HD-DVD v/s Blu-Ray Battle Over?

[Pantalaimon]

Well I found this on a blog I read

 

 

NME has created DVD disks with up to 10 different layers that were still readable. It has created its own player, but it is willing to license the technology to mainstream consumer electronics companies, Levich said.

 

Movies on a DVD are stored at different depths depending on the technology. Blu-ray discs store information only 0.1 millimetre from the surface while HD-DVD discs store it at 0.6 millimeters. Movies longer than two hours would need to be stored on two layers of the same format very close to each other.

 

 

New technology could nip DVD format war in the bud

[A Nonny Moose]

This war was over when porn went to Blu-Ray.

[teppei]

This war was over when porn went to Blu-Ray.

 

is that true ? if it is... thats very ... classic ? (cant find the right word)

[bwhsh8r]

Beta-Max/VHS war all over again, and Sony is doing the exact same thing as before, yet hd-dvd is too... :-p so this might just win... considering it contains both formats

 

 

max

[iDerf2006]

In that picture on the link, the Blu-Ray picture looks more vibrant and all around better looking.

 

Still praying Blu-Ray wins. :-p

[rollcage]

I just hope only one gets adopted, i don't want to have to deal with alll the differen't formats. It would only make players and drives more expensive, because most people are going to want to be able to support both if both are adopted. in my opinion, just use blueray, it has more storage, don't worry about media costs, if enough people use it the costs will go down.

[Baliw]

It doesn't matter what kind of format wins, what is important is the quality of contents that they put in the media. So far HD-DVD leads Blu-Ray by mile ( this is in regard to available movies you can buy mow)

 

Just my 0.02 cents.

[deviantv1ral]

what about actual video and audio quality? caus after one format wins im pretty sure all future HD contents will be on just one format

[tsun]

went to the local BB, and saw a blue ray player and HD samsung tv playing a demo which was damned impressive. though i wont be able to afford the darned things anytime soon. i think the player was 999$ and the tv was 1.5k and the dvd's are 24$ a pop.

 

thats alot of cha ching

[BRP]

It sounds like they have some pretty darn good process for constructing discs...

 

I side with Blu-ray for one reason only. It's two syllables that you can just fire off. HD-DVD is a total pain in the tongue.

[BlackShadowWolf]

This war was over when porn went to Blu-Ray.

 

Pr0n? very true, by studying film, it was because of porn that the whole videotape industry got kicking, so them people wouldnt have to be seen in those dirty theatres. So there I said it, pr0n is the leader in video recording.

 

I honestly dont care which one wins, as long as they make the winner the best damn thing it can be thats reasonably priced so everyone can enjoy .

[bwhsh8r]

In that picture on the link, the Blu-Ray picture looks more vibrant and all around better looking.

 

Still praying Blu-Ray wins. :-p

 

depends on sony and sony alone, they have a better format (going by raw storage space here people) but if they are two constricting with it (like beta) then it will surely die, but hd-dvd could do the same thing and then it would be longer and more drawn out... :-p

 

oh, and pr0n can go ether way... but atm it is blueray favorable so like that will help

[Wayland]

I vote that Blue Ray has already won. The reason is mainly due to Ps3. The first large scale player available, and cheap too. Now that apple has decided to go Blue-Ray, and several other manufacturers are flowing to meet the ps3 demand, Blue-ray will have a very strong thanks due to Sony.

 

BTW... Anyone have a ps3 yet here?

[asap18]

you could say the same for the xbox hd dvd player that can also double as an external drive for a computer.

[robotskip]

This doesn't really mean it's over as this new technology faces the same problems as HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, that being that new players are needed to be produced and sold but this new tech has more problems as it has even less backing than those 2 formats do.

 

Well, if this means it's over I guess those new holographic storage mediums means the war is over for this new DVD tech too.

[Wayland]

you could say the same for the xbox hd dvd player that can also double as an external drive for a computer.

 

Two things, first, it's not standard. It's an add-on that may or may not be bought up by everyone. My guess is that unless they come out with some really huge game that needs it, it might just fall to the side. It may be the next sega-Cd.

 

Second- I'm hearing rumors from places I work and various other places that have already chosen their side, Blue-Ray. While these companies and businesses do not represent the mainstream, I haven't heard of one going with DVD-HD.

 

If the HD-DVD player goes for the right amount... then that may just happen, but then again, maybe not?

 

This doesn't really mean it's over as this new technology faces the same problems as HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, that being that new players are needed to be produced and sold but this new tech has more problems as it has even less backing than those 2 formats do.

 

Well, if this means it's over I guess those new holographic storage mediums means the war is over for this new DVD tech too.

 

I was merely commenting on the Blue-Ray HD war. Part of the DVD revolution that was the big transition from VHS (Which is getting to be almost gone completely) was the widespread boost from adopting formats. When DVD players were around $400 - $500, the Ps2 could play them for less, so people bought the ps2 and everyone was very very happy. The same might happen for PS3's. People get it for the game or the player. For 600, it seems to be a bargain.

 

Another thing, Blue-Ray DVD burners are becoming steadily available and cheaper. I saw one for 700 the other day. HD quality on a disc is soemthing people have been waiting for, and blue-ray seems to be in the lead...

 

Just my 2 cents

[tha_toadman]

This war was over when porn went to Blu-Ray.

 

[bwhsh8r]

 

 

lol, thats how beta finally got killed, but in reality it was because they charged for all this licensing and {censored}, that the movie companys didnt want to pay for all that licencing because it wasnt that much better.... and the worst part about this war is SONY IS DOING THE EXACT SAME {censored}! (my dad works at a tv station... and i asked, but im not sure about the hd-dvd format)

 

 

max

[aberracus]

ok, the problem here is for Video Industries, and im not talking here about Hollywood, im talking about those millions around the globe video producers in SOHO companys or one man video production facilities, they(we) have the hardest choice, Apple is gonna support Blue Ray, thats the rumor, so theres where we would end probably, BUT, the thing is we dont MAKE the market, the market is gona be made of housewifes and tv owners... So.... how many ppl have HDTV these days?, and how many less ppl have HD TV signal pluged into their expensive LCDs or Plasmas? The ppl understand?, i have heard think like.. "Ok i have my new 50 inch plasma and everything looks better in my HD TV" (without having any kinf of HD input like cable or dish), other situations are the contrary.. "i invested 2000 dollars for this {censored} and i can see the dots drom acros the street!!"... that kind of comentaries are only explained by saying, common ppl in those categories:

 

1 doesnt understand anything about HD

2 doesnt want to overpay in big tvs and some new tech that too few ppl really understand

3 they allready have HD, or not?

 

The tech ppl really dont want to invest too much in a technologie wich isnt defined yet.

 

The gamers are impulding HD content and hardware with XBOX360 first, PS3 now and some lost soul wich buy a plasma tv to play the excellent Wiii.

 

So, in these new frontier of technologie i would say, in 16 months the market will be full of hybrid players with both standars and Hollywood is gona launch their titles in both "standards", AND the lone producer will have an overpriced bluray or hddvd sitting in their computer, oh, it will work, for data abckup and to send to some clients.. SOME... we have tubulents times ahead, like the HD cameras...

 

Lets hope we can have hybryd writters at cheap prices soon.

 

The last Standards War was DVD-R vs DVD+R.. Who was the winner?

 

Just my two cents

 

Aberracus

[GBK.Xscape]

whats the difference between dvd-r and dvd+r?

[CLiDE FTW!!1]

In that picture on the link, the Blu-Ray picture looks more vibrant and all around better looking.

 

Still praying Blu-Ray wins. :-p

I don't. I hope BluRay fails so it bites Sony in the ass, and maybe they'll stop treating their customers like {censored}.

 

Besides, HDDVD looks better than BluRay (in person)

[bwhsh8r]

whats the difference between dvd-r and dvd+r?

 

DVD+R is a dvd disc that allows multiple layers for one disc where as dvd-r only allows one layer. They will not compete to become the de Facto standard, because they are both here to stay. Multi layer DVD+R can allow extra capacity per disc than DVD-R hence its high cost!

 

 

and aberracus, i think that they will decide eventually, because if they dont take a gamble then nether will have any support for ether, because someone has to decide witch to support... and on HD-tvs, its mandated that by 2012 (i think.. if i remember correctly) that all channels will have to broadcast in full 1080 hd, and on no one has it and no one uses true high def, we have that sony hdtv that was like the first crt full 1080i supporting tv on the market (at allmost 10,000 at the time... we won it....)

 

and CLiDE, nether hd-dvd or blueray would "look better" because they are both the same pixels, and it may be the player doing that, or the tv, and they are only as good as the original source, so it could have been the original film mastering or something, but the only way one would "look better" on its own, with out player or tv influencing it would be to ether have a higher definition (impossible atm, both do 1080i and 1080p, witch you cant tell the difference between those two anyway) or to pack more frames into the container, in witch case blueray would win because you can fit more in, but nether are getting anywhere near filled yet, so not even that matters. and in other news for you, i have heard from people (that work in the industry and know this {censored}) that sony is doing the same thing they did with beta-max, and if thats so it will probably also have the same outcome.

 

and Wayland, the ps3 would (and will) probably help propagate blueray but it would help if you could get one too... in a year or two it may help decide though, because if you buy a ps3, and it supports blueray out of the box, then why spend another heap of $ to buy an hd-dvd player?

[joe75]

BluRay is a dream come true, If anyone one has ever used DVDRAM disks, you know what I mean.

How can anyone not see the advantages of going to the store and buying 10 25GB hard drives in one stack.

The purpose of the new media is not for 1080 play back like the industry is trying to push but rather for companies and manufacturers to try and implement better copy right security. People will be in the {censored} when they cant just pop a new movie in their player and copy it to a hard drive or make more then 1 or 2 backups with out paying more money.

Edited December 13, 2006 by joe75

[Mr. Bond]

I don't know If it's just me, but the units I saw a couple months ago weren't all that amazing. It may have been the content that was playing, or any number of other factors, but it didn't surprise me too much.

 

Part of the problem, is that we're not seeing that huge leap in quality that happened from VHS to DVD formats. I know that when I first saw the difference, it was a huge eyeopener. But now, we're more or less going to second generation discs, and the quality improvements aren't really enough to go out and invest the money for one right now. The deepper blacks and sharper contrast are nice, but it doesnt appear to offer too much in comparison to the HD broadcasts and DVD's I already watch on my HDTV.

 

Basically...it just doesn't seem that much of an improvement to me. Of course, maybe things have changed in the few months since I saw the demo units. And this is really only from a Audio/Video standpoint...storage capacity is another story all together.

[Lostgame]

^

 

That's why it's not even a battle yet, for the consumer.

 

Outside of the über-rich computer geek market, which is so tiny, there's not argument right now.

 

And given the predicted failure of the PS3, the Blu-Ray market has very little going for it.