A Nonny Moose Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Let's take a trip back through time: Bush II--wiretap issue Clinton--committed perjury Bush I--essentially lied to the American public by raising taxes (read my lips...) Reagan--Iran/Contra Carter--energy crisis and refusal to act on the hostage issue Ford--Possibly the only shining light in this list Nixon--Watergate Johnson--Vietnam So with one exception, we have had over 40 years of {censored} in the Oval Office. When will it become so full of {censored} that we just won't take it anymore??? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/26046-so-when-will-the-presidency-be-tarnished-beyond-repair/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
domino Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 I think that will only happen after WW3 is over. Our only hopes are our future world leaders. We still have a lot of "old money" funding the leaders of today. So until the people from the 1930's - 1960's are gone, i'm hoping the human race can last another 60yrs without a massive war. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/26046-so-when-will-the-presidency-be-tarnished-beyond-repair/#findComment-176310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbz Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 I agree. The effects of WW2 are still being felt in North America, largely because of the "old money". Europe, IMO, is doing pretty well thanks to the EU. Russia's a mess, and the Middle East has gone mad since Israel was created. Anyone find it funny that the countries left with very little and no "old money" (for the most part) after WW2 are doing just fine? I'm speaking of course of Germany and Japan. Two of the world's richest countries, all because they used their brains (Japan HAD no natural resources!). How much longer till everyone else falls and starts being this way as well? I guess WW3. I say Al Gore for President! Heard him speaking about that new documentary he made about Global Warming was it? I practically fell in love! I'm Canadian though, so i wouldn't be able to vote for him even if he ran. -Urby Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/26046-so-when-will-the-presidency-be-tarnished-beyond-repair/#findComment-176341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenVa Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Al Gore ran for president... He got 51% of the vote. Yet, he still lost. I think the U.S. isn't ready for a real president yet. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/26046-so-when-will-the-presidency-be-tarnished-beyond-repair/#findComment-176369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
domino Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 LOL.. I see were this is going. I don't really care if it's a Democrat or a Republican that gets to be the next president. It's hard to kill a tree unless you kill the roots. The president isn't the only person that rules America. His advisers, generals, and lobbyist have strong persuasions in his decisions. They are all merely branches . And guess what? They are a majority of old money with common interests. But lets not forget about Big Oil and Corporate Citizenship. Those two play a large role on the world's economy. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/26046-so-when-will-the-presidency-be-tarnished-beyond-repair/#findComment-176379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kday Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 LOL.. I see were this is going. I don't really care if it's a Democrat or a Republican that gets to be the next president. It's hard to kill a tree unless you kill the roots. The president isn't the only person that rules America. His advisers, generals, and lobbyist have strong persuasions in his decisions. They are all merely branches . And guess what? They are a majority of old money with common interests. But lets not forget about Big Oil and Corporate Citizenship. Those two play a large role on the world's economy. Personally, I would prefer a president that is not a Democrat or Republican. Unfortunately, the majority of the people like to blindly follow a specific party, and this is not going to happen. Whatever happened to thinking for yourself? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/26046-so-when-will-the-presidency-be-tarnished-beyond-repair/#findComment-176400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogabean Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Al Gore ran for president... He got 51% of the vote. Yet, he still lost. I think the U.S. isn't ready for a real president yet. The whole argument aside... Al Gore would not have been a "real President". Honestly... what I would preferred... Jeb instead of George. Jeb has actually been good for Florida and would have been a better choice. But then again... most of you would prolly not agree with my politics anyways. I'm a federalist. I don't believe in state government other then for the purpose of management. I don't think their should be state laws or local laws. All law should be passed at the federal level. I've always been a domestic middle of the road conservative federalist republican. Always will be... and as I get older I get more and more so. The office of the President isn't going to be tarnished beyond repair, ever. You have to judge each President in his right, not the office. It's the man, not the office. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/26046-so-when-will-the-presidency-be-tarnished-beyond-repair/#findComment-176412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
domino Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Well the way I see it D-town, I hope you don't mind me calling you that kday. There will never be the right president for the common American. The animal people, green folks, colored, {censored}, women, religious, senior citizens, lower class, middle class, upper class, corps and on down the line want attention too. Thousands of citizens have to loose something in order for millions gain something. Kennedy was a great president, and even he was unpopular to a whole bunch of folks. I think any government can be mended if only the just and correct decisions are made. I do believe in self preservation, but there is a line between that and greed, arrogance, and/or ignorance. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/26046-so-when-will-the-presidency-be-tarnished-beyond-repair/#findComment-176432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
joneSi Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Honestly... what I would preferred... Jeb instead of George. Jeb has actually been good for Florida and would have been a better choice. I agree...Jeb FTW and would have been a better choice. But it'll never happen. As far as the rest...JFK started Vietnam, not Johnson (though Johnson did take it up a notch) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War#J...E2.80.931963.29 I don't think the presidency will ever be tarnished beyond repair. Its as simple as that. Presidents are -still- human. And to err is human...the minute that I start expecting perfection out of a Pres. is the same time I start expecting it out of me. I strive for it, but I learn from mistakes that I make...because they do happen. joneSi Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/26046-so-when-will-the-presidency-be-tarnished-beyond-repair/#findComment-176606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Nonny Moose Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share Posted August 30, 2006 I agree...Jeb FTW and would have been a better choice. But it'll never happen. As far as the rest...JFK started Vietnam, not Johnson (though Johnson did take it up a notch) (Let's not use Wikipedia as up to 50% of it is wrong.) I don't think the presidency will ever be tarnished beyond repair. Its as simple as that. Presidents are -still- human. And to err is human...the minute that I start expecting perfection out of a Pres. is the same time I start expecting it out of me. I strive for it, but I learn from mistakes that I make...because they do happen. joneSi Yeah, Kennedy did start it, but I didn't feel like going any further than Johnson, as we truly got to see a deliberate pattern after forty years of presidents. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/26046-so-when-will-the-presidency-be-tarnished-beyond-repair/#findComment-177436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
joneSi Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Yeah, Kennedy did start it, but I didn't feel like going any further than Johnson, as we truly got to see a deliberate pattern after forty years of presidents. I know, I was just being I can see it as being Johnson as well who started the conflict...as he was the one that escalated it... BTW, IDK about Ford being a shining light on the list...he -did- pardon Nixon for anything he ever did involving Watergate. joneSi Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/26046-so-when-will-the-presidency-be-tarnished-beyond-repair/#findComment-177799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbot1000 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Call me crazy, but I think the US is too big, weve got the deep south, arguing with the pacific northwest over laws, I mean, YOU HAVE TO HAVE STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, not everybody feels the same way on this ENTIRE continent, infact I think we should be split up, I honestly dont think of myself as American, not at all, I think of myself as from Washington State, when 9/11 happened, it was as if I was hearing the broadcast happening in canada, sad, but not my country, so lilfe goes on...When one part of the country cant identify with the other part, its time for a lovely split. I mean, look how polarized this country is... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/26046-so-when-will-the-presidency-be-tarnished-beyond-repair/#findComment-177930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OryHara Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 I mean, look how polarized this country is... You have a REALLY good point there. Depending on where you live, the economy is different here than there, and different there than there. Depending on where you live. Down here in Mississippi, we don't much like California, and the culture there. The western culture doesn't like people form the North East. It depends on where you are, and how you life, and the people around you. I tend to be an independent thinker. I listen to metal, I am a Christian, I hate the republican party, and don't too much care for the majority of the other partys. None of them represent me, and what I believe. If I had to pick at the drop of a hat, I would probably pick the Pirate Party, Independent (Ralph Nadar), or Democrat. Thomas Jefferson - "America needs a revolution every 40 years." ... And the 60s are past due. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/26046-so-when-will-the-presidency-be-tarnished-beyond-repair/#findComment-178338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbot1000 Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 I think it already IS tarnished beyond repair, but thats just me heheh Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/26046-so-when-will-the-presidency-be-tarnished-beyond-repair/#findComment-180146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 Call me crazy, but I think the US is too big, weve got the deep south, arguing with the pacific northwest over laws, I mean, YOU HAVE TO HAVE STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, not everybody feels the same way on this ENTIRE continent, infact I think we should be split up, I honestly dont think of myself as American, not at all, I think of myself as from Washington State, when 9/11 happened, it was as if I was hearing the broadcast happening in canada, sad, but not my country, so lilfe goes on...When one part of the country cant identify with the other part, its time for a lovely split. I mean, look how polarized this country is... my part of the country tried that about 150 years ago. the FEDERALIST decided that the small few who ran the country knew better than the massive amount of people that are supposed to run the country and were more important and the south got raped (though we killed more union soldiers than we lost, we just didnt have as many in reserves) i completely agree with you about the split i just dont ever see it happening. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/26046-so-when-will-the-presidency-be-tarnished-beyond-repair/#findComment-182462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swad Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 The thing is that every president has something like the list above, so by these standards it's been tarnished since it started. Ford: Nixon Pardon FDR: Japanese Internment Lincoln: Abuse of powers within Congress ...etc... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/26046-so-when-will-the-presidency-be-tarnished-beyond-repair/#findComment-182474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbot1000 Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 The thing is that every president has something like the list above, so by these standards it's been tarnished since it started. Ford: Nixon Pardon FDR: Japanese Internment Lincoln: Abuse of powers within Congress ...etc... You got a good point! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/26046-so-when-will-the-presidency-be-tarnished-beyond-repair/#findComment-182487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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