Is it just me or is this guy an Asshat?

[drcreek]

I point your attention to this man's review of leopard.

 

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/macos...ard_preview.asp

 

Now tell me, Am i just being a silly apple fan boy or is this guy a really annoying Microsoft fan boy?

 

Every-time he reviews a feature he says "ahhh but.. *insert something about Microsoft being better* which is FAIR ENOUGH"

 

Fair enough. So apple is better but he doesn't want to admit it? Jesus! Just admit it fool! he's annoying!

 

Especially the Spotlight bashing? Spotlight is a rip off of Windows Search. Is it buggery! Spotlight kicks it's ass in every way. I remember the days before i started fooling around with OSX86 and when i wanted to search for something i had to wait 15 mins while it searches all my hard drives! while a small Labrador mocks me!

 

Spotlight. Type and Boom it's there.

[thrunner]

I am not sure what an asshat is but the article started out quite even handed:

he (Jobs) announced ten new features for Leopard, the next version of OS X, most of which will seem more than vaguely familiar to Windows users. I'm not dim: Microsoft does copy Apple on a fairly regular basis. But seriously, Steve. Apple's just as bad.

If you are interested in an ancient post about Spotlight problems (indexing forever and no safe way of interrupting the process) please see this: http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?sho...tlight+problem#

[drcreek]

Asshat : someone with there head so far up there own arse they are wearing their ass as a hat.

 

And yes valid point.

 

But he still down treads leopard's features with "fair enough".

[A Nonny Moose]

I tend to view destructive criticism like that as asshat.

 

Which is why I like this forum. The tendency here is for constructive criticism and silly humor, as opposed to "You're an idiot" kind of responses.

[INFNITE]

Paul Thurrott is a joke. He's the biggest M$ fanboy around the net, and one has to wonder whether he's on M$'s payroll (although he has recently begun to criticize M$ for the way they've been handling Vista. now, it seems as if he's showing his true fanboy self)

[willrocks]

Infinite is right, this guy is a real big Microsoft fanboy. Near the beginning of his article he was talking about how the WWDC was nearly a complete bashing of Microsoft and Vista. Well, considering how much Apple has improved since 1997, when Microsoft bailed them out of bankruptcy, I think they deserved to take a few pokes at the guys at Redmond. When Apple knows that their OS is better than their competitors', they're going to show why it's better to go with them by showing the ways that Microsoft "copied" alot of their material.

[embries]

As a person who has frequented the win supersite many times, I can say that I diagree with the negative vibe people give Thurrott.

 

I mean, given the fact that his site is named Paul Thurrott's SuperSite for Windows, we have an indication that he has a bias. However, over the years he's bashed Microsoft for their stupid plays as well. He doesn't back down from calling out Microsoft when they screw something up and he will consistantly stay on the subject until something is done about it.

 

I ran through the story again before posting this comment. He gives Apple credit on many points. I agree that his diatribe was unwarranted, but it was indeed provoked by the over-hyping of many things at WWDC as "major updates" when in the Windows world they would be considered very minor indeed. And I think this is the heart of the issue. Thurrott misses the boat when he tries to understand the Mac community. It's a small community and every development is big for this user group. With the smaller set of large software companies available on the OSX platform, there will inherently be more hype and fanfare around any development. Just write it off to his misunderstanding, then cut the man some slack for his Windows bias (because surely we have enough of the other bias around here).

[Bartboy919]

I would say paul is leans toward the windows software but i would call him a fan boy. if you call him a fan boy read this story on his site http://winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_5308_05.asp

[sigxcpu]

I think the guy is perfectly right.

 

What I really wanted to see in Leopard are:

- better threading support. have you ever wandered why ./configure takes a hell lot more in Mac OS (my 2X1.8GHz MBP) vs. a damn single core P3@1GHz running Linux?

- possibility to adjust the UI fonts. They've made the application icons (aiport, clock etc.) fonts' smaller, but, again, hardcoded. These fonts are simply too big.

- overall better OS performance (I again think that has something to do with threading). Firefox was like a rocket on iBook G4 on Linux compared to OS X Tiger (10.4.6 at the time when I has tested that)

- a better Finder (this was a rumour, but didn't see it yet in Preview version)

 

Regarding the article, he's right about:

- Windows Mail. It is Outlook Express all the way which is the best client I've ever used (with one notable exception: IMAP accounts filters/rules)

- Stationery, todo, notes which are in Outlook long time before OS X

[jrsdead]

Windows Mail. It is Outlook Express all the way which is the best client I've ever used

What have you been smoking? Outlook Express is responsible for spreading more malware than any other piece of windows software with the exception of Internet Explorer.

 

jrsdead

[fireshark]

Asshat.

[sigxcpu]

when I say "best" I mean fast (loading, processing, UI). and it was good looking, also.

 

security was never a concern for me, I've only once got a so-called virus by running an app crack which replaced ntloader and some other files, so it was my fault.

[Mr. Bond]

Try to keep things within the realm of constructive criticism, and not de-generate things into a string of MS fanboy bashing, mmkay?

[CSMatt]

I agree with his statements. All Apple has been doing lately is bashing Microsoft for taking so long with Vista and for "stealing" their features. What's important to me (and I think most computer users as well) is not who first put the feature in, but that the feature exists in the first place.

 

Also, let's not forget

in 1997. Apparently, it seems that this "truce" has completely evaporated on the part of Apple, although Microsoft is certainly not going out of their way to bash the Macintosh. Also keep in mind that Microsoft owns $150 million on Apple stock, so they are basically responsible for helping to pull Apple out of the gutter. Instead of showing a little friendly competition towards each other, Apple has once again returned to its childlike bashing of Microsoft and the PC.

 

If this is all that Apple's marketing department can come up with, they might as well go into politics.

[bluedragon1971]

Also keep in mind that Microsoft owns $150 million on Apple stock, so they are basically responsible for helping to pull Apple out of the gutter.

 

I suggest you review your history a little. Microsoft sold off that stock a LONG time ago (at a profit, I might add). And even when they did invest that money in Apple, it was not some altruistic gesture, they did it as part of a settlement with Apple over technology that Microsoft stole. Part of that agreement was also the agreement to continue developing Internet Explorer and Microsoft Office for a number of years (which has since expired).

 

People like you annoy the hell out of me because you make statements that have very little basis in fact, and you treat them as if they were gospel truth. You also lead other people to believe them, which starts the cycle all over again.

[bwhsh8r]

I point your attention to this man's review of leopard.

 

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/macos...ard_preview.asp

 

Now tell me, Am i just being a silly apple fan boy or is this guy a really annoying Microsoft fan boy?

 

Every-time he reviews a feature he says "ahhh but.. *insert something about Microsoft being better* which is FAIR ENOUGH"

 

Fair enough. So apple is better but he doesn't want to admit it? Jesus! Just admit it fool! he's annoying!

 

Especially the Spotlight bashing? Spotlight is a rip off of Windows Search. Is it buggery! Spotlight kicks it's ass in every way. I remember the days before i started fooling around with OSX86 and when i wanted to search for something i had to wait 15 mins while it searches all my hard drives! while a small Labrador mocks me!

 

Spotlight. Type and Boom it's there.

 

 

hes being an annoying microsoft fan boy (and he gets payed to be as thats the guy who writes microsoft reviews) and your being an annoying apple fan boy, there is no better os in general, because personal preferance is what determines that, i could say DOS 3.1 is the best os, and that could be valad for me, or me (the bigest {censored} pile until vista) and im a microsoft user, not annoying zealot, just like most osx users arnt like "my os is better . end of story, no matter what you say about ... os" yes hes annoying, but so are you, but he is more, and also, who uses search, i kno where all my {censored} is, the photo, the video, the music, the programs dir, or my desktop... but i do have to agree that microsofts search sucks, but ive never tried spotlight ether....

 

 

max

[br0adband]

"Can't we all just get along?"

 

Immortal words, I tell ya.

 

I've been what you'd consider a "Windows fanboy" (note I said Windows, not Microsoft) since it first appeared. The reason? I already had a PC - as crappy as it was - and I just needed the OS, not a $3000+ whole new computer just to get access to Apple technology.

 

Suffice to say, Thurrott has a lot of valid points. My biggest gripe about Apple, Steve Jobs particulary since he's the Captain of the ship, would be:

 

Steve, lay off the Windows bashing, bub. Microsoft doesn't bash Apple or OSX in any measurable amount like you just did in the keynote - and your lackeys followed suit right behind you, even in casual clothes just like you.

 

I've never bashed Apple apart from saying their hardware is just too damned expensive. They don't want everyone using their computers - seriously. They could never handle that much of a customer base. They've always catered to the "other" crowd, the "Think Different" crowd, the "computer for the rest of us" crowd. So more power to them, but lower the freakin' price will ya.

 

The best line was him telling Steve that yes Microsoft copies Apple and vice versa. Get over it, go spend a few million on a night in Vegas and laugh about it, geez.

 

I see a great product, fantastic engineering, beautiful design, functionality, etc... then I see Steve laying it on so thick it would take a jackhammer to dig out the basic facts: OSX has its place, and so does Windows. Period.

 

bb

 

And just for the record:

 

Everytime I've used Spotlight, it's never found the info I was looking for, even simple stuff that Google finds in a split second. I don't use Spotlight; that's what Google is for, at least for me... and a few bazillion other people too.

[CSMatt]

I suggest you review your history a little. Microsoft sold off that stock a LONG time ago (at a profit, I might add). And even when they did invest that money in Apple, it was not some altruistic gesture, they did it as part of a settlement with Apple over technology that Microsoft stole. Part of that agreement was also the agreement to continue developing Internet Explorer and Microsoft Office for a number of years (which has since expired).

 

People like you annoy the hell out of me because you make statements that have very little basis in fact, and you treat them as if they were gospel truth. You also lead other people to believe them, which starts the cycle all over again.

My apologies. I was not aware of that. All I'm saying is that I'm tired of people always arguing about which is the better operating system. Both Windows XP and Mac OS X have performed well for me. The only exception is that Windows XP as an operating system tends to be less stable, as opposed to Mac OS X's lack to direct ties to most programs. In the end, however, it is always the fault of a third-party or non-OS first-party program that causes problems in speed and/or stability for either OS. For example, my VAIO takes at least 5 minutes to boot into Windows XP because of all the third-party custom driver software and all of the bundled software that I neither needed nor asked for. After disabling all of the startup items, the system boots in 3 minutes. In complete contrast, my custom PC boots Windows XP in less than 90 seconds. Why is this? Simply put; less {censored} to load. These software drivers and extra background apps are also what cause stability issues. In Mac OS X, all hardware drivers are initially part of the OS, so no third-party drivers need to be loaded at startup. Therefore, it upon factory-installed conditions performs much cleaner than Windows in factory-condition, although the PowerPC version does seem to be slower than the Intel version due to hardware limitations. Of course, you could add all sorts of extra startup items and background apps to Mac OS X if you want, and then Mac OS X would be just as unstable and slow as Windows XP can be. The same would apply to any multitasking OS.

 

I am critical of Apple's marketing strategies only because they either backfire or because they are just childish and pitiful. It's not like Apple's bashing strategy is unique either, but that's still not an excuse for a company with such potential to limit itself to petty mudslinging. For an example of a marketing backfire, in the "Get a Mac" ad that talks about Boot Camp, Mac says that he is basically a PC. However, this is inconsistent with all of the other ads in the series, which indirectly address PC's flaws and Mac's apparent lack thereof. Of course, we know that most of the time Mac is actually representing the Mac OS X operating system and not the Mac hardware itself and that PC is often representing Windows, but the average novice computer user isn't going to be able to pick up on this. To him or her, seeing the Boot Camp ad after seeing the other ads in the series is like saying that Macs and PCs are exactly the same after all and therefore Mac must suffer from all of the problems that PC suffers from. Because performance is basically no longer a question now that the customer has made this analogy, the only other consideration is price. The customer finds out that Macs are more expensive, and buys a PC instead. This one ad completely reverses Apple's desired effect: the purchase of a Mac and the lack of the purchase of a PC.

 

One other thing. Everything I've said in this post (most of my posts in fact) is of my own observations and of the knowledge that I've picked up over the years. I am not trying to claim this as irrefutable fact.

[mifki]

ZOMG, after the first lien i had already made up my mind (Asshat). As i read on thsis guy just showed what a knob he was. for insatnce the 64 it feature, that aint copying of microsoft, its called common sense, liek duh if u have a 64 bit CPU why not use the full 64 bits XD. The spotlight thing, liek major knob.

[bsmit007]

I personally think Paul tries to be as unbiased as possible but we all have our biases. Jobs, you don't win marketshare by bashing your competitors you win the market by actually offering a strong product at a competitive price (along with many other facts). Oh wait...Apple still hasn't learnt this, so thats why MS still has the dominant position even though it is highly vulnerable.

 

The closest analogy I can come up with is that of Democrats and Republicans. Republicans (Microsoft) have made tons of mistakes in the past. Ironically both MS and Republicans have made mistakes when it comes to security. But the Democrats (apple) have proven to be even more retarded and hence the Republicans (MS) are still in power.

[Kenta]

Too bad both OSes are just big steaming copies of each OTHER.

 

Look at it this way. People are saying Apple stole the 64-bits thing from Microsoft and other companies/OSes, and the Apple fan boys say it is just logical to use current technology.

 

Well look at it this way. Filp that around and lets say something like, system wide, indexed search. Apple implented it first, if not made it, and Microsoft uses the idea. Apple fan boys say Microsoft is stealing, but the Microsoft fan boys can turn around and use the same exact defense that the Apple fan boy used to protect that Apple was late with 64-Bit (And don't give me {censored} about G5 Macs, Tiger isn't even fully 64-bit, unlike Vista x64.)

 

But people are idoits, and it really heats things up when they want to defend their dogs pile of {censored} over the neighbor's dog's pile of {censored}. And it won't stop.

 

Like another user said before me. Who cares who invented it. I care if I get it. Welcome to marketing people. The bigger company almost always wins, and Apple is going to have to travel a long road to topple a Monopoly.

 

BTW, I am also a meber at a Vista development forum, and every one there thinks Paul is an idoit too. xD

[retroz]

the system boots in 3 minutes. In complete contrast, my custom PC boots Windows XP in less than 90 seconds. W

I am critical of Apple's marketing strategies only because they either backfire or because they are just childish and pitiful. It's not like Apple's bashing strategy is unique either, v

 

 

Yeeah, Apple marketing is a rip off, for example, you can not run FC Pro newest on Ma G4 unless you change a few settings, of course they do not want you to know that.

 

Plus, a $150 for a black paint job on a mac book with NO DEDICATED GPU and those that do BOTH MB and MBP booth run hot, way to hot.

 

Second, I don't know about you but my AMD PC boots in about 30 seconds, lots of audio software, MACNtosh boots in 15 seconds. Again with lots of software.

 

I would go crazy if I had those boot up times. The slowest is the Toshiba A4 due to the 4200 HD, but then again it runs UNREAL 2004 GREAT, on a MAC you would have to spend at least $2000 or more to run the game with a underclocked ati card.....er no thanks!

[brewno]

Im not a Windows Fanboy. I'm actually a Mac Fanboy... but I agree with most things he said in the article.

[embries]

Well here you go "guys who think he's an asshat". Here's his take on the "Dark side of Vista RC1".

 

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_rc1_worst.asp

 

I think you'll now agree he's not biased in giving someone a hard time if he doesn't like something.

[Kenta]

Well here you go "guys who think he's an asshat". Here's his take on the "Dark side of Vista RC1".

 

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_rc1_worst.asp

 

I think you'll now agree he's not biased in giving someone a hard time if he doesn't like something.

 

You can't be unbaised.

 

He also has to get facts like how Apple stole from Konfabulator, which is wrong.

Apple had widgets in 1984, on the Lisa. They were called Deskapps.

 

And how is this comparing to the other article?

 

He is pointing out flaws in Vista, but in the Copycat article he is basicly trying to beat Mac fanboys at their own game of "Who did what?".