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its a shame really. How can they be so stupid not to sell to the U.S.?
No one gives a care for apple and why should people start to give a care for a company that has no specials and only have customers who buy their stuff because they have the money.

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Regarding to all the comments about legal stuffs:
WE ARE doing something that's illegal, Hackintosh for instance. Or a jailbroken iPod touch, softwares from TPB (or green Demon). And MANY MANY others, just think about it. From everyday routine, such as crossing a red light, even saying "F*** you" at people.

So, what's the point? Don't worry too much about it, we're all doing "something" that's not following the law. You may disagree, but some do (like me).

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Apple already changed some prices, but since you know it all so well I'm not gonna point them out to you. On the other hand Apple shows us in Europe prices where tax is included. Complain to your local government for having a ~20% tax on computers, not to Apple.


Yup, you're right.
For example:

Mexico, MacBook Pro with Educational Discount:

> $1999 + tax (300) = $2299

US, MacBook Pro with Educational Discount:

> $1899 + tax (150) = $2049

So, in fact, do not blame Apple, the taxes are the problem with this.

Regarding to this topic, it does not makes it more legal, you're running Mac OS X on
non-Apple hardware, so it is the same as the hackintosh


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Ok, two bets here:

1. It will be severely overpriced.
2. It's going to get hacked, ripped, posted on the internet, and the age of Apple's monopoly on Mac hardware will soon come to an end. :)

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Apple really can't do anything about it legally.

EULA won't hold up in court - Apple's legal team knows that.

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How can that be possible?
I mean how is that legal?
In the Licence Agreement of Mac OSX it says something like that you are NOT allowed to install OSX on NON-APPLE Hardware?

So HTF is that possible?

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Don;t forget about russia, minimal macbook pro here is 3000$ :D

1ker, that's pretty legal, EULA says u can't isntall it on Apple LABELED computer (not a Apple MANUFACTURED computer), with every leopard retail disk u gets two copy sticks with Apple Label, so jsut puting them on your PC will make your PC apple labeled, and all's Legal :D

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Yup, you're right.
For example:

Mexico, MacBook Pro with Educational Discount:

> $1999 + tax (300) = $2299

US, MacBook Pro with Educational Discount:

> $1899 + tax (150) = $2049

So, in fact, do not blame Apple, the taxes are the problem with this.

Regarding to this topic, it does not makes it more legal, you're running Mac OS X on
non-Apple hardware, so it is the same as the hackintosh


So how about this one then:

US basic MacBook Pro $1999 (without discount)

The Netherlands: Basic Macbook Pro 1799 euro.

Now you might think, hey.....that's quite descent of Apple by bringing that price down. But after you use a currency convertor using the current exchange rate for Euro vs Dollar you discover that the same basic MacBook pro costs 2,757.09 USD over here.

So they are not that nice at all if you think of the fact that taxes are 19% here (so a macbook pro should cost 2378,81 USD (=1,552.44 EUR). Make no mistake....Apple charges 14% more for the same MacBook Pro here for no apperent reason even including local taxes.

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all what this stick can be is a regular usb storage stick with some software on it. i never had any usb device that could alter the boot process except bootable usb sticks. as the video shows, it's just some kind of loader.
the only way i can imagine is that this software is locked to be used with that stick it is distributed on but it's just some kind of software after all...not some magic hardware device

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if this thing will work, Apple will go to stop it ... a few OSX86 Hackers wont make them angry, but "a Mac in a Stick" they wont tolerate ... believe it !


That's perfect, mac in stick.

The thing that I wonder about is whether AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement works, whether sleep and speedstep work. If not, this piece of hardware is useless, I might as well just keep dsmos, my CPUPowerManagement disabler and SMBIOSEnabler.

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Isnt the EULA like windows you cant actually read it till you opent the box,, At end off the day who really cares most here install osx illegaly and this new usb device is only going to make it easier for a few to install leaopard / tiger im no expert but like the dvd`s now you still need the right hardware for im sure most will still need to replace a driver or 2 here and there.

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-While this device may allow OS 10 to be installed, won't the driver situation be just like that of the OSx86 project?
-How will Apple respond to this?


For me those two questions are important.

If I have to use "custom" drivers just like we use in our OSx86 installs, what's the real advantage for me? Specially because in my case I can run vanilla kernel? Besides, I do not pay anything today...

And if they gonna charge for this thing, in my head I can already imagine the noise this will cause inside Apple. They won't leave this so easely IMO.

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Hey wait a second, what can Apple really do about this? Is it illegal to have EFI for regular pc's? Unless thats illegal then they can't really do much about it right? They r going to have to go after those that use it to install OS X on their machines which they can't really do.

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To boot I will need the USB connected after the installation?

If yes, Why Should I use it?

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Apple will just laugh at this PC enthusiast (not our OSX86) community where it is so fragmented by its own success of the PC architecture. All board manufacturers try to differentiate themselves with BIOS tweakers here and there. Throw in the weight of two giant heavy weights ATI and NVidia, ones that have distinctively different approach to graphics, ATA, SATA, sound and network- and you have complete inaccordance.
What we need to have is governing body to set standards of EFI (like those of USB and IEEE) for everyone to follow. Or pay up the royalties and use Intel's EFI. Board manufacturers have been doing this with the chipsets from Intel.

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About this EFiX thing. Nothing can stop this company selling their product. They didn't break any law or EULA. All they do is making a device emulating EFI for BIOS system (I am assuming there is nothing else than EFI emulator for any OSes in the device). The only thing that possibly causes a problem for them is that they encourage others to break a contract with a third party (in this case, Apple Inc.) in their advertisement. This practice of consumer torture has been done everyday in U.S. anyway. (Mobile phone, telephone, credit card companies et cetera.) It is not a severe legal problem. It is just unethical. Once it is challenged in court, it won't be help up in my opinion.

1ker, that's pretty legal, EULA says u can't isntall it on Apple LABELED computer (not a Apple MANUFACTURED computer), with every leopard retail disk u gets two copy sticks with Apple Label, so jsut puting them on your PC will make your PC apple labeled, and all's Legal :)

A funny interpretation on label you got there. Your claim may hold for you, possibly not in court. The real trouble about Apple-labeled computer is that Apple didn't define what Apple-labeled computer is in its Mac OS X EULA. (For you this might help: it's like using a variable without declaring and initializing it.) That does not mean one can interpret the phrase in his favor. And on top of that, even if Apple-labeled computer means Apple hardware, the clause is not a law; it is just a clause in a contract, which never has been tested. So there is no legal or illegal about it yet.

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The label thing is a myth.. every lawyer I've presented that argument to (ok all 3 of them :)) laughed at it and said that the reasonable interpretation of "Apple Labelled" is "Labelled by Apple", i.e. Apple branded. No-one seriously believes you can "go legal" by sticking a sticker on your machine. The issues lie elsewhere, with things like the viability of the eula as a post-sales contract etc.

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Lately, I noted that if anything is announced that could help spread OSX to more people is negatively accepted?

Remember, is Apple's fault, with their high prices and lack of hardware variety that pretty much created the OSX86 movement.

If this thing works, more power to it.

Psystar? great for them for trying, except for the part of no giving it dues to the people that worked so hard on bringing OSX to PC's.

Me? I always liked Mac's, since the original Mac and never agreed with their prices. So any cheap way i can get OSX, I will go for it.

Also, do you guys think that Apple is that stupid?

They know about this place, Psystar and now this people and guess what? they wont do much, since they know that we are expanding their user base and that will help sell more stuff under the OSX banner.

So, lets be more positive in anything that can help us install, use OSX on our pc's

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They spelled Ukraine in Russian. Those {censored}. *shakes fist*

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Just 2 questions?

1. Why is it not sold to Brazil?
2. Why is it not sold in the web via paypal or anything like that
3. Would Insanelly members get a discount?


The 3 is not a question is more like a demand

:D :D :D :D





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