Clover General discussion

[Badruzeus]

@fusion71au: I missed your reply, sorry.

Yeah, I use CsrActiveConfig=0x3E7 (and similar patterns on 3 diff bootloaders including Enoch r2922) and having no issue with SIP since 10.15 Beta 3. Already run csrutil disable from RecHD as well.

 

What made me bit weird is, (not sure since which rev but I got it when installing r4999) new osascript tried to does something to filesystem when Clover installation. I didn't get it from prev. Clover revs, just run, instalation complete, done. But later on $ sudo mount -uw / gives nothing with those script so.. Clover installation can not proceeded under Catalina.

 

Honestly, it' s not big deal as Vector has said already he'll take a look and could be fixed later LOL, even manual copy-paste from Clover*.iso with UEFI is enough on my mach. But I'm just, uhmmb.. curious why if the filesystem restriction comes from OS it's self, Clover does something with it? Is that auto mount -uw / script on LaunchAgents / LaunchDaemons no longer working with (official) APFS? Thanks.

 

#EDIT: My last trial is r5015 BTW, now I'm having "Javascript error" prevents installation proceed on normal 10.13.6 HFS+ (and also 10.11.6 under VM which I don't know how to convert it into APFS). Do I need removing Java on macOS first or what? On 10.15 still osascript (or whatever function checker on Distribution) prevents installation with read-write error for HFS+ (which no issue before those script introduced). Thanks for osascript anyway.

Edited July 15, 2019 by Badruzeus

[Andres ZeroCross]

10 hours ago, arsradu said:

 

If you just want Clover installed on Catalina's SSD...why are you even bothering installing it in Mojave?

You can still boot your Mojave installation using Catalina's SSD. No need to install Clover on your Mojave SSD, as well.

Yes, you're right, The problem is i just want to use Clover Preference Pane in Mojave and Catalina. 

[Alpha22]

question: if I use VirtualSMC.kext I have to put it in the Bios VirtualSmc.efi folder or I have to put it in the Uefi folder
Thank you

[Andres ZeroCross]

14 minutes ago, Alpha22 said:

question: if I use VirtualSMC.kext I have to put it in the Bios VirtualSmc.efi folder or I have to put it in the Uefi folder
Thank you

 

I though you need to read this,, https://github.com/andreszerocross/VirtualSMC/blob/master/Docs/FAQ.md   especially at the image below 

 

Just depend if you boot in Legacy Mode (EFI/CLOVER/Drivers/BIOS) or UEFI Mode (EFI/CLOVER/Drivers/UEFI)

[Alpha22]

Thanks for the reply

boot is UEFI

VirtualSMC.efi module is recommended for boot.efi compatibility when FileVault 2 is enabled. SMCHelper-64.efi is not compatible with VirtualSMC.efi and must be removed.

FileVault 2 is not enabled I have to use SMCHelper-64.efi or I have to delete it

[Badruzeus]

Ah nevermind, I finally am able to proceed r5015 instalation on HFS+ 10.11.6, 10.13.6, 10.14.6 and 10.15 Beta after removing this line from Distribution package. And the *.plist for auto "$ sudo mount -uw /" on every boot is still working under 10.15 APFS. Have a nice day.

 

<installation-check script="checkFileSystemIsWritable()"/>

 

Edited July 15, 2019 by Badruzeus

[Andres ZeroCross]

1 minute ago, Alpha22 said:

Thanks for the reply

boot is UEFI

VirtualSMC.efi module is recommended for boot.efi compatibility when FileVault 2 is enabled. SMCHelper-64.efi is not compatible with VirtualSMC.efi and must be removed.

FileVault 2 is not enabled I have to use SMCHelper-64.efi or I have to delete it

Then it mean this image will help you
Just if you used FakeSMC.kext instead VirtualSMC.kext, CMIIW

[Alpha22]

Quote

Then it mean this image will help you 
Just if you used FakeSMC.kext instead VirtualSMC.kext, CMIIW

 

I use VirtualSMC.kext so I have to delete SMCHelper-64.efi

the latest version of FakeSMC.kext

Edited July 15, 2019 by Alpha22

[arsradu]

2 hours ago, Andres ZeroCross said:

Yes, you're right, The problem is i just want to use Clover Preference Pane in Mojave and Catalina. 

 

I'm...not sure that's possible...? :)) I mean, what would be the point of having the Clover preference pane in Mojave...if you don't have Clover installed on your Mojave SSD? You want to control Catalina's Clover installation...from Mojave? That would be interesting...but...I'm not sure if that preference pane was made with this functionality in mind. :)) 

Edited July 15, 2019 by arsradu

[Andres ZeroCross]

7 minutes ago, arsradu said:

 

I'm...not sure that's possible...? :)) I mean, what would be the point of having the Clover preference pane in Mojave...if you don't have Clover installed on your Mojave SSD? You want to control Catalina's Clover installation...from Mojave? That would be interesting...but...I'm not sure if that preference pane was made with this functionality in mind. :)) 

Sometime i waste my time in Mojave, and sometimes in Catalina

So the conclusions is i can't check official release of Clover with Clover Preference pane from other macOS system.

I need to boot to Catalina first, then i can check offical update from its.

It's no big problem,, thanks
 

[arsradu]

7 minutes ago, Andres ZeroCross said:

Sometime i waste my time in Mojave, and sometimes in Catalina

So the conclusions is i can't check official release of Clover with Clover Preference pane from other macOS system.

I need to boot to Catalina first, then i can check offical update from its.

It's no big problem,, thanks
 

 

Haha! Yeah, I knew that's what you were aiming for! :)) But yeah...I'm not sure that's possible with the current implementation.

 

However, something else you might be able to do...is subscribe for notifications on the Clover's SF page by clicking the Get Updates button.

 

It's not quite the same thing, but if the point of this is to know when new releases are out...that's one way to do it. And not just new official releases, but any new development updates. If you're interested to know what's knew...that might work.

 

 

[Andres ZeroCross]

3 minutes ago, arsradu said:

 

Haha! Yeah, I knew that's what you were aiming for! :)) But yeah...I'm not sure that's possible with the current implementation.

 

However, something else you might be able to do...is subscribe for notifications on the Clover's SF page by clicking the Get Updates button.

 

It's not quite the same thing, but if the point of this is to know when new releases are out...that's one way to do it. And not just new official releases, but any new development updates. If you're interested to know what's knew...that might work.

 

 

Get update information from Email Release is different thing

I just want to know if we can do it from Clover Preference Pane with single CLover installed in EFI partition for Multi macOS/OSX in different disk

[arsradu]

@Andres ZeroCross 

 

If you had both OSes on the same drive, it miiiight have had a better chance of working. Since it's linking to the same EFI partition. But with Clover on a separate SSD...I don't see how it would work. Of course, I could be wrong here, and there might be a very simple fix for this exact scenario. I just don't know it.  

[Matgen84]

2 hours ago, Andres ZeroCross said:

Get update information from Email Release is different thing

I just want to know if we can do it from Clover Preference Pane with single CLover installed in EFI partition for Multi macOS/OSX in different disk

 

I don't think so. Clover Preference Panel is installed in Preference/System for macOS Mojave (for example). You can only update through this OS. If you have another disk with Catalina (for example) with Clover  PrefPane in Preference/System, you do the same, for the same reason.

Edited July 15, 2019 by Matgen84

[Andres ZeroCross]

Anyone install CLOVER to Catalina Disk parition from Mojave???

 I did it,  and i get issues.

1. I am in Mojave system,  i install Clover to Catalina disk and check "Clover Theme Manager'
2. After that i reboot to Catalina Disk, and when i go to /Applications with Finder, i only get Clover Theme Manager in there.
3. In Launchpad, i still can see all my Previous app
4. If i boot to Mojave again, i still can see my other App is in "/Volumes/CatalinaDiskPartition-Data/Applications" and system app still in "/Volume/CatalinaDiskPartition/System/Applications"

It's look in Catalina, CatalinaDiskName/Applications just a symlink.

How can i fix/re-index all my App???

 

[Matgen84]

4 minutes ago, Andres ZeroCross said:

Anyone install CLOVER to Catalina Disk parition from Mojave???

 I did it,  and i get issues.

1. I am in Mojave system,  i install Clover to Catalina disk and check "Clover Theme Manager'
2. After that i reboot to Catalina Disk, and when i go to /Applications with Finder, i only get Clover Theme Manager in there.
3. In Launchpad, i still can see all my Previous app
4. If i boot to Mojave again, i still can see my other App is in "/Volumes/CatalinaDiskPartition-Data/Applications" and system app still in "/Volume/CatalinaDiskPartition/System/Applications"

It's look in Catalina, CatalinaDiskName/Applications just a symlink.

How can i fix/re-index all my App???

 

 

Why do you install CLOVER to Catalina Disk partition from Mojave? Not directly under Catalina.

 

For this re-index issue, post on catalina topic. I think.

[chris1111]

10 minutes ago, Andres ZeroCross said:

4. If i boot to Mojave again, i still can see my other App is in "/Volumes/CatalinaDiskPartition-Data/Applications" and system app still in "/Volume/CatalinaDiskPartition/System/Applications"

It's look in Catalina, CatalinaDiskName/Applications just a symlink.

How can i fix/re-index all my App???

 

 

 

This is normal in Catalina

If you want copy the app on /System /Applications you need the RW access

Edited July 15, 2019 by chris1111

[Andres ZeroCross]

Just now, chris1111 said:

 

This is normal in Catalina

If you want copy the app on /System /Applications you need the RW access

The directory is normal = True

But in default condition, if you click "Applcations" folder in left sidebar menu, you will see all app in there. But now all gone.

This happened because i install clover to Catalina from Mojave and i check "Clover Theme Manager". Clover should install Clover Theme Manager in "CatalinaDiskName-Data/Applications not in "CatalinaDiskName/Applications"

[Andres ZeroCross]

After boot to Mojave and install clover to Catalina Disk from there (check Clover Theme Manager too),, then i reboot to Catalina.

Applications menu in left side bar is gone,,

I need to make shortcut but i don't know how to do this.

/CatalinaDiskName/Applications = Empty
/CatalinaDiskName/System/Applications=Sytem App

I can't access CatalinaDiskName - Data/Aplications from Catalina system (except in Mojave).

How can i re-create index of App??? i only can use Launchpad, Spotlight search, or Finder Search to find App. 

31 minutes ago, Matgen84 said:

 

Why do you install CLOVER to Catalina Disk partition from Mojave? Not directly under Catalina.

 

For this re-index issue, post on catalina topic. I think.

Cmon,, long ago. We still can install CLOVER from any of kind of different macOS (Maverick, El Capitan, Yosemite, Sierra, High Sierra, Mojave). Even you have 6 macOS type with 1 EFI partition for Clover, you still can update CLOVER from every macOS type. It's not problem, but now Catalina use different Applications directory. So people must be carefull to not install/check "Clover Theme Manager"

[chris1111]

40 minutes ago, Andres ZeroCross said:

I can't access CatalinaDiskName - Data/Aplications from Catalina system (except in Mojave).

How can i re-create index of App??? i only can use Launchpad, Spotlight search, or Finder Search to find App. 

 

Did you try Finder / Preferances

Chek Box Applications 

 

 

Edited July 15, 2019 by chris1111

[Andres ZeroCross]

25 minutes ago, chris1111 said:

Did you try Finder / Preferances

Chek Box Applications 

 

 

Thanks it works, but please check this image below
 

All Aplications path is different, after install clover in Catalina from Mojave (install clover theme manager too),, i need to reIndex some Applications, eg XCode-Beta.app. I need to run "sudo xcode-select --switch /System/Volumes/Data/Applications/Xcode-beta.app",, I works before with "sudo xcode-select --switch /Applications/Xcode-beta.app"


Or maybe you can make test it right now (Install Clover from Mojave to Catalina disk and check Clover Theme Manager),, you will see the different

 

Edited July 15, 2019 by Andres ZeroCross

[Andres ZeroCross]

On 7/14/2019 at 12:43 PM, Slice said:

After 4992 there are no more error "Not found"?

Don't replace boot6 with boot7. boot7 is BiosBlockIo, it will not work with DVD.

And about UEFI DVD I think it is impossible because there is no EFI partition.

Did Clover get problem to patch Kext/kernel cache in Catalina?? I have this,

 

====

Find : 00040000 04030000 00000001 00000000 10000202 00000000 00040000 04030000 00000001 00000000 20010101 00000000 00040000 04030000 00000001 00000000 11020404 00000000 00040000 04030000 00000001 00000000 21030303 00000000 00040000 04030000 00000001 00000000 12040505 00000000

Replace : 00040000 04030000 00000501 00000000 12040601 00000000 00040000 04030000 00000401 00000000 22050403 00000000 00080000 04020000 00000101 00000000 11020102 00000000 00080000 04020000 00000201 00000000 21030504 00000000 04000000 14020000 00000301 00000000 10000306 00000000 

Name : com.apple.kext.AMD9500Controller
====

 

But patch didn't work in Catalina (Get Reddish Image with Salado fb name and can't dual display),, i have checked / open "AMD9500Controller" of Catalina with Hex Fiend.app and i still can found "00040000 04030000 00000001 00000000 10000202 00000000 00040000 04030000 00000001 00000000 20010101 00000000 00040000 04030000 00000001 00000000 11020404 00000000 00040000 04030000 00000001 00000000 21030303 00000000 00040000 04030000 00000001 00000000 12040505 00000000". So, it should be no problem.

 

But if i boot in to Mojave and use Salado as fb name for my RX 580,, i can see patch succesful (and i get normal screen with Dual Display Capability).

[Slice]

@Andres ZeroCross

1. Are you sure Mojave patch will be same for Catalina?

2. The patch was made in RAM, not in file. No sense to check the patch in the kext.

[Andres ZeroCross]

30 minutes ago, Slice said:

@Andres ZeroCross
1. Are you sure Mojave patch will be same for Catalina?
2. The patch was made in RAM, not in file. No sense to check the patch in the kext.

 

 

What do you mean by "non sense to check in the file?"

AFAIK, the hex value must be founded in the kext itself. eg,, find = aaaa, replace = bbbb name = target.kext,,. Of course we must make sure we can find aaaa in target.kext itself before make otf patch with clover.

I can see "Hex byte of Find" in "AMD9500Controller" of Mojave and Catalina.

So i should see the same debug log like Mojave log. But i can't see the succesful patched log. Any explanation why did patch fail?


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Edited July 15, 2019 by Andres ZeroCross

[vector sigma]

1 hour ago, Andres ZeroCross said:

AFAIK, the hex value must be founded in the kext itself. eg,, find = aaaa, replace = bbbb name = target.kext,,. Of course we must make sure we can find aaaa in target.kext itself before make otf patch with clover.

I can see "Hex byte of Find" in "AMD9500Controller" of Mojave and Catalina.

I guess that this is true until any other patch are performed on the same offset in memory before yours.

4 hours ago, Andres ZeroCross said:

All Aplications path is different, after install clover in Catalina from Mojave (install clover theme manager too),, i need to reIndex some Applications, eg XCode-Beta.app. I need to run "sudo xcode-select --switch /System/Volumes/Data/Applications/Xcode-beta.app",, I works before with "sudo xcode-select --switch /Applications/Xcode-beta.app"

Your "Machintosh SSD" should have a read-only twin called  "Machintosh SSD - Dati", but this I guess is true for vanilla installations, I'm referring to Catalina on proper apfs partition, e.g. not hfs.

Edited July 15, 2019 by vector sigma