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You know, normally when these topics pop up, I come up with some witty angle to discuss. Some interesting little point that adds a bit of spice to what essentially is a bland announcement of cracking attempts. But there have just been too many... I'm out of wit.

 

So I quit. For just this one news post, I'm going to give the straight facts:

 

Some Russian hackers claim to have cracked the Leopard kernel, which is currently being discussed in this thread. They've posted a few screenshots, though nothing is confirmed.

 

What happened to the unhackable Leopard, Apple? Most pundits figured that this is the time Apple would setup security, after seeing exactly how crackers played with Tiger for Intel. Either they failed to do so, or we haven't seen these new security measures yet.

 

New details as we have them...


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bluedragon1971

Posted

Sure but there is once again a new point: APSL changed, so hacking with sources will be illegal.

 

Well, when has that ever stopped people here :P LOL?

semthex

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Well, when has that ever stopped people here ;) LOL?

 

Not yet but the change is new and ppl here have to care now too, look at me, I won't be able to do source patching and publish it anymore. This does not include that I can't write about how to do so (purely theroretical, you know ;) ) but publishing patched sources/patches will be violating APSL. And people here will have to care too. The problems we will encounter with changed APSL are not clear yet but there will be much more in the future. But this is now off topic, back to Leo and the lawyers.

 

:P :3_4_9:

cyclonefr

Posted

Blah ! Leopard will be cracked, even if it's illegal...

 

Look at what some people can do with compiled binaries (Starforce, Securom, etc), so let's imagine what you can do with a source.

 

If anyone there is affraid of not running ILLEGALY Leopard one day, then he is wrong. This will happen, because as Semthex said, everything is crackable, even though it takes some times. Even the best protections nowadays are defeated. Some smart move from Apple would be to include some WGA protection à la Microsoft, though they won't do it since they don't want everyone to say "Apple, you suck, you are like Microsoft !".

 

See, Windows Vista remains for now uncracked, I mean, 10.4.8 really is cracked as Windows Vista has no REAL crack available yet (not speaking of workarounds...)

 

Don't get me wrong, Vista will be cracked, but WGA is a pain in the ass for the end user.

semthex

Posted

Sure it will be no doubt about it, but as I said, at the moment there is a huge legal risk to tinker with Leo stuff in public, that's the point no more no less. Just the note about to be careful what to tell and what to publish. :construction:

bofors

Posted

As I recall, the same kind of thing was said a year ago about Tiger. Look how that turned out. Don't you think Apple knows that their OS will be cracked? Hell, they give us the tools to do it (Xcode and the kernel source)!

 

I am sure Leopard will be cracked regardless of premature pirate-leaks, and that Apple nows it too. My point is: why help Apple at all. Until Leopord is finished no one really needs it.

 

:pirate2: + :pirate2: = :police:

 

:pirate2: + :gathering: = :tomato:

nastyhome

Posted

Then we should put on a facade when talking about Leopard OSX86 cracking...maybe say everything the opposite (eg: we cannot crack Leopard - but go dl it in demoniod)

Colonel

Posted

As I always say, if it was made by man, it can be cracked by man...

solaar

Posted

As I always say, if it was made by man, it can be cracked by man...

Well... yes but I would say... only if the incentive/effort ratio is high enough (and the funds too I suppose).

 

Example: people who know Sky digital TV in EU might have heard of NDS Videoguard, Sky's encryption system. Since its introduction in the nineties hackers have been rather cracking their teeth on it than anything else. All the other encryption systems have been hacked at some point except for videoguard.

 

But let's be 'positive' innit? :P

bxsci(macuser)

Posted

i personally believe that apple will include something to hack leopard inside the release. we must remember that apple was bult off of hackers and as much as they try to stop hacking of there system consiously, subconsiously they want us to hack the system bc it reminds them of themselves :construction:

murcielago585

Posted

I think we can all admit that we think this final release of leopard will be cracked, as it has been proven with previous and current versions of tiger. i don;t know if apple would benefit from having a crack released, but look at the bigger picture of this. most people who already own real macs and have access to the dev releases do not praise about it.

 

as everyone knows, its in its beta stages, and definatily not ready to to be released to the public. i tried the first dev leak on a mac and i;d rather go back to tiger. It is still loaded with bugs and just plain pisses you off if you use it for regular use as a stable os. imagine the problems that would arise on all our hackintosh's if its still not mastered on the real thing. so just wait, who cares about apple and how they might find a way to make it more secure; apparently everyone believes that it will indeed be cracked when it is released. in my personal opinion, leopard is definately not worth it at this point. peace

snackole

Posted

Boo fricken hoo! I thought the whole point of this was to have fun and try different things. I'm not trying to put anyone down but, let's not forget why we all love this forum so much. Helping one another to learn and grow and share in our experiences with one sole purpose - The Love Of OSX. :P

murcielago585

Posted

well then, i don;t love leopard, not yet

xiaoyoue

Posted

i wait the apple next os!!!!!!

Gooly

Posted

That's good! untill i see it running perfectly, i cant beleive...

cyclonefr

Posted

that NX thing isn't patched (yet) though...

 

So us with no NX are screwed up (for now !).

MustardTheoRy

Posted

Can't wait to run Leopard on my quad core q6700 on top a hypervisor with every popular OS ever made at the same time.

 

;)

OoOoOoO

Posted

another kernel has nonx patch, heh.

it was shared same time ago, and already deleted. you may ask peoples on #leo (macspeek network)



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