[Poll] Are you homosexual?

[Bartboy919]

Ok, I havent read this whole thread, but I would like to say some things about religion and homosexuality, first off, what people do in bed is no one else's business. in regards to christianity, I have a good quote from a digg member in response to this same subject,

 

 

"Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 20:13 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

 

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

 

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

 

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

 

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

 

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

 

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

 

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

 

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

 

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

 

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

 

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

 

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

 

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

 

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan."

 

So I would have to say that Lev. is used to make it so that has to sin at one point or another, making it so that no one cannot sin.

[Alessandro17]

Absolutely great quote, Bartboy919.

[Paranoid Marvin]

Ah, brilliant, i have seen this before, but it made me laugh even more the tenth time

[Conan Obrien]

i dont get it

[Paranoid Marvin]

i dont get it

 

If memory serves me well, the article was about some religious radio presenter/psycologist, who believed homosexuallity was wrong, and often reffered to those parts of the bible.

That was a copy of a letter a 'fan' sent

[gwprod12]

There was a very similar scene from The West Wing.

[Alessandro17]

i dont get it

 

It is extreme sarcasm about the Bible. The Bible says that homosexuality is wrong. But then it also says a lot of other strange things, like being allowed to sell your daughter as a slave.

So why pick and choose, why certain things must be taken literally and others clearly can't?

With other words, let's not forget that the Bible (at least the Old Testament) was written some 3000 years ago.

[Conroe Mac]

I am a {censored} trapped in a man's body.

[macgirl]

Yeah, sure you are

[Paranoid Marvin]

I am a {censored} trapped in a man's body.

 

 

[Guest Ramm]

Not {censored}.

[Justin R.]

I am a {censored} trapped in a man's body.

 

Aren't we all?

[macgirl]

No

[mifki]

lol

[macgirl]

yes

[consolation]

yes

 

You are a {censored} man trapped in a woman's body?

[macgirl]

no, I replied yes to the lol post of Kiko.

[Skylor]

I'ma homo.

 

Great topic you got going here. I love reading what people think about homosexuality. All of my friends are queers, so I don't really get to see the straight side of the story.

[Alessandro17]

Great topic you got going here.

 

Unfortunately the other thread about homosexuality had to be closed because of the intolerance of a handful.

However the vast majority here are tolerant, including myself.

I am only intolerant of intolerance

[aquanutz]

EDIT: The way I see it, people who are 'straight' simply havent met the right <insert same sex noun here>

 

If this was meant as a joke, then that is fine. If it wasn't, I am compelled to address it.

 

I think those who are {censored} haven't met the right girl yet. Do you not agree? No? Then why do you think that us straight guys would turn {censored} if we "met the right <insert same sex noun here>" Despite your best efforts and all your wishing the world is not going to turn {censored}. Most men simply can not be turned on by the thought of being with a man, in fact, it's quite the opposite.

 

I have no problem with {censored} people. One of my favorite bosses was {censored}. He was a great person and I got along with him very well. What I do have a problem with is angry homosexuals that have to be mean and spitful towards straight people just becuase you have experienced some sort of hate in your life (we all have at some time, get over it). This is like african americans demanding reparations for someone's ancestors enslaving theirs. This makes NO sense. Why should someone else have to pay for someone elses mistake?

 

To further elaborate, this past weekend I went to the movies with a few friends and one of them, a girl, brought another friend along that I didn't know. He was {censored}, I knew right away. I had no problem with it. He wasn't try to flaunt his homosexuality as a prize nor was he trying to make me feel uncomfortable for being straight. Then, two weeks ago I was on the subway and two homosexuals got on the train and started to (deeply) kiss in front of a group of children. Initially I had no problem with this, PDA is fine. However it started to move past this as they started touching each other very heavily. I stood up and politely asked them if they could hold on until at least the children were gone. I would have done the same thing if it were a man and a woman. Did this go over well with them?? NOOOO! It immediately turned into a {censored}-bashing-fest according to them. The more vocal one called me a bigot and said I was racist and anything he could think of and then he began to swear, again, in front of 5 and 6 year olds. If he weren't {censored}, I would have knocked his ass out cold but I was afraid of getting a 'hate crime' slammed on me. It ended at the next stop becaue the kids got off and I just turned on my iPod and ignored them after this. Still, it burns me up that the flaming ones feel that because they are {censored} they can parade around town doing whatever they want and when someone (politely, mind you) asks that they stop, I am the one in the wrong. This is what pisses me off to no end.

 

p.s. I am not trying to offend anyone in here, unless you are like the ones on the train, then I am.

p.s.s. Yeah, like many others said, I am also against {censored} pride parades. I had to see one in toronto when my family and i were up there when I was 8. We didn't know it was that week and we were walking down the main street and BAM, face to face with 90% naked men. It was not a good moment that I care to recall too often.

[gwprod12]

It was a joke/sarcasm ;-p (basicly addressing the same point you were making, except towards heteros).

 

As to people having PDA around children... think about it clearly. How many people are desperately offended when children have to see straight people making out? In fact, children have probably seen their parents make out. Now imagine if you were {censored} and someone told you that they didnt want their children seeing that. They meant PDA in general, but your first impression was that they meant your "filthy lifestyle". Food for thought. It's ignorance on both sides, granted, but they are the ones who have to bear the negative consequences of both of your issues. Besides, it's a free country (or should be). I know that if someone said that to me, I'd be terribly offended as well. Though I take your word that you didnt mean anything by it.

 

As to parading... straight people parade their straightness at unbearable levels. I dont freak the f out whenever boys and girls kiss, or touch, or hold hands, or refer to the opposite sex in an affectionate way. Nor do I freak the f out when straight people talk about the opposite sex, or ask me if I have a girlfriend, or address my participation in the breeder lifestyle. Maybe I should?

 

The reason why you dont see the disturbing heterosexual behavior is because you participate in it, and think it's normal.

 

An analogous example is Christians who get uppity about Wiccans parading about in their offensive religion. Christianity is more offensive to a non-Christian than non-Christianity is to Christians.

 

The heterosexual establishment is deeply offensive to those who dont participate in it.

 

I dont get offended by it, because I know that straight people are just too ignorant to realize they're doing something offensive to me.

 

So, to compromise, maybe no one should flaunt their sexuality in any way?

Edited March 9, 2007 by gwprod12

[Paranoid Marvin]

p.s. I am not trying to offend anyone in here, unless you are like the ones on the train, then I am.

 

You make a very good, true point.

I really do dislike {censored} people who flaunt their sexuality and and do things that put most {censored} people to shame. Personally, I hate PDAs. Full stop. Whether it be straight or {censored}. The privacy of their homes is where is belongs. It's just wrong how someone would do stuff like you described with children present, and I'm sure everyone can agree that what you did was in no way '{censored} bashing'. People like that or some of the really camp {censored} that just make you feel uncomfortable make it more difficult for the rest of us. It's really difficult to make your self seem like an ordinary person, when you have very offensive stereotypes being created.

 

 

What I do have a problem with is angry homosexuals that have to be mean and spitful towards straight people just becuase you have experienced some sort of hate in your life (we all have at some time, get over it). This is like african americans demanding reparations for someone's ancestors enslaving theirs.

 

It's really a shame how people do that. The past is the past. I really dislike living in the past. Heck, even the here and now is a bit old . People should just learn to forgive and forget. I really don't see the point at being spitefull to a straight person because other (ignorant) straight people made your life hell. Though I really can understand the temptation to get back at someone - I do have to bite my tounge a lot around some of the people at school...

 

Besides, it's a free country (or should be)

 

And which country is that?

I find it facisnating how attitudes to homosexuals differ between countries - and towns and cities even. I have a {censored} friend who lives in a city in Virginia. I am very jealous of how open he can be - and how many {censored} friends he has. They even have a sort of '{censored} club' that resides at the local Laser Tag (don't go there on a weekday evening you aren't {censored}!!). I live in a fairly rural area of Scotland (I don't personally consider it to be rural, but aparently, if you live 4 hours away from a motorway, it's remote!) and I know attitudes around here aren't very friendly. It is also very dependant on which social group you are in. If you're a {censored} chav - you're scuppered. But if you're in with the Mosher/Emo crowd, they are much more accepting and open.

 

Your opinion is very valid aquanutz, I just hate the way people take advantage of their sexuallity. It's becoming a joke in this country. It's so politically correct. If you are in any minority, it's as if you have more rights! Not very fair, if you ask me.

 

It's interesting hearing people's opinions on homosexuallity, hopefully this thread can remain free of hatred and ignorance, like the one that was closed.

[gwprod12]

All opinions are valid. But why should I have to live under the moral expectations of someone else, when they arent required to live under my moral expectations?

[Paranoid Marvin]

All opinions are valid. But why should I have to live under the moral expectations of someone else, when they arent required to live under my moral expectations?

 

At the end of the day, in this 'Democratic' society, it's the opinion of the majority that becomes the norm

[gwprod12]

Assuming that's true, it only proves my point. By hiding your sexuality, you're artificially depressing the numbers of people who are of your sexuality, thus decreasing your political power and your say, thus causing your own oppression. By all means, be ashamed of what you're into. But dont ask me to be.