot different to what I am used to being a Windows user.

 

Now, I'll ignore your Windows comments, that's really all preference as far as I'm concerned (don't mind crappy memory usage, use Firefox, don't mind exploits, use IE, etc, etc). But this comment I take issue with. KHTML/WebKit is the second fastest rendering engine in existance. Where do you get this slow idea from?

 

Well, I've installed Opera, checked a website I had made, and seen that it renders a little different - unexpected breaks on pages after some images. That doesn't occur in IE and Safari. Also, I can view it quite accurately on Firefox. But hell, I made it using Dreamweaver, which one doesn't comply with the standards? If it is just me, why does the other browsers render it corrrectly?

 

On the other side, I have to add that it has a pretty nice interface for a windows app. I haven't done evaluating it. I had used it in Mac OS 9 and didn't like it so much, but I hope I'll like the windows version better.

 

Though there are some conditions where Opera gets it wrong, generally Opera is rendering it correctly to specs while Firefox and IE are not. Dreamweaver usually aims for the best blend of broken code to render correctly everywhere (thus why it's Enterprise level :().

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Colonel
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STOP USING FIREFOX

 

Well, yes. Exactly. Firefox is a great web browser when it comes to usability, but it has become very memory hogging. In the beginning Firefox won because it was lightweight, stable and didn’t impose a lot of junk on the user.

Firefox uses more memory than IE? Mmmkay...

iefirefoxww6.th.jpg

I don’t like Safari because it is slow and it’s user interface is a lot different to what I am used to being a Windows user.

I'm with sHARD on this one. Where's the slowness?

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McSkywalker
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Though there are some conditions where Opera gets it wrong, generally Opera is rendering it correctly to specs while Firefox and IE are not. Dreamweaver usually aims for the best blend of broken code to render correctly everywhere (thus why it's Enterprise level :)).

Thanks for taking the time to reply :P

I need a really ¨universal¨ WYSIWYG editor, which also includes CSS. Hope one comes out soon.

 

BTW, about Safari, it isn't slow at all. I love it.

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aliquis
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so i skimmed the article and it's related to firefox and myspace...so what?

 

moral of this story...DON'T GO TO MYSPACE WITH FIREFOX!! :P

 

...just my :)

Myspace was just an example, a form on any webpage will do, but I only think (haven't read the article) that you can get passwords which are for the same domain, so http://retardedebayscamsite.com can't steal your paypal logins.. or whatever, since it's not hosted on paypal.com or whatever.

 

then maybe...I'll just make sure that it's SSL protected before I send that good 'ol password.
Yeah, because sending the password over SSL to whoever wanna steal it will help.

 

(If you made sure the certificate was the same as last time well then yes, but who do?)

 

I have jst found a new problem with my firefox! V.2, when i use for lets says for 10 mins, cpu usage shoots up into 80's!!! This is a major problem because RDC,iTunes,Azerus and all my other junk becomes all stutery! mind i am talking bout xp =/

I dont know if anyone else i havin this problem, but mine is really anoyin!

BaYlisS

You like those flash banners do you?

 

On Windows Vista there is only one web browser that does it. Internet Explorer 7. I am really not a IE fan, but it seems like Microsoft has finally nailed it with this one.
Yawn, right, IE7 better than firefox 2.. or not..

 

Opera is better than both thought.

 

Sure my opera with 50-60 tabs uses 206MB ram atm, but who cares, and any browser would.

It's fast, most secure, most innovative and most portable.

 

Well, I've installed Opera, checked a website I had made, and seen that it renders a little different - unexpected breaks on pages after some images. That doesn't occur in IE and Safari. Also, I can view it quite accurately on Firefox. But hell, I made it using Dreamweaver, which one doesn't comply with the standards? If it is just me, why does the other browsers render it corrrectly?

 

On the other side, I have to add that it has a pretty nice interface for a windows app. I haven't done evaluating it. I had used it in Mac OS 9 and didn't like it so much, but I hope I'll like the windows version better.

HTML is made to make linkable text documents, not to design pixel perfect pages as seen in desktop publishing / images. You shouldn't expect to have it perfect, atleast not without a lot of effort.

 

But who cares, it's the content which is important, not the presentation.

 

Firefox uses more memory than IE? Mmmkay...

iefirefoxww6.th.jpg

 

I'm with sHARD on this one. Where's the slowness?

Visit a couple of webpages for some days without restarting the browser and watch the memory leakage go nuts (might be fixed/less now, but who cares.)
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McSkywalker
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HTML is made to make linkable text documents, not to design pixel perfect pages as seen in desktop publishing / images. You shouldn't expect to have it perfect, atleast not without a lot of effort.

 

But who cares, it's the content which is important, not the presentation.

The presentation is important because I made that for a client :idea: I took his money. It's not important whether I want it pixel perfect, my client would expect it. Plus, the corruption is not deadly. It's only in one page.

 

Well, enough of my tiny problem, I'm switching off now in this thread. :(

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