A Nonny Moose Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 But Apple has shipped out a paid product itself that had a virus before. But instead of admitting full blame first, they took a jab at windows and then admitted blame, which shows their level of maturity. The reaction from Apple fanboi's? Let's blame Microsoft instead of Apple. We had an interesting discussion on that before here, but I don't know if it died in a board takeover or what. Hell, I don't even remember what I said in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cringemaster Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 I'm sorry, but if you download software illegally, this is what you get. This is in no way Apples fault. Either grab a safe torrent or just buy the software. No biggie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Nonny Moose Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 I know money is tight but blanket trust and stupidity is much more costly. This isn't blanket trust in Apple. This is blanket trust in downloading software illegally from a "trusted torrent site." There is a huge difference here, as the $79 iWork CD doesn't have this trojan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyanIdMako Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Just gonna throw out my opinion real quick. I agree it isn't apples fault, not much they can do to stop something like that. Then again I see the other side where most attacks on windows systems happen the same way. (Don't have any statistics but this is speaking from my experience.) I'm just interested to see if stuff like this happens more often, seems most mac users say their operating system is more secure by design, naysayers scream "Security by obscurity". Whatever happens it still was/is a significant attack IMO 20,000+ users infected within the day, whether apple's fault or not is significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Chief Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 People are free to express whatever opinions they wish about a company. Microsoft released their first stuff back in the late 1970's - think that stops anyone from bashing them? Opinions must be based on something, not thin air. At least in my book. This discusion is over for me (let's stick to the topic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ModdTaco Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Lulz to Mac Pirates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muthu22 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I am new this site. its very informative about Trojans. i learn lot of things about Trojans. this is a great job. keep it up. -------------- Muthu Camping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HyruleKnight Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Since any desktop OS must always have an option (admin/root account) to let at least one user do whatever they want (something that is necessary and unavoidable), there's no way the OS can protect the user from himself from every possible thing the user decides to do, install or run. Getting "infected" with a trojan that came along with a piece of software from an untrusted source that the user installed is ultimately the user's fault and not the OS's, regardless of if it's Mac OS, Windows, Linux, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fryke Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 You're of course actively forgetting the people creating the trojan and the (other?) ones packaging it in a .dmg and putting it onto the scene in your argument, HyruleKnight. It's a _little_ bit their fault as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detosx Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 This isn't blanket trust in Apple. This is blanket trust in downloading software illegally from a "trusted torrent site." There is a huge difference here, as the $79 iWork CD doesn't have this trojan.That's what I'm saying, A Nonny Moose, fellow PPC user (Mac Mini)! If people aren't buying their Mac software, karma is going to get em, on one level or another. I agree with people that it's not Apple's fault but... in the unlikely event that some virulent virus somehow breaches Leopard's defences, without need of the user entering their admin password, and spreads from Mac to Mac... it does become Apple's problem. One thing I find strange, why would people download iWork from a torrent site, rather than the trial from Apple? It's that blanket trust that I find stupifying. Hopefully those people are wide awake, now, and will buy iLife09 at $79. It costs $169 for the Mac Box Set, which comprises of single user editions of iWork09, iLife09 and Leopard, or $229 for the family pack version of the same, which seems like money well spent. You're virtually getting iWork for free! Here's a thought, in these recessionary times. I am a borderline Mac fanboy but... do any of the people downloading iWork over the torrents actually need it, when you could use Neo Office, instead, which is free and highly regarded? Do you need iLife, when iPhoto is the only app from the suite that you are likely to use with any regularity, when you could instead use the free Mac version of Picassa (which hopefully can be skinned because it surrrrre looks ugly, cough) and Video Lan Player, which will play DVDs from any region. I know The Gimp isn't photoshop, but you can get a Photoshop GUI shell for it, I'm told, and it probably does everything you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohoo Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 You guys are serious?? You say its the user's fault who downloaded the pirated software and installed to their computer?Ok so windows xp and every windows are really safe if you dont install anything! One of the most serious jobs of an OS must be to warn and protect the system from anything harmful is being installed or being put in it. Of course apple has done a great job so far as there is no need for most users to run antivirus software in their mac os. But well which company can be 100% virus clean??There isnt and there wont be.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordlex Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 @ohoo: Question: "You say its the user's fault who downloaded the pirated software and installed to their computer?" Answare: No, was actualy Steve Jobs (or maybe Bill Gates?!?!?) that loged in remote to your Mac and downloaded pirated iWork 09 and installed it... Your remark: "One of the most serious jobs of an OS must be to warn and protect the system from anything harmful is being installed or being put in it." My remark: I don't want to say something about your thinking... but you know, a program that comunicate over internet is your torrent client too, why not block it withing the OS? And now, after reading lot of replys here, i just wonder... LOL! How stupid YOU could be to say it's Apple's fault that YOU downloaded and installed a software provided by a dude that just wanted to make fun of you?!?!? No one say pirated software is always clean... there are lots of windows software on torrents that are NOT clean. It is Microsoft's fault that there are that software? NO(!) it is not... it's user's fault that use suck software. So stop fking arround and buy the original... cuz more than 95% of problems with computers happend because users are stupid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John the Geek Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 cuz more than 95% of problems with computers happend because users are stupid... Amen brotha, AMEN!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eject Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 you overlooked something. it's a difference if a virus or trojan executes itself due to scripts or anything else without the user interacting. but installing a virus by hand can never be prevented by the system, a virus is just a program like any other program Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quetzalcoatl2435 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 ...Ok so windows xp and every windows are really safe if you dont install anything! ... One of the most serious jobs of an OS must be to warn and protect the system from anything harmful is being installed or being put in it. ... No OS can see the difference between, say your word processor and a trojan; or between a virus and a bittorrent client; or between a worm and an antivirus; or ... you get the point. That is, unless the OS has an internal virus/trojan/worm database, which will be obsolete by the time the OS ships anyway. The OS only knows that a program is trying to run and that's what an OS basically does; letting programs run. The best thing that it can do is prevent main system files from being replaced. I don't think your car would warn you if you light a flamethrower in it... That said, yes, all Operating Systems *are* really safe if you don't install anything, don't connect to the internet, and don't hook up any external data storage devices to it. Or, you could just buy original software (and don't connect to the internet, that's a must). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohoo Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 LOL! How stupid YOU could be to say it's Apple's fault that YOU downloaded and installed a software provided by a dude that just wanted to make fun of you?!?!?No one say pirated software is always clean... there are lots of windows software on torrents that are NOT clean. It is Microsoft's fault that there are that software? NO(!) it is not... it's user's fault that use suck software. So stop fking arround and buy the original... cuz more than 95% of problems with computers happend because users are stupid... You have bought all of your software?If you havent you are stupid too. But you seem like a clever guy who cant be fooled. And close your transmission pls. There are people who want to make fun of you.. I know its not apples or microsofts fault that somebody installs and runs a downloaded software.maybe i didnt express myself right. i meant about the antivirus protection of the system that an OS must have. But as i said in the end there cant be an OS virus free. Sorry for my english. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxintosh Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 It's kinda stupid to download the cracked installer, since you can freely download trials from Apple website and use a *cough* legit *cough* license code. :censored2: Yeah but people need common sense to do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordlex Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Yeah but people need common sense to do that ROFL! Yea! @ohoo: Yea, probably you didnt express yourself well... And yes, most of my software is licensed (as I am webdesigner and my company pay for my software)... I know not all ppl afford to buy all the software they use, but if you open your eyes wide before you get and install something it's a good ideea. Keep your firewall on and set, get MacScan is a good ideea too... and so on... You have a brain, use it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PainWarlock Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 its apple and the users biggeted fault who put out there im invincible to virus {censored} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gengstapo Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Wow I thought macs could not get viruses XD Just poking fun, thats what people get for downloading pirated software........................*closes torrent program* trojan aint viruses. accroding to webopedia the term of trojan were "A destructive program that masquerades as a benign application. Unlike viruses, Trojan horses do not replicate themselves but they can be just as destructive. One of the most insidious types of Trojan horse is a program that claims to rid your computer of viruses but instead introduces viruses onto your computer." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxintosh Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 One of the most insidious types of Trojan horse is a program that claims to rid your computer of viruses but instead introduces viruses onto your computer ...also known as Vista Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrates Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 ...also known as Vista Says another fanboi who can't face reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxintosh Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Says another fanboi who can't face reality. By your knee-jerk reaction, it sounds more like you're the fanboi. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrates Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 By your knee-jerk reaction, it sounds more like you're the fanboi. LOL Far from it. Just correcting your so called fact about Windows Vista. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxintosh Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Just correcting your so called fact about Windows Vista. Good, now use google and tell that to the million or so other people who feel the same as we do. Guess you're right and they're all wrong about this vista "fact". LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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