Semthex's Propaganda

[mac-mini]

I'll grab the logs and show you what he said when I get home. It wasn't "Hello, Swad, let's talk about things" it was "You're such an F****** hypocrite..." It got so bad I had to use the "ignore" function on him - something I've never done to anyone in my history of being on IRC. And you're right, it's easy to be antagonized - I got quite upset at him on IRC (and on the forum) and I've been trying my best (and sometimes failing) to keep calm. And BTW - what's immature is not what he posted (although all the baseless allegations were immature), but it's signing up for 15 different accounts instead of trying to work with someone.

 

That's immature.

 

the only people i ignore on IRC are ones that say "OMG IS ANYONE THERE" every 5 seconds

 

i assume that swad has payed his fare share of $ to this community. swad has always been there for the community, and so what if he has made a little money off the website? what does it matter. this website never was about making money and hopefully never will be.

 

i think you are right. invision licence $150, the planet hosting around $259 and thats probaly not all

[Soündless]

severs cost $$$

[mac-mini]

haha the planet is the server

[Soündless]

oh, right, my bad

[mortis]

Swad:

 

You did a great job setting up and organizing the server.... That meant a lot o members and views, and you used well the opportunity for eBusiness.

 

Enjoy your well earned money!

[intrax]

It's an outrage to make that kind of money from the hard work put in by others (developpers and community members)

 

I give semthex full credit for his reaction and I agree with him. I also will not post here anymore as well as will all other community members that thought to be part of a community free of commercial sh*&%#iit, what you have pretended to be, but helas this turned out not to be the case.

 

InsanelyMac will swifly DIE, because of dried up input from key community members, who have fled to other places and that goes quickly on the net these days. Sitecontent lifespan is 2-3 months maximum. Most people come here to get new 'stuff' for their hackintoshes. If that dries up the site will dry up, just plain and simple, but you probably don't care, allthough pretending otherwise, as you have reeled in your $$$$$...

 

You are a true politician in the making, because they always bite you in the throat, therefore they are untrustworthy.

 

These are my 2cts

[Soündless]

how would he pay for the site w/out adds? do you want him to let this site use all his money and drag him down so you can have an "advertising free" site to use. i dont really know too much about what happend w/ semthex, but from what i have heard, he over reacted. he came here on his own free will to share and learn information, he should not have expected money out of it, i dont expect money for any of the things i might do, and neither should he

 

edit (add on): do you know why he sold the site? if he had kept it, it would have died because he wouldn't have the time to maintain it. he sold it to keep it alive.

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[39thRonin]

Swad,

 

You have my total gratitude for running this forum as you have for the past few years. Contrary to what some others have said, there is nothing wrong with making money. Certainly there has been a ton of talent on this site - all of whom have contributed to varying degrees. However, when the bills come due each month, YOU are the one signing the checks to keep the lights on and this forum running. None of these people talking about "dividing" the money and such have anything to say in the matter - do with it as you see fit. Hell, I was thinking today what a great idea for paying for college. Instead of mooching off Mom & Dad, this guy used his talents and his brains and paid his own way. These days, that is a rare commodity indeed (just look at the near communist statements some of these idiots are making!).

 

So, the net of it is - enjoy your success. You've done (and I am certain will continue to do) a great service for all of us. Thanks!

 

PS - The real thing that bugs me? 90% of the people bitching about you & money wouldn't think twice about dropping big bucks on some porn site ;-)

[Swad]

It's an outrage to make that kind of money from the hard work put in by others (developpers and community members)

Show me anything in the modern world in which money is not made from the hard work of others, and I'll be happy to give you any money I've earned on this site. There's nothing wrong with using what others have (freely) given to make a living. To name just a few of the honorable professions that do so: scholars, clergy, reporters, doctors, scientists, trash collectors...

I give semthex full credit for his reaction and I agree with him. I also will not post here anymore as well as will all other community members that thought to be part of a community free of commercial sh*&%#iit, what you have pretended to be, but helas this turned out not to be the case.

I've never pretended this site to be anything other than what it is. I feel that you're severely overreacting to the earning of money here. I've always been clear to anyone who has asked (and many who haven't) - I'm here to lead a community and I earn money from it on the side. If that's against your worldview, that's fine - but that's how this site has and always will be run.

InsanelyMac will swifly DIE, because of dried up input from key community members, who have fled to other places and that goes quickly on the net these days.

We'll see. I know that Semthex feels he's the only reason people have come to this site over the past six months (he's told me as much), but his ego won't allow him to see that it's bigger than him or me.

If that dries up the site will dry up, just plain and simple, but you probably don't care, allthough pretending otherwise, as you have reeled in your $$$$$...

Riiiight... because I'll just be able to forget about all the hours (days in real terms) that I've invested here? Yup, you're right.

You are a true politician in the making, because they always bite you in the throat, therefore they are untrustworthy.

First, I haven't decided on politics yet. Secondly, they aren't all crooks. Finally, since when did I become untrustworthy? Where are my lies?

These are my 2cts

I respect them and respectfully disagree with them. But since you accuse me of "biting people in the throat" I wouldn't give you much more than 2 cents for them...

 

Soundless -

edit (add on): do you know why he sold the site? if he had kept it, it would have died because he wouldn't have the time to maintain it. he sold it to keep it alive.

Exactly right.

[postaldave]

am i the only one that feels like they got to the party too late?

 

 

i really do hope all of this does pass and all the great work keeps up.

i've donated here and to others and it is very sad to see any of this.

 

i do think it is a good idea to go ahead and let this post stand, it's better then

evil rumors floating around.

[romey-rome]

Uhh..I'm archiving this site just in case.

[Zulu.Walker]

I'm a simple guy. And I see this as:

 

1. If money was made off OSX86 development and it was not used for OSX86: misappropriation of funds.

2. If money is demanded for dubiously illegal work on code that wasn't even yours to begin with: outright stealing.

3. If money was made off InsanelyMac that was used for something other than OSX86/IM: misappropriation of funds.

 

If money was given directly as thanks, no qualms about that, it's between the two parties and none of our business. Everyone knows the power and the benefits one can have for spearheading a large community, and those benefits are as much enticing as any.

 

On money: Everyone's bread and butter. If SWAD filled his coffers with all our ad-funded gold coins, no problem, he's making ends meet. If it was a perfect world he wouldn't spend a cent on himself and give it all back to the community. And so...

 

Welcome to the real world. And yes, everyday someone is trying to make money offa you.

 

Personally, I thank you SWAD for setting up a place where we could share our thoughts and developments on OSX86. You're no saint for selling the ownership to the site for cash, but you certainly deserve a part of it. I'm not against monetary gratitude, but I'd certainly wish that that gratitude be spread among those who are really deserving of such thanks.

 

This site-bashing has gone far enough already. It's all about the money that semthex (or any other selfish dev) never got a hold of.

 

If you *expect* to get paid, a real legitimate job is the answer. I rest my case.

[BlackShadowWolf]

This is what happens in the real world, money is very corrupted. Im glad to hear the money is going to be used for charity in some way, just another fact that there are still some good people in this cruel world . When I first joined, I was hesitant of donating as first, I was afraid Apple legal may come as I donated to a less than noble cause >.>, as well as I wasn't sure if I would learn anything really useful. But after being here Im glad I took the plunge and donated. I've learned a lot things dealing on all sorts of topics, even If I only read the discussions and dont contribute.

 

Keep up the good work Swad, you deserve a lot of credit for going against the grain and starting a community that has knocked the socks off hacking. I hope things can get resolved, as though I havent used OSX86 in almost a year, I still hope the development goes strong . Maybe one day Mr. Jobs will say "yeah that InsanelyMac, they're an alright place." Can't stop the dreaming.

[ttyseven]

As swad said earlier he is here to earn money?

 

semthex has collected some donations which were gift from the users invested it into something he still uses for work on this project.

 

Swad makes professional money.

 

Making professional money is immo just miss use of funds and resource made with something not belong to you. This site is based up on Apple's property, something which does not belong to any of you.

 

19.600 $ a year are more than 10 servers costs. Also if I calculate rigth from what said, you had savings from the site? I am sure you not sold them with it, so the deal about the sale is than even much higher? 100.000$ or more?

 

For me this look like abusing a position in a project to get a monthly income. If you gather money proffessional, you not serving a project anymore, you only serve yourself and you are businessman.

[CoolBits]

All of you whining abou the money... go out and make your own successful site, maintain it and donate all income from ads to charity...

Yeah right...i would really like to see that

 

Im happy that we have a community like this and i dont care if owner makes money on ads... its the info i get here that matters to me,

and i give back as much info as i can... this is priceless.

 

Go check some other sites spammed with ads... this one has very minimum of it and i really like it.

 

Here is not about the community... its about maintaining the background, and that is not easy.

[arenared]

My only cents here..

 

I think Mash did a great job in creating this and with everyone's input and developement has turned into what it is today..

 

SO.. maybe whatever you sell the site for it should be given back to the very community that realized it.

 

why not? and how..

 

Well i think you've peaked your " productivity with a imac and macbook" im sure you paid everyone back for your macbook out of money that the site was generating.. but abck to my point.

 

i say get the active developers imacs so they can be more "productive" , upgrade the server.. add another one.. pay the hosting for a year.. anything other than pocketing it.

 

just my opinion.

[mifki]

Umm, if i remember mash got a macbook via a referal site. So why bicker over his macbook?

 

And i find it funny how everybody is whinging, as far as im concerned, asking for donations is just stupid, semthex did it, jas did it, now anybody who makes a little package (which doesnt take much skill) asks for donations, so they continue there great work, lol. Most of you guys are whingers, i dont agree with what the "core dev team did" but i dont go posting little {censored} threads (this is not at u swad). Saying, your all going to die, im not coming here again, ever. I for one am not leaving this site. And if you people leave the site over such a small incident, then you guys gotta go and get a life . Im not sayin gthat i dont respect the devs, because i do, i repsect most of them (the ones who actually do work i.e: semthex,netkas, jas) but the others, as far as im concerned. they can go {censored} themselves :D

[adriandkicks]

This is my view and I guarentuee that a lot of people are not going to likes it.

 

I am 100% on Swad's side. Semthex and a lot of other people on this site have over reacted.

 

I ask you a couple of questions:

 

1) How many man hours has Swad put into maintaing and posting on this site?

2) If he worked for a company for this time at full pay rates (~$30Hr) how much do you think he would get payed?

 

Any money that he makes off this site I believe that he has the right to do what he wants with it because I consider it as compensation for the man hours that he has put into maintaining and upgrading this site.

 

Thank you for creating such a great community and hope you enjoy the fruits of your labor.

[nixblicker]

Well and another ones opinion!

 

I have been around nearly from the start and seen how the forum as evolved over time. And that's quite fine.

 

BUT I understand semthex reaction. I am not saying he is right in all words and his reaction is quite a bit over the top but that's his thing!

 

From my perspective, this could be a GREAT forum but without the "hackers" which brought the Mac OS on a regular PC it would not be successful at all! I think that's what pissing semthex, he does the work and swad gets the money. I think this a bit black-white but understandable in some way!

 

I have donated semthex some money when he released the SSE2 10.4.8 kernel because I could run Mac OS X with full QE/CI on my Dell-laptop which is just amazing, well not that good a owning a real Mac! ;-)

 

Anyway, if swad makes money with the side, I DON'T CARE! And if he sells the side for million $ I DON'T CARE!

 

I like beeing here (well it was better in the old days, a lot of already answered question lately) and that's what counts! And if semthex does not feel like being around it's very sad, but his decision!

[Dragon]

What's the different between Google buying YouTube and this situation?

YouTube only exists because of the user contribution.

Did you see YouTube users complaining?

 

$1.6bn

[ttyseven]

My only cents here..

 

I think Mash did a great job in creating this and with everyone's input and developement has turned into what it is today..

 

There were forums before. Also you migth want to check Swads posting history. Before the sale he has been away, sometimes even fo rmonths. Actually the person who ran the site were the admins.

Kal pointed it out quite well, even if the posting was more of a personal issue but gave a good overview on what happned around from win2osx to now, would be a great read but his critics are unretrivable lost... deleted.

 

SO.. maybe whatever you sell the site for it should be given back to the very community that realized it.

 

See above.

 

i say get the active developers imacs so they can be more "productive" , upgrade the server.. add another one.. pay the hosting for a year.. anything other than pocketing it.

 

That was what semthex did for himself.

 

 

1) How many man hours has Swad put into maintaing and posting on this site?

 

See above. Mostly he has been not here for ages.

 

2) If he worked for a company for this time at full pay rates (~$30Hr) how much do you think he would get payed?

 

Exactly a company. Look on semthex's website he wrote on this, it's one of the big critic points on this, maybe read up on it.

 

I am very much agreeing what semthex said, why commerialize hacking of something? Apple things don't belong you, you can't make a business based on things you don't own.

[adriandkicks]

Well my arguement is that he is not commercialising the hacking of os x. This site is more than just about hacking os x. There are alot of other things to do here apart from os x (X86). In selling this site granted it was always going to {censored} off some people but if he isnt able to maintain the site it will go to hell anyway.

 

THE SITE HAS BEEN SOLD TO ANOTHER PERSON!! DEAL WITH IT OR BUGGER OFF BUT DONT COMPLAIN!!!!!

[Swad]

There were forums before.

This was the first (and for awhile the only) OSx86 forum.

think that's what pissing semthex, he does the work and swad gets the money.

1. If he's in it for the money, he's in it for the wrong reasons. It's never been about the money for me, as has been pointed out before. 2. He has made money from this! Did he stop asking for donations when he got his computer?

Before the sale he has been away, sometimes even fo rmonths.

What? I'm not sure what you're looking at, but I've never been away from the site "fo rmonths". There were times that I didn't have time to post much, but I would still log in, talk with admins and Mods, work on problems, etc. You've been here for 6 months and have 67 posts, and have never actually done any investigative work to back up your claims (like, oh, I don't know, talking with me about this?) - you're suddenly an expert?

Exactly a company.

Hmmm... let's see here. A company has lawyers, established pay grades, PR workers, janitors, Christmas parties, CEOs, CFOs, corporate taxes, etc... if you think that this site is a company, you're mistaken. Also, if this were a company, every action would be driven by a concern for the bottom line profit. That means that if I could have made more with popup ads, I would have used them. If I wanted to increase the bottom line, we would have had a cheaper server (and forgotten about upgrades like RAM, etc). Those things have never happened here.

why commerialize hacking of something?

Well, I think you'll find we haven't "commerialized" anything (are you really Semthex? Did you two attend the same spelling class together?). And this site has always been about more than just plain hacking - you'd realize that if you had been around longer. This site is about discussion, not patches or OS releases or anything else... including money.

[sampson]

wow, such drama!

 

 

i used to be one of the bigger programmers in the osx86 scene up until mash reared his ugly head. it was pretty clear what his intentions were for the entire 'scene' when he begged people to refer him for his free macbook. i really don't know how people thought he gave a damn about the 'scene'.

 

 

if you're interested just check my posting history.

 

interesting, your {censored} forum won't let me respond to you're 'iceburn' so here you go:

let's see:

i showed maxxus what was necessary to make no-nx work properly, did quite a lot of work with EFI and helped jas out quite often.

 

http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/X86_software

 

why not search my name and see how many ports i contributed

 

it's all pretty stupid to try an prove a point when the people you're talking to are more ignorant than country hicks. i also find it hilarious you don't even remember who i was but hey money gets to everyone's head when they horde it.

 

 

you know what i'd compare you to? zimaguy of ps2ownz. OH MY GOD I DO SO MUCH FOR THE SCENE!

 

all you did was provide a site which anyone could do and then you cashed out on it. don't make me remind you of when you tried to aquire hackintosh's irc channel. what was my complaint to you? you probably forgot by now. i told you i knew you were going to sell the {censored} off eventually and guess what? looks like i was right.

 

if you really gave two {censored} about the 'scene' you would've provided some funds towards projects that had a chance.

 

also stop trying to say you did ANYTHING in the irc channel. i'm pissing my pants with laughter because i was one of the first ops in there. i left once your stupid admin shad got pig headed. the ONLY thing you ever did in the channel was post links to your latest post on your website and tell people to digg asap. you even forced me to register to digg.com to vote your stupid site up or i was going to get my ops removed.

 

oh yeah remember your article you wrote up for the $200 mac? one of your first ones? who provided you the parts list? i'll give you a hint. the name starts with samp and ends with son. can't believe you forget your own contributors.

 

seriously, {censored} you. i'm going to go throw up now.

[zoomie]

Swad,

 

Thank you for providing a place for people to gather and exchange information. Every time I clicked on this site, I've found immense value in the information that I've learned. If you make a few pennies from the hits that I generate when visiting this site, then I say GREAT! I'm happy for you. You and the admins did a great job in running this gathering place.

 

If someone develops simply for the love of hacking I applaud them. If others make money simply because I visit this site, I say "good for them!"

 

Good luck in your studies at U of C. Chicago is a way cool town and I miss it terribly...except the cold winds coming off the Lake in January. Enjoy Chicago's two seasons...winter and construction.