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http://www.informationweek.com/news/manage...cleID=209900983

 

 

http://www.computerworld.com/action/articl...ticleId=9111090

 

 

 

Psystar has retained for its defense a high-profile, Silicon Valley law firm that has previously tangled with Apple -- and won. It's a sign that Psystar, despite its miniscule size, intends to see to its conclusion a case that could have a profound impact on the personal computer industry. Quite interesting times are ahead I think..... On one side Apple is trying to change to another chip for its products and in the meanwhile may be Apple is forced to license its OS to other firms if it lost the case. :) What you think?

kitmac
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yeah i was hoping this topic would come up....

 

Sounds like apple is heading towards a different direction with their processors, completely ignoring the new centrino 2's.

Maybe the OS will be opened if psystar wins but then apple changes their architecture completely and were back at square one.... :)

~pcwiz
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Sounds like apple is heading towards a different direction with their processors, completely ignoring the new centrino 2's.

 

Think about this though, even if Apple decides to switch to a different architecture, think of the current Intel macs that are based on the Core 2 Duo/Xeon. Apple won't drop support for those Intel macs = the hackintosh project can still move on.

idividebyzero
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Its not surprising with all the press, I was expecting some firm with clout to come foward. Top firms will work for free for this kind of attention.

 

As for apple ditching Intel, thats just absurd, there is no other chipmaker better than Intel for consumer PC's.

coolied
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yeah i was hoping this topic would come up....

 

Sounds like apple is heading towards a different direction with their processors, completely ignoring the new centrino 2's.

Maybe the OS will be opened if psystar wins but then apple changes their architecture completely and were back at square one.... :P

 

Centrino 2 is a mobile PLATFORM, not a processor; and is comprised of 1) specific Intel processors, 2) specific Intel chipsets, and 3) specific Intel WLAN cards. Apple has stated they plan on continuing to use Intel CPUs. The deviation from the Centrino 2 platform could be something as simple as a switch to a non-Intel motherboard chipset; perhaps Apple is unhappy with the fact that Intel's mobile chipsets are consuming ever increasing amounts of power and has a plan to use a more efficient non-Intel chipset for better battery life (note the announcement of skipping the Centrino 2 platform is specifically notebook-based, the new Mac desktops could very well continue to use Intel chipsets); technically even in Apple used a Broadcom WLAN chipset instead of an Intel WLAN chipset, this would be enough to make a notebook technically NOT Centrino 2 based, even if everything else was identical.

 

Article Link:

 

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/07...r_the_hood.html

 

Quote from article:

 

"As such, people familiar with these plans say an upcoming generation of Macs, lead by a trio of redesigned notebooks, won't adopt the Montevina chipset announced as part of Intel's Centrino 2 mobile platform earlier this month. What's more, those same people suggest the chipset employed by the new wave of Macs may have little or nothing to do with Intel at all. (This should not be confused with the primary CPU, which will continue to come from Intel.)"

 

reading into this, it could mean something as simple as a switch to a 3rd-party non-Intel chipset, such as an nVidia chipset or similar. It doesn't even mean the new Macs will be significantly different than a PC, since MANY PCs use non-Intel chipsets.

 

Another quote from article:

 

"Another option is that Apple could forge a relationship with one of the other established third party chipset manufacturers, such as NVidia, AMD or Via, in a move that would allow the company to build its next-generation systems using technology cherry-picked from the best of both worlds."

 

In other words, Apple could; for example, switch to an nVidia chipset simply because they want to start supporting SLI or something similar. Then again, they could be switching to something designed in-house and custom built like they did with the PPC architecture, but that would be extremely non-cost-effective; and negate the whole purpose of switching to Intel CPUs in the first place. 3rd party chipsets from nVidia and the like make more sense, since they tend to be LESS EXPENSIVE than Intel chipsets of equal or lesser capabilities; and this could all be a measure to cut costs even more. Also, it was never mentioned that Apple wouldn't continue to make other systems that DO use Intel chipsets, all that was mentioned was that 3 of their upcoming notebooks wouldn't use Centrino 2; this could also signify a new low cost notebook line that use nVidia chipsets and Celeron processors, for example; this would also make them non-Centrino 2; heck; a Centrino 2 chipset/WIFI with a Celeron processor would be considered NON-Centrino 2; since the Centrino 2 platform specifies a Core 2 Duo T9400 or T9600 processor. Finally, this whole move to skip Centrino 2 for their notebooks could simply point to a supply problem, the Centrino 2 with Integrated GPU had some problems and the launch was delayed to August; perhaps Apple needed to get to designing the new systems and couldn't wait around for Intel's chipset to become available and thus were forced to abandon the Centrino 2 platform.

 

 

ANOTHER EDIT (AND LINK):

 

PC Perspective seems to be reasonably sure it's going to be an nVidia chipset, the MCP79:

 

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=598

 

The Macbook Pro line will probably use the 9600M, 9700M, or 9800M discrete GPU, the Macbook will use the MCP79 integrated.

Stravaganza
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http://www.informationweek.com/news/manage...cleID=209900983

http://www.computerworld.com/action/articl...ticleId=9111090

Psystar has retained for its defense a high-profile, Silicon Valley law firm that has previously tangled with Apple -- and won. It's a sign that Psystar, despite its miniscule size, intends to see to its conclusion a case that could have a profound impact on the personal computer industry. Quite interesting times are ahead I think..... On one side Apple is trying to change to another chip for its products and in the meanwhile may be Apple is forced to license its OS to other firms if it lost the case. :( What you think?

Love the spirit! (But then the sources are not reliable, so.)
riws
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So who owns Intel CPU License to make Chipset for future Intel CPU's (nehalem)? SIS and ServerWorks (Broadcom)? nVdia, AMD, VIA, ULI-ALI don't own it. Its too short timeline for nVidia, cause the new CPU Architecture is knocking on the door, so why bring in a new Chipset for such short time?

Technobob
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Psystar does not have a any chance of winning because they are distributing modified Apple software for profit. The only way Psystar had any chance would have been if their machine could run OSX without modification. In any case this lawsuit will take years to work it's way through the courts and I'm sure Psystar will be bankrupt long before a verdict is ever released.

Konami®
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Psystar does not have a any chance of winning because they are distributing modified Apple software for profit. The only way Psystar had any chance would have been if their machine could run OSX without modification. In any case this lawsuit will take years to work it's way through the courts and I'm sure Psystar will be bankrupt long before a verdict is ever released.

 

I agree completely and I hope Apple destroy this company forever. How in hell these people started a business selling an OS X based in a Kalyway or Aitkos distro, it is crazy and obviously illegal.

zandera
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Psystar does not have a any chance of winning because they are distributing modified Apple software for profit. The only way Psystar had any chance would have been if their machine could run OSX without modification. In any case this lawsuit will take years to work it's way through the courts and I'm sure Psystar will be bankrupt long before a verdict is ever released.

 

i don think so. they modified (they not netkast did) a parts wich are under gpl licence... any one who is skilled enough can modify thous parts. that can be dowloaded as sources on adc.apple.com or opensource.apple.com.

the think they did not do is that they dont wrote that is a netkasts job. so netkas is one who may took em to court.

solaar
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Something tells me that psystar and their 'super-lawyers' are sawing off the branch they are sitting on...

 

However, those types of 'companies' are nothing but quick-buck hit-and-run schemes and don't contribute the slightest shred of effort to research, promotion and progress in technology. They're just little parasites.

idividebyzero
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However, those types of 'companies' are nothing but quick-buck hit-and-run schemes and don't contribute the slightest shred of effort to research, promotion and progress in technology. They're just little parasites.

You just described 99.998% of businesses in the world and every single store in existence.

solaar
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You just described 99.998% of businesses in the world and every single store in existence.

The difference is that 99% of all serious businesses PAY their (material and intellectual) suppliers and/or employees. Otherwise, no global economic system would be able to function.

 

BTW I'm referring to netkas and all the other bright heads who enabled 'companies' like psystar to offer their flagship product in a first place.

Psystar are parasites, full stop.

completing
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The difference is that 99% of all serious businesses PAY their (material and intellectual) suppliers and/or employees. Otherwise, no global economic system would be able to function.

 

BTW I'm referring to netkas and all the other bright heads who enabled 'companies' like psystar to offer their flagship product in a first place.

Psystar are parasites, full stop.

 

Who's judging who?

 

After all, we all are parasites to Apple, Neckas, and etc.

 

We are disturbing and discouring Apple's software development by using 'Hackingoshes'.

 

It doesn't matter whether you have a legal copy or not. You know it's not right.

 

I find it funny if someone says 'buy this if you like it' when sharing illegal copies.

 

Feeling sorry? Why did you do it in the first place?

Urbz
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After all, we all are parasites to Apple, Neckas, and etc.

We are disturbing and discouring Apple's software development by using 'Hackingoshes'.

LOL. Yes. Parasites who convert ourselves and the effort we put into this project into dollar signs for Apple. They must really hate us.

Come on! So many people on this board have bought Macs that this site is a money making machine. Our little operation has also been like a research project for Apple. If nothing else we prove that once curious people get a taste of OS X, they want it. (in many cases bad enough to buy a Mac)

It doesn't matter whether you have a legal copy or not. You know it's not right.

Isn't that up to the law to decide? I mean, if any of this were clear, an outcome would already be reached, no? (I don't believe in the system, but isn't that the argument?

I find it funny if someone says 'buy this if you like it' when sharing illegal copies.

Feeling sorry? Why did you do it in the first place?

ok.

solaar
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Who's judging who?

 

After all, we all are parasites to Apple, Neckas, and etc.

 

We are disturbing and discouring Apple's software development by using 'Hackingoshes'.

 

It doesn't matter whether you have a legal copy or not. You know it's not right.

 

I find it funny if someone says 'buy this if you like it' when sharing illegal copies.

 

Feeling sorry? Why did you do it in the first place?

You're mixing oranges and Apples (pun intended).

 

The bottom line remains - I (and I bet the vast majority of hackintosh owners) am not making a single penny out of the possibility to install OSX on non-Apple hardware, a possibility which is the result of somebody else's effort. Be it legit or not, that's not the issue. The overlapping line right on the bottom one is that those brilliant hackers never asked users a penny for it.

 

The only thing that's truly 'not right' in this is to come out with somebody else's idea, sell it as your own and make a profit out of it. Just the thought of it makes me want to throw up. It's just tacky and clearly a short term hit-and-run scheme of a group of cadgers. They're not any better than those dirty little rats that sell warez at car boot sales.

 

Think about it, without the 'Mac clone' psystar would be just another generic run-of-the-mill no-name computer maker.

justvisiting
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...LOL. Yes. Parasites who convert ourselves and the effort we put into this project into dollar signs for Apple. They must really hate us...

 

I call Bullspit on this.

 

*) many say macs are expensive as you get the whole ambience and the OS is thrown in for dirt cheap. so if you are not buying apple hardware, YOU are taking money from Steve Job's mouth.

 

*) Tell me, what is the difference between buying software for your hack (adobe, etc) and buying software for your psystar hack? Steve-Jay won't see a cent. the apple eco-system is still being supported.

 

Let's face it -- WE ARE FILTHY STINKING PIRATES. You like OSX? buy a mac.

 

Lets face it -- WE ARE FILTHY STINKING HYPOCRITS -- its ok for US to steal but not for psystar WHICH HAS NOT YET BEEN PROVEN IN A COURT OF LAW

 

i like capital letters. it lets me yell out loud without typing any harder.

 

Please separate your personal opinion of psyster from your legal opinion as derived from your vast experience in copyright law and the judicial system.

 

oh wait, non of us have that either -- we are just filthy stinking hypocritcal pirates.

 

you make me sick.

BigPimpin
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the think they did not do is that they dont wrote that is a netkasts job.

Say what? That is incomprehensible.

 

You just described 99.998% of businesses in the world and every single store in existence.

And as far as Apple is concerned, most of the people on this forum are in the "little parasites" category. If you're using Apple tech without paying money to Apple, then it's a valid assessment whether or not you yourself are making "a profit" on it. Almost everyone criticizing Psystar around here is guilty of a similar offense. Just because it's your "hobby", or you're not "making any money" from it doesn't mean your hands are clean. The hypocrisy is astounding, really.

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