Psystar Hires Apple-Busting Law Firm

[solaar]

Almost everyone criticizing Psystar around here is guilty of a similar offense. Just because it's your "hobby", or you're not "making any money" from it doesn't mean your hands are clean. The hypocrisy is astounding, really.

Being 'clean' or dirty or 'legit' is NOT the issue here. It's about opportunists who make money on the back of the work of others without paying them and not even giving them the due credit they deserve since without them they wouldn't even be able to make money. What is so hard to understand about this???

 

In fact the vast majority of people on here could just format their HD that has OSX on it and be squeaky 'clean' in a heart beat. Something that can definitely not be said about 'companies' who already cashed in on work they've leeched from someone else.

 

To those who seem to suggest that psystar's practices whose sole goal is profit can be somehow 'excused' by the practices of hackintosh users and developers - who's the hypocrite here??

 

Oh and by the way, speaking for myself I've already spent about US$ 6000 on genuine Apple products and I'm sure I'm actually far from being a top spender among those dealing with hackintoshes.

[Warstrong]

I hope Psystar loses

 

Computing as we know it will be over if Apple can't stop other companies from doing this. I love osx86, and I love the Mac OS on real macs, but if Apple doesn't pull this off then who knows what will happen. Ever since Apple switched to Intel the quality of their products has been dropping, and this will only increase the rate. This is a tragedy in disguise. That is, if Psystar wins.

[snakeeyes]

I hope Psystar loses

 

Computing as we know it will be over if Apple can't stop other companies from doing this. I love osx86, and I love the Mac OS on real macs, but if Apple doesn't pull this off then who knows what will happen. Ever since Apple switched to Intel the quality of their products has been dropping, and this will only increase the rate. This is a tragedy in disguise. That is, if Psystar wins.

 

how has the quality dropped?

 

fine its true that I have never owned a powerpc mac, just intel but was there such a huge difference in quality?

[Konami®]

how has the quality dropped?

 

fine its true that I have never owned a powerpc mac, just intel but was there such a huge difference in quality?

 

He is trying to say that with the PowerPC G4 and G5 Apple was unique, mean that OSX86 can't run in that time and the computer has a high degree level of quality in that time. Now we have OSX86 everywhere and companies like Psystar is trying illegally to make money with all the effort that the OSX86 has already done to run OS X in any PC.

[BigPimpin]

Apple has no right to sell an OS and dictate where and how it can be used. That's like Toyota selling their own special blend of gas/petrol and demanding that it only be used in autos made by Toyota. In the US, that's illegal. It's like me selling you a hammer and demanding you only use it with nails you buy from me. In the US, that's illegal.

 

Apple is going to be on the losing end of this battle, and rightly so.

 

Being 'clean' or dirty or 'legit' is NOT the issue here. It's about opportunists who make money on the back of the work of others without paying them and not even giving them the due credit they deserve since without them they wouldn't even be able to make money. What is so hard to understand about this???

It's called capitalism and it happens every day. The idiots are the ones who created the tools Psystar is using and didn't protect their own legal rights in the process. It might not be ethical, but it is definitely legal. Life is not fair. Get used to it.

[Konami®]

Apple has no right to sell an OS and dictate where and how it can be used. That's like Toyota selling their own special blend of gas/petrol and demanding that it only be used in autos made by Toyota. In the US, that's illegal. It's like me selling you a hammer and demanding you only use it with nails you buy from me. In the US, that's illegal.

 

Yes, they have the right to dictate their own rules, why? because they created the OS, they hold the copyright and not one have the right to modified the OS to make money, their are not Linux, in which anyone can modified the OS. Even our OSX86 is completely illegal but Apple know that we (The OSX86 community) have the contribution of been switchers, I am right now using my OSX86 only and my next computer will be a Mac. Apple know that we are future customers!

[Headrush69]

Apple has no right to sell an OS and dictate where and how it can be used.

I make no claims to knowing the U.S. laws, but my guess would be this would only be partly true.

It would make sense that if Apple sells OS X as a separate product then they can't dictate terms about where it can be used.

 

But I could easily see the bundle becoming the combination of a Mac + OS. Apple could then supply "updates", aka new OS versions only to registered owners.

If they then don't sell OS X separately, this would essentially prevent any Pystar type companies from being able to sell their systems with OS X.

 

Because the complete product is a Mac+OS I can't imagine any laws that would say Apple has to provide a non-integrated version of OS X.

[justvisiting]

When you go to the apple store, click on the apple leopard dvd package:

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

General requirements

 

Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC G4 (867MHz or faster) processor

 

512MB of memory

DVD drive for installation

9GB of available disk space

Some features require a compatible Internet service provider; fees may apply.

Some features require Apple's .Mac service; fees apply.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

Can you see where it says you need an existing installed version of OSX?

 

could be on another page. if not... opens up some possibilities

[ulin]

Apple's switch to x86 processor architecture is where the key to this whole deal lies. If they didn't switch no one would make clones because it would be too expensive to buy powerPC processors and not readily available parts. When they switched to PC architecture (because it was cheaper for them to buy hardware) they've entered the domain of PC software. And thats exactly where this is going: you cannot sell car fuel _only_ to Fords at a gas station, it is _ilegal_. I'm sure any half assed lawyer would make the same case in court in the US that you cannot sell x86 software and expect other x86 hardware but yours (Ford) to not be alowed to run it. Their case is destined to be doomed, if not by Psystar then it will be once Apple market share rises even higher and companies with more serious money start cloning and paying serious legal bills determined to win.

[Shaithis]

Being 'clean' or dirty or 'legit' is NOT the issue here. It's about opportunists who make money on the back of the work of others without paying them and not even giving them the due credit they deserve since without them they wouldn't even be able to make money. What is so hard to understand about this???

 

In fact the vast majority of people on here could just format their HD that has OSX on it and be squeaky 'clean' in a heart beat. Something that can definitely not be said about 'companies' who already cashed in on work they've leeched from someone else.

 

To those who seem to suggest that psystar's practices whose sole goal is profit can be somehow 'excused' by the practices of hackintosh users and developers - who's the hypocrite here??

 

Oh and by the way, speaking for myself I've already spent about US$ 6000 on genuine Apple products and I'm sure I'm actually far from being a top spender among those dealing with hackintoshes.

 

You need to admit to yourself that you are as bad as Psystar........To argue otherwise is pretty lame IMO.

 

All of us here have effectively given Apple the middle-finger, its back and white, don't try and justify your actions in scales of grey.

 

Even if Psystar sold their PCs with a genuine copy of OSX and a Boot-132 disk, it would still be wrong as apple only write OSX to sell hardware.

 

I've spent well over $20000 on PC hardware, I presume that gives me the right to steel all my hardware from now on?

[JustinTD]

BigPimpin - we aregued this point before, perhaps you can't grasp this concept ... YOU AREN'T BUYING THE F&@#!ING SOFTWARE! YOU ARE LICENSING IT! I refuse to get into a debate regarding the legality of licensing as opposed to buying, we have been down this road already. You DO buy a car or a hammer ...

 

Now with that said, let's talk about some other points ...

 

1. Apple HW and the OS. Apple claims they are a set. I dispute this. I would classify an upgrade as a software package which as part of the requirement for installation asks for proof of an existing version of the software (be it a serial key or actual installation.)

 

2. Apple can do whatever they want since they are only licensing the software. If they want it on their systems only, thats what they get. Now, if the courts shoot down the EULA, then thats different, as it stands now, they have not.

[solaar]

It's called capitalism and it happens every day.

No, it's called greed. Plain and simple.

 

BTW Apple pay their developers - last time I checked...

[Alessandro17]

We steal, we are pirates... {censored}

That is true of those of us who download an illegal hack from the the Bay, the Green Demon... (the majority, I am afraid).

But those of us who have bought a legal copy of OS X are not stealing.

That is called breach of EULA. You can't be prosecuted for that, you can only be sued by Apple.

In many countries Apple wouldn't stand a chance, as EULAs are not recognized.

[solaar]

We steal, we are pirates... {censored}

That is true of those of us who download an illegal hack from the the Bay, the Green Demon... (the majority, I am afraid).

But those of us who have bought a legal copy of OS X are not stealing.

That is called breach of EULA. You can't be prosecuted for that, you can only be sued by Apple.

In many countries Apple wouldn't stand a chance, as EULAs are not recognized.

Esattamente!