vector sigma Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Andres ZeroCross said: This happened because i install clover to Catalina from Mojave and i check "Clover Theme Manager". Clover should install Clover Theme Manager in "CatalinaDiskName-Data/Applications not in "CatalinaDiskName/Applications" This should performed as intended as the OS should take cares on what happens in the filesystem. 12 hours ago, Badruzeus said: Honestly, it' s not big deal as Vector has said already he'll take a look and could be fixed later LOL The problem is that I have a job and a family.. By the way can I ask why there's a need to use hfs instead of apfs? It is not clear to me if this is allowed.. Catalina installer creates two volumes on the same container, but what happen if we modify them? Edited July 15, 2019 by vector sigma 1 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres ZeroCross Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, vector sigma said: I guess that this is true until any other patch are performed on the same offset in memory before yours. Your "Machintosh SSD" should have a read-only twin called "Machintosh SSD - Dati", but this I guess is true for vanilla installations, I'm referring to Catalina on proper apfs partition, e.g. not hfs. Yes,, but if you boot in to Catalina then somehow as default path for applications is "/Applications/XCode-beta.app" or in "/System/Volumes/Data/Applications/XCode-Beta.app". But if i boot to Mojave and check the Application path of Catalina app eg XCode-Beta, then yes the path is "Catalina Disk - Data/Applications/XCode-Beta.app" 43 minutes ago, vector sigma said: I guess that this is true until any other patch are performed on the same offset in memory before yours. The config of clover is same for Mojave and Catalina (SSDT, kext, drivers, and other exactly same). In mojave, i can see about succesful patch, but i don't see it in Catalina. I just don't know what cause of this Edited July 15, 2019 by Andres ZeroCross Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vector sigma Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, Andres ZeroCross said: The config of clover is same for Mojave and Catalina (SSDT, kext, drivers, and other exactly same). In mojave, i can see about succesful patch, but i don't see it in Catalina. I just don't know what cause of this Sorry for the stupid question, but is the kext inside the prelinkedkernel? 17 minutes ago, Andres ZeroCross said: Yes,, but if you boot in to Catalina then somehow as default path for applications is "/Applications/XCode-beta.app" or in "/System/Volumes/Data/Applications/XCode-Beta.app". But if i boot to Mojave and check the Application path of Catalina app eg XCode-Beta, then yes the path is "Catalina Disk - Data/Applications/XCode-Beta.app" Here if I move an app to /Applications, it will be automatically be moved to the ' - Data/Applications'. Anyway I'll do more tests.. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres ZeroCross Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, vector sigma said: Sorry for the stupid question, but is the kext inside the prelinkedkernel? How can i know??? How about this, I have used RX 580 without inject FB name. So, i will use radeon framebuffer instead Salado, and we can sure AMD9500Controller.kext is loaded (Display color and multidsplay is working). Then before change FB name to "Salado", i run kext utility.app once. Reboot, and still Clover didn't patch the binary. Just for your information,, if i boot with Shell.efi. Then load Apfsdriverloader.efi and go to Catalina Disk, we can't acces System/Library/PrelinkedKernel. APFSDriverLoader.efi only will mount "CatalinaDisk - Data" not "Catalina Disk". I don't know if this information will be useful Edited July 15, 2019 by Andres ZeroCross Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres ZeroCross Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, vector sigma said: Here if I move an app to /Applications, it will be automatically be moved to the ' - Data/Applications'. Anyway I'll do more tests.. Yes, but if you open terminal, then open finder, go to Catalina disk system/Applications. drag n drop XCode.ap or other app to terminal. Then the path is "/Applications/sampel.app". Anyway after check Clover Theme manager to Catalina Disk from Mojave, if i boot to Catalina and go to Catalina Disk System/Applications, then it will empty Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vector sigma Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Andres ZeroCross said: Anyway after check Clover Theme manager to Catalina Disk from Mojave, if i boot to Catalina and go to Catalina Disk System/Applications, then it will empty right, see below (anyway I still not tried that right now). 9 minutes ago, Andres ZeroCross said: Yes, but if you open terminal, then open finder, go to Catalina disk system/Applications. drag n drop XCode.ap or other app to terminal. Then the path is "/Applications/sampel.app". yeah, but in truth it is in the Application folder of the other partition. normal as supposed to be by Apple as the two partitions are separated but treated as one: system files and directories are in the read-only one, users stuff is in the read-write one. Edited July 15, 2019 by vector sigma Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vector sigma Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 21 minutes ago, Andres ZeroCross said: How can i know??? How about this, I have used RX 580 without inject FB name. So, i will use radeon framebuffer instead Salado, and we can sure AMD9500Controller.kext is loaded ok then is there. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres ZeroCross Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, vector sigma said: Sorry for the stupid question, but is the kext inside the prelinkedkernel? Thanks for the questions,, i have checked the PrelinkedKernel date in System/Library/PrelinkedKernel and the date is 3 July 2019. Weird I run kext utility.app and PrelinkedKernel's date is not change,, then i open terminal and run "sudo mount -uw /" and "sudo killall Finder' then i re-Run Kext utility.app. The date of Prelinked kernel is change Now reboot and i can see patch is succesfull,, i am boot with Salado Framebuffer now. So the remaining problem is about EMPTY /Applications in Catalina if you install Clover from Mojave to Catalna Disk and tick Clover Theme Manager,, still searching for the issue. Edited July 15, 2019 by Andres ZeroCross Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vector sigma Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Andres ZeroCross said: Thanks for the questions,, i have checked the PrelinkedKernel date in System/Library/PrelinkedKernel and the date is 3 July 2019. Weird I run kext utility.app and PrelinkedKernel is not change,, then i open terminal and run "sudo mount -uw /" and "sudo killall Finder' then i re-Run Kext utility.app. The date of Prelinked kernel is change Now reboot and i can see patch is succesfull,, i am boot with Salado Framebuffer now. Always there's a why Lol 2 minutes ago, Andres ZeroCross said: So the remaining problem is about EMPTY /Applications in Catalina if you install Clover from Mojave to Catalna Disk and tick Clover Theme Manager,, still searching for the issue. Ever tried to select, from mojave, the '- data' partition?? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres ZeroCross Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, vector sigma said: Always there's a why Lol Ever tried to select, from mojave, the '- data' partition?? Did you have Mojave system?? Please try this. Install Clover from Mojave,, and point it to Catalina Disk system,, and tick/check "Clover Theme Manager' then reboot to your Catalina. Can you still see many app in your Catalina disk/Applications??? Edited July 15, 2019 by Andres ZeroCross Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vector sigma Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, Andres ZeroCross said: Did you have Mojave system?? Please try this. Install Clover from Mojave,, and point it to Catalina Disk system,, and tick/check "Clover Theme Manager' then reboot to your Catalina. Can you still see many app in your Catalina disk/Applications??? just tried and worked. Applications are all in place, CTM included. Do not tell my why but I expected nothing less. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres ZeroCross Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Just now, vector sigma said: just tried and worked. Applications are all in place, CTM included. Do not tell my why but I expected nothing less. When you in Mojave and install clover, which partition did you select?? Catalina Disk or Catalina Disk - Data??? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vector sigma Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Anyway, can you try again the same and post the installer log? ... not the one by Clover, but the one from Installer.app 1 minute ago, Andres ZeroCross said: When you in Mojave and install clover, which partition did you select?? Catalina Disk or Catalina Disk - Data??? the one with the - Data suffix Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres ZeroCross Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 minute ago, vector sigma said: Anyway, can you try again the same and post the installer log? ... not the one by Clover, but the one from Installer.app the one with the - Data suffix Accidentally i select withoud - Data suffix Can you try select without data suffx?? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vector sigma Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Andres ZeroCross said: When you in Mojave and install clover, which partition did you select?? Catalina Disk or Catalina Disk - Data??? What I will never try is to target the one without the - Data suffix, as I guess this was the problem for you 2 minutes ago, Andres ZeroCross said: Can you try select without data suffx?? No, see above, never thought of doing an installation in the users partition Edited July 15, 2019 by vector sigma Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres ZeroCross Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Just now, vector sigma said: What I-ll never try is to targe the one without the - Data suffix, as I guess this was the problem for you Yes,, clover will install CTM to Catalina Disk/Applications (Should be not right path), but if we select Catalina Disk - Data then path will be "Catalina Disk - Data/Applications" (Right path). Now when i go to Applications, all is empty. I need to manual go to /System/Volumes/Data/Applications to see my Applications list I don't know how to re-index this Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vector sigma Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 fresh Installation? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres ZeroCross Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Just now, vector sigma said: fresh Installation? it's the last options,, i think i need to reRun "Install macOS Catalina Beta" DP 3 and point it again to my Catalina Disk. I hope the old app and configuration won't broken Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vector sigma Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Andres ZeroCross said: it's the last options,, i think i need to reRun "Install macOS Catalina Beta" DP 3 and point it again to my Catalina Disk. I hope the old app and configuration won't broken right. Firstly you can try to repair permissions. of the entire volume using disk utility, i.e s.o.s Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres ZeroCross Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, vector sigma said: right. Firstly you can try to repair permissions. of the entire volume using disk utility, i.e s.o.s i am re running "Install macOS Catalina Beta.app" to my Catalina disk right now 17 minutes ago, vector sigma said: No, see above, never thought of doing an installation in the users partition I point it Catalina Disk instead Catalina Disk - Data because if i select Catalina Disk - Data i can't tick "CLover Preference pane", if select Catalina Disk then i can select Preference pane. Anyway, it's worst scenario Edited July 15, 2019 by Andres ZeroCross Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vector sigma Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, Andres ZeroCross said: I point it Catalina Disk instead Catalina Disk - Data because if i select Catalina Disk - Data i can't tick "CLover Preference pane", if select Catalina Disk then i can select Preference pane. Anyway, it's worst scenario Ok that make sense. The option is enabled/selectable only if the target volume contains /bin/launchctl. That was a way to say "this is an OS", but now is on the wrong side. Need a revise, please guys help to find a way compatible with old OSes and we can make appear CTM, the prefpanel .. (rc scrips?) only if some conditions are met, i.e. only on the right partition! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsradu Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) Hi guys, So...looks like my problem with boot6/boot7 was actually not a problem with either one of them. I've made a build with both, so I can test them one by one. I can boot quite fine with either one of them. With one condition: correct drivers! And one (recommended) driver in particular is actually causing me both the "not found" error, and the following red text screen: XhciDxe.efi. No wonder I didn't have this issue with 3911. I don't remember seeing it there. Can we make this optional not recommended? Also, the issue I've mentioned before with the embedded theme? Yeah, it's still there, but only when booting with BiosBlockIO. When booting with SATA, no issues whatsoever. Edited July 15, 2019 by arsradu Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vector sigma Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 This is what I have in the System partition ( - Data) by looking it from mojave: . Library .. System .DS_Store Users .DocumentRevisions-V100 Volumes .PKInstallSandboxManager cores .Spotlight-V100 home .TempReceipt.bom mnt .TemporaryItems opt .Trashes private .fseventsd sw Applications usr Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vector sigma Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, arsradu said: Can we make this optional not recommended? It's why I made it selected only if the package was never installed. Anyway if you deselect it and re run the installer the choice will no longer be activated. Is also true that most of the people may need it..... maybe guys with very old motherboards. I use no one of them Edited July 15, 2019 by vector sigma Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsradu Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 minute ago, vector sigma said: It's why I made it selected only if the package was never installed, and I use no one of them. Anyway if you deselect it and re run the installer the choice will no longer be activated. Is also true that most of the people may need it. Well, yeah, I made a "clean install", so that one was checked by default. And...now I'm curious if anyone else booting in Legacy mode had/has this issue with this particular driver. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/284656-clover-general-discussion/page/780/#findComment-2681615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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