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TheSin
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oh...i didnt realize...thats great...

so i'll be able to DVD install to IDE, patch the IDE with the SATA patches, and copy the whole IDE over to an SATA, boot from the SATA, and get rid of the IDE?

 

whats the best way to copy from IDE to SATA?

would ditto or CCCloner work under x86?

i'd still prefer to get the 6 patch files from you if you can swing it...

 

I have no idea that is why I made a Install DVD that can install direct to my SATAs :(

WilboZ
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I did do the install on PATA, DVD and HD...but, I switched over to SATA sometime after I did the 945G kexts.

 

Here are my XBench figures. I would be very interested in hearing from all what my slowdown may be caused by. :(

 

THX.

 

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Results 51.98

System Info

Xbench Version 1.2

System Version 10.4.1 (8B1025)

Physical RAM 1024 MB

Model ADP2,1

Drive Type Maxtor 6L300R0

CPU Test 19.77

GCD Loop 101.39 5.34 Mops/sec

Floating Point Basic 79.87 1.90 Gflop/sec

vecLib FFT 5.98 197.39 Mflop/sec

Floating Point Library 78.23 13.62 Mops/sec

Thread Test 103.31

Computation 89.91 1.82 Mops/sec, 4 threads

Lock Contention 121.40 5.22 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads

Memory Test 110.00

System 92.03

Allocate 104.57 384.00 Kalloc/sec

Fill 88.01 4279.25 MB/sec

Copy 85.67 1769.43 MB/sec

Stream 136.68

Copy 130.17 2688.60 MB/sec

Scale 130.53 2696.76 MB/sec

Add 143.38 3054.38 MB/sec

Triad 143.92 3078.91 MB/sec

Quartz Graphics Test 54.58

Line 59.73 3.98 Klines/sec [50% alpha]

Rectangle 45.42 13.56 Krects/sec [50% alpha]

Circle 48.10 3.92 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]

Bezier 85.50 2.16 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]

Text 49.10 3.07 Kchars/sec

OpenGL Graphics Test 204.59

Spinning Squares 204.59 259.53 frames/sec

User Interface Test 31.46

Elements 31.46 144.37 refresh/sec

Disk Test 96.98

Sequential 101.26

Uncached Write 115.17 70.71 MB/sec [4K blocks]

Uncached Write 112.91 63.88 MB/sec [256K blocks]

Uncached Read 72.10 21.10 MB/sec [4K blocks]

Uncached Read 123.60 62.12 MB/sec [256K blocks]

Random 93.05

Uncached Write 72.38 7.66 MB/sec [4K blocks]

Uncached Write 93.45 29.92 MB/sec [256K blocks]

Uncached Read 95.25 0.67 MB/sec [4K blocks]

Uncached Read 125.42 23.27 MB/sec [256K blocks]

would_pay_for_mac_on_x86
would_pay_for_mac_on_x86
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wilboZ...i left him a msg on the other thread for him to post his xbench results too, so check that frequently to compare where the slowdowns might be.

 

theSin....

with what you're trying to do...roll these 6 new files into the release1 dvd...or creating a linux/xp patch system... do you think you are doing it in a generic way, that if a 10.4.3 release dvd is ever available, we could easily reapply the patches?

 

my brain is cloudy...im sure its in this thread but what exact patches are you applying? is it just sata and sound support that needed fixing?

 

i strikes me now...i am trying to understand what you did. is the absolute minimum thing that would be neccessary to put on the dvd would be the sata drivers, in 2 places:

 

1) add the sata drivers to the mini darwin kernel on the dvd itself so that the boot DVD sees the sata drives

2) install the sata drivers to the new install on the hd using a pkg..

 

is this right?

TheSin
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wilboZ...i left him a msg on the other thread for him to post his xbench results too, so check that frequently to compare where the slowdowns might be.

 

theSin....

with what you're trying to do...roll these 6 new files into the release1 dvd...or creating a linux/xp patch system... do you think you are doing it in a generic way, that if a 10.4.3 release dvd is ever available, we could easily reapply the patches?

 

my brain is cloudy...im sure its in this thread but what exact patches are you applying? is it just sata and sound support that needed fixing?

 

i strikes me now...i am trying to understand what you did. is the absolute minimum thing that would be neccessary to put on the dvd would be the sata drivers, in 2 places:

 

1) add the sata drivers to the mini darwin kernel on the dvd itself so that the boot DVD sees the sata drives

2) install the sata drivers to the new install on the hd using a pkg..

 

is this right?

 

The linux way yes, I'm just gonna mount the iso and copy the files in and chmod/chown them.

 

The windows way no it'll be like the Generic Release1 patch withthe ppf file thingy :(

 

I don't have my sound working yet I have the sigmatel 922x, but it does include the AC97 and Cyrana's sound fix. But the most important is that it's all enabled during install so you can install direct to an SATA.

 

you got it.

would_pay_for_mac_on_x86
would_pay_for_mac_on_x86
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OK. its very cool that the mount loop option is r/w. thats what ill do to.

dont want to even think about poofy pifs or whatever they are :-)

 

are you writing a simple shell script for the linux side? that would be ideal...

 

does it make sense to categorize these as follows? correct where wrong...i'm just taking a stab at it...

 

newly created (not on any official or release1 DVD)

1) /System/Installation/Packages/Packages/945gExtensions.pkg

2) /System/Installation/Packages/Packages/10.4.2ExecPatch.pkg

3) /System/Installation/Packages/Packages/MenuCracker.pkg

 

modified files (cyrana updates)

4) /System/Library/Extensions.mkext

5) /System/Installation/Packages/OSInstall.mpkg

6) /System/Installation/Packages/Packages/AdditionalExtensions.pkg

 

so maybe #1-3 are drop in replacement on a 10.4.3 dvd...

but maybe #4-6 would need to be repackaged for 10.4.3, because it seems likely that there might be new extensions or a new OSInstall package on 10.4.3...

 

...if i'm understanding this at all...make sense?

TheSin
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OK. its very cool that the mount loop option is r/w. thats what ill do to.

dont want to even think about poofy pifs or whatever they are :-)

 

are you writing a simple shell script for the linux side? that would be ideal...

 

does it make sense to categorize these as follows? correct where wrong...i'm just taking a stab at it...

 

newly created (not on any official or release1 DVD)

1) /System/Installation/Packages/Packages/945gExtensions.pkg

2) /System/Installation/Packages/Packages/10.4.2ExecPatch.pkg

3) /System/Installation/Packages/Packages/MenuCracker.pkg

 

modified files (cyrana updates)

4) /System/Library/Extensions.mkext

5) /System/Installation/Packages/OSInstall.mpkg

6) /System/Installation/Packages/Packages/AdditionalExtensions.pkg

 

so maybe #1-3 are drop in replacement on a 10.4.3 dvd...

but maybe #4-6 would need to be repackaged for 10.4.3, because it seems likely that there might be new extensions or a new OSInstall package on 10.4.3...

 

...if i'm understanding this at all...make sense?

 

the 945gExtensions, is Cyrana's, just repkged and made into a pkg file.

 

MenuCracker and 10.4.2Exec are also just turned into pkg files.

 

these are mine and only mine

4) /System/Library/Extensions.mkext

5) /System/Installation/Packages/OSInstall.mpkg

 

Thought the OSInstall.mpkg was jsut modified from teh Release1 patch as was the AdditionalExtensions.pkg.

 

as for 10.4.3 the Extensions.mkext would be good to rebuild, not hard that I know how now. And the OSInstall.mpkg I'll hav eto rebuild, but again not hard now that I understand it. I'm currently trying to add the best ATI support to the disc I can. I'd like to make it a true Generic install DVD, and jsut have things on the disc that install directly bases on the users choices and have things that conflict, conflict so that can't be installed together. Like the SSE3 and SSE2 patch. You can only choose one or the other not both.

would_pay_for_mac_on_x86
would_pay_for_mac_on_x86
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gotcha...that sounds very very cool.

 

 

whats menucracker doing here? i thought that as a thing for hacks like menumeters to work?

 

also isnt the extensions.mkext file the one that you can delete and osx rebuilds it along with the caches file each startup?

 

i hope youll include that PIO->UDMA patch in the actual dvd kernel..

i forgot which one that is, maybe PIIX or something....but i'd hate to be installing 3GB @ 2MB/s vs. 55MB/s

TheSin
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gotcha...that sounds very very cool.

whats menucracker doing here? i thought that as a thing for hacks like menumeters to work?

 

also isnt the extensions.mkext file the one that you can delete and osx rebuilds it along with the caches file each startup?

 

i hope youll include that PIO->UDMA patch in the actual dvd kernel..

i forgot which one that is, maybe PIIX or something....but i'd hate to be installing 3GB @ 2MB/s vs. 55MB/s

 

YEs MenuMeters is to Hack the top bar, but I found it was a pain everytime i installed. So I built Menumeters 1.3 for Intel and made it auto install so you don't have to do anything it just works.

 

extensions.mext is something you can delete on your HDD, on the Install DVD it's the kext cache so it determins what drivers will get used, on the Install disc ther eis no Extensions folder and if you make it the DVD will fail.

 

yes it is installed, it's part of the 945gExtensions.pkg from Cyrana, download the pkg file I posted here and run lsbom on that Archive.bom inside of it.

would_pay_for_mac_on_x86
would_pay_for_mac_on_x86
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YEs MenuMeters is to Hack the top bar, but I found it was a pain everytime i installed. So I built Menumeters 1.3 for Intel and made it auto install so you don't have to do anything it just works.

 

extensions.mext is something you can delete on your HDD, on the Install DVD it's the kext cache so it determins what drivers will get used, on the Install disc ther eis no Extensions folder and if you make it the DVD will fail.

 

yes it is installed, it's part of the 945gExtensions.pkg from Cyrana, download the pkg file I posted here and run lsbom on that Archive.bom inside of it.

 

cool..well right now i am on a stink P3-400 so no lsbom yet...

 

thats AWESOME you are including menumeters....my favorite app...

if you would just tell me that SAFT for safari works well i would be sooo happy ! :-)

 

was MM as well as the cracker tricky to compile and install?

 

will i be able to install the compilers from the release1 disc by checking Install Dev Tools or something?

these are the right compilers and can i still use these compilers after installing the 10.4.2 patch?

TheSin
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cool..well right now i am on a stink P3-400 so no lsbom yet...

 

thats AWESOME you are including menumeters....my favorite app...

if you would just tell me that SAFT for safari works well i would be sooo happy ! :-)

 

was MM as well as the cracker tricky to compile and install?

 

will i be able to install the compilers from the release1 disc by checking Install Dev Tools or something?

these are the right compilers and can i still use these compilers after installing the 10.4.2 patch?

 

I'm not including MM, just MenuCracker which on x86 you need to install in CoreServers for it to work. MM was as easy as compiling the source and copying in my copy of MenuCracker, same with Spy.

 

I'm not sure what SAFT is but I'll give it a shot.

 

Yes there are including in the custome install, where you have to so to select SSE2 or 3 anyhow.

 

Yes they can, as it's not 10.4.2 upgrade just an Exec patch which allows you to run things that where compiled on 10.4.2 machines. Everything on the system is still 10.4.1 including the kernel, it was just patched to bypass the trickery that Appl eput into 10.4.2.

would_pay_for_mac_on_x86
would_pay_for_mac_on_x86
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cool...got it...

 

SAFT is an input manager ext for safari...amazing..

2 things:

 

1- recovers from safari crashes. i keep 20+ tabs open in safari. when it crashes (on PPC usually 2 x daily) it re-opens all windows including text inside textboxes you were working on

 

2- amazing searching, you can define it as you like... so in URL bar "e g5 dual" can search ebay for g5's and "ec g5" can search for completed items reverse sorted by date... "w blah" wikipedia "m blah" allmusicguide...you name it... real time saver

 

be warned on SAFT, it is totally tied to the version# of Safari. each time even a minor rev of safari comes out, there is an immediate update to SAFT... its not open source so I don't know what you plan to do other than try to see if it runs under rosetta...

 

how do i insall MM in "coreservers"? or do u do that on your install dvd.

 

whats Spy?

 

looks like all pieces will be here by tuesday...so if you could get me the files i'll need to patch the dvd by monday that will give me a chance to try and build the dvd...

WilboZ
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hmm i think just download and double click theSin's 0.2 package posted earlier...

that should hopefully enable your SATA drivers...

I'm not sure I understand.. Obviously, I don't understand... :(

 

I can boot on SATA if if use the -f boot flag. Are you saying that I can install the 945 pkg and it will make the changes "permanant" ?

 

Please excuse my ignorance...

 

THX.

would_pay_for_mac_on_x86
would_pay_for_mac_on_x86
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hmm sorry i think i gave you bad advice.

 

i dont know what -f is....its probably flush...

so i would try to delete the 2 files Extension.mkext and Extensions.kextcache to clear caches.

 

probably better taking advice from someone who actually has an osx86 box tho :-)

WilboZ
WilboZ
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HA! That did it! :(

 

Don't apologize! Even though I have it running (however badly), you ( would_pay_for_mac_on_x86) evidently know more about MacOS than I do... :(

 

Nevertheless...I did some looking around on my "overclocking" settings too. It appears that my BIOS settings were not entirely accurate :o I remembered seeing somewhere that if the machine failed to POST, then you could hold down the INS key. Well, that let it POST..and the boot screen said 4.xx (whatever it was) MHz, but when I ran any kind of benchmark, THAT told me that I was only running 3.4. :o

 

Sorry to mislead, but it wasn't intentional...

 

tim.

TheSin
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Yeah...I just realized this afternoon that I have to use -f as a boot flag or I get the "Still waiting on..." boot/root device..I can't remember which.

 

What can I do to make the SATA boot work without -f at startup?

 

THX.

 

you just need to reset your Extensions cache. my pkg file should do that for you, but basically you need to sudo rm /System/Library/Extensions.mkext and the cache and then reboot and it will auto rebuild the cache.

 

Guess I was a little late B) I should read the full thread before I answer :(

WilboZ
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you just need to reset your Extensions cache. my pkg file should do that for you, but basically you need to sudo rm /System/Library/Extensions.mkext and the cache and then reboot and it will auto rebuild the cache.

 

Guess I was a little late B) I should read the full thread before I answer :(

That worked one time...then if I reboot again, same old deal. I have to rm the Extensions.mkext file every time I boot up or it hangs the next time ( unless I use -f )

 

Seems like I think I'm starting to understand this stuff a little bit and then brain dump... :D

 

I really appreciate all of y'all's input!

TheSin
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That worked one time...then if I reboot again, same old deal. I have to rm the Extensions.mkext file every time I boot up or it hangs the next time ( unless I use -f )

 

Seems like I think I'm starting to understand this stuff a little bit and then brain dump... B)

 

I really appreciate all of y'all's input!

 

edit the /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/com.apple.Boot.plist

 

and add -f for the params like

 

<key>Kernel Flags</key>

<string>-f</string>

 

then you won' thave to anymore, that is how I run my system.

would_pay_for_mac_on_x86
would_pay_for_mac_on_x86
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edit the /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/com.apple.Boot.plist

 

and add -f for the params like

 

<key>Kernel Flags</key>

<string>-f</string>

 

then you won' thave to anymore, that is how I run my system.

 

 

wilboz--

there u go...listen to theSin....knows way more than me :-)

 

as for your overclock... go into your bios (not trust the boot screen) or download and run Sandra (sisoft?) to find your real current speed. it probably got reset when you ran in safe mode (the DEL/INS key)

 

what mobo did u have again? typically u can raise the Front Side Bus frequency in increments until it wont post...

would_pay_for_mac_on_x86
would_pay_for_mac_on_x86
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cool.. i should be getting your mobo on tues...

 

i recommend the SI-120 Thermalright heatsink + 478 adapter....mine comes in soon.

i think with that i'll get my 3.0ghz up to 3.8-4.2ghz...

 

http://store.yahoo.com/svcompucycle/info.html

WilboZ
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I got the Thermaltake Big Typhoon heatsink/fan. That thing is HUGE, but it does a good job cooling the CPU.

 

There is a option for 'allow unlock of multiplier' or something like that. I have it enabled, but haven't figured out (yet) how to actually change the multiplier from the stock 17x. If any of you have any ideas, I'd be real appreciative.

 

Thanks again.

would_pay_for_mac_on_x86
would_pay_for_mac_on_x86
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you can't

those options don't work with intel, the multipler is truly locked.

except with a newer asus board which has a special trick to go 1 multiplier lower but thats another story.

 

so what you have to do, is raise the FSB like you are doing...

 

i would have truly thought that you could do better

what are your ambient room temps, case tems, and cpu temps idle and under load.

do you also have them for the stock HSF?

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