BBrown Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 ...thats just another example of people hating vista when it is their own ignorance that ails them Amen to that brother. I still don't understand why this Vista vs OSX vs Linux mentality. Each has its place and different strengths and weaknesses. Using all of them gives you the best of all worlds. I use Windows Vista/XP when I have to use complainterator(as there is no Linux or OSX) when I need to file some spammer domain complaints with registars. I also use Windows XP/Vista to use my free Income Tax completion program. For Internet surfing and browsing and E-mail in general I use either Linux and/or OSX given that OSX and linux are not as vulnerable to spyware, worms, trojans, and botnet RATS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeriJane Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 But surely one can dislike or even hate Vista without being Ignorant of its strengths and weaknesses? Likewise can't one develop a liking for Linux, OSX or anything else for our own reasons? Why should anyone be labeled as Ignorant merely because they don't like something that you do? Personally, I WANTED to like Vista. I like the looks of it a lot. I even use one of the wallpaper pics on my OSX desktop. But when it came down to actually living with Vista, I grew to dislike it. A lot. Call that Hate if you want. So I went back to XP with all of its weaknesses. Then I found out about Mac OS and bought a Mac. I retain 1 licensed copy of XP and have it all set and ready to go with Boot Camp. I haven't touched it in months. I expect it need several dozen updates by now. Devil's Advocate Keri, ireK Funny YouTube Vista Video! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishy80 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 to that video... I have windows messenger disabled... was easy... you don't need to spend hundred on upgrades... it will run just slower on lower end stuff... and hell, mac people shouldn't say {censored} about that since you aren't supposed to be able to install mac on anything... except a mac... which if you look piece for piece costs about 5x as much as any pc hardware... oh and I have yet to see a blue screen on my vista, I did with BETA, but not since final.. and all the permission stuff I have had disabled since the start as well... and sure, it doesn't come with a good antivirus... but tell me... does mac? mac is just more secure in general, I'll give it that, but that's only because its built on linux.. not because mac did anything special... and even though mac may be more secure, if you know what your doing on a computer, you don't need to worry about virus's... I have never been behind a router, never used a firewall.. and when I did get virii it was back when I was downloading apps and porn through kazaa... you know back when I was 12... that video... and anyone who agree's with it is just people who don't know wtf they are doing on a computer at least a PC anyway... Definitions of ignorance on the Web: * the lack of knowledge or education aka that video oh and just in case you think I'm some vista fanboy, I'm currently trying to save the money to get one of those overpriced mac's, because I do think its a good os, and its something I want to learn more about... (hence me being on these forums) every problem I have had on vista, has been of my own creation, (or creatives... as creative labs just sucks...) and every single one I have fixed... tell me your problems with vista, if its the same ones soooo many people have, I can help... edit---- oh I meant to say, of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion about anything... and you don't HAVE to be ignorant about its strength's and weaknesses... but the truth is... most people are... and once they start voicing their opinion as an argument... they should have reasons/facts... not just... I hate this... else they will get slapped with the facts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dillon31292 Posted July 28, 2008 Author Share Posted July 28, 2008 But surely one can dislike or even hate Vista without being Ignorant of its strengths and weaknesses? Likewise can't one develop a liking for Linux, OSX or anything else for our own reasons? Why should anyone be labeled as Ignorant merely because they don't like something that you do? Saying that Office 2007 cannot save in a format compatible with Office 2003 and earlier is most definitely ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLiDE FTW!!1 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 One things for sure -- I wouldn't run Leopard on anything less than a CoreDuo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ari79s Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 One things for sure -- I wouldn't run Leopard on anything less than a CoreDuo. Yeah, thats probably pretty good advice but for cheap/poor people like me Leopard runs great on my Pentium 4, much better than Vista. Neither OS is really designed to run on something that old so I can't complain, but given the two I would definitely choose Leopard and would say the above about Vista, not Leopard. Actually Leopard runs a bit faster than my Tiger install too (also faster than Vista)! Of course thats just the "feeling" I get, I don't have any stats to back it up. But in the end that "feeling" is important and ultimately the deciding factor for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilhood Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 People hate Vista without knowing why, like it's some kind of bizarre trend. Once you actually sit down, configure and embrace it, people realise just how good it is. This isn't false-fact, have a look here Wasn't the biggest cause of BSOD's to do with nVIDIA graphics drivers? those were the early days; I have been using recent 17X.XX Forceware's without a single problem... both on my desktop and with a modded INF on my laptop. People need to learn to seperate hardware fault with driver/os related problems, there is a tendancy for people to jump to conclusions just because they know a bit of lingo, or love ranting in fanboyism ignorance to relieve frustration. Mac OS X still looks way nicer though, but then again, once you install Windows Blinds and IconPackager there really isn't any to complain about. Something else worth mentioning, UAC may be annoying, but it was the most effective method for preventing rootkits from taking over a system. P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet25 Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 "...but Vista has UAC!"Linux and OS X have an equivalent. In Linux you have to go through a bunch of {censored} to do root-related tasks. UAC can be disabled. "...but Vista uses too much RAM!"Leopard is a greedy little whore when it comes to RAM consumption too. Same goes for Linux when using things like Beryl, Compiz Fusion, and Emerald. i am looking at my task manager right now and the most memory vista is using right now is 86mb about 150mb total, i have firefox taking up 82mb and vmwarer taking up 15mb so its not like 150mb is a lot "...but Vista is incompatible with pre-XP Windows software!"And said software can be magically installed in OS X or Linux without an emulator or virtualization program of some sort? No. other then certen sofware that microsoft makes like ofice i have been able to run xp programs on vista "...but Vista won't work out of the box with my hardware and I might have to search for the drivers!"You would have to do the same with Linux. As for OS X, lol. Working out of the box on a select number of machines doesn't = compatible. 1) i bought a pc has vista works out of the box. 2)had an xp machine that i tried vista on and all i did is check the "search for updates on windows update" box and guess what it found drives for all my hardware hence works out of the box "...but Vista copied OS X' Spotlight, widgets, and chess game!"Apple introduced Spotlight two years after Gates said it would be in Vista, widgets were originally for Windows (konfabulator), and pre-95 versions of Windows had a 3D chess game similar to the one in OS X. like packrobottom said Konfabulator was originally a mac program I used it nice try. It was developed by Arlo Rose, Perry Clarke, and Ed Voas. Originally released on February 10, 2003 as a Mac OS X only application which cost US$24.95 Widgets were not originally in windows. Can you provide a link to Bill Gates saying the above? Metadata based search engines weren't either companies original idea. "...but Vista's UI is too different from XP!"And you think that you'll be familiar with OS X or Linux if you can't figure out how to get around in Vista? i like vista ui and if you ask me it is excatly xp orther then the start menu which can be switch to an xp like one. and i am familiar with osx i use it at work While I am an Apple/Linux fanboy (for OS X' GUI/software and Linux' customization), it always disturbs me when people say these things about Vista yet at the same time say that another OS (that they haven't even tried half the time) is better. Opinions? the reason i hate vista is because it crashes every day every thing you said up there is nothing about anyting YOU EPIC FAILS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbetts Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Why does everyone quote dillons post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishy80 Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 you epic fail for not posting anything about these supposed crashes, except that they happen, could be anything from drivers to viruses to bad hardware causing your crashes, not just vista itself... if you would like, PM me with a little bit of info about your crashes (or make a thread and link to it here) and we'll try and figure out those crashes, that is, if they are in fact real, and not just a reason for you to say you hate vista. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishy80 Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 probably because they only read the first post then respond to that, or thats what it seems like this guy did.... or maybe they just thought his post was really good =) lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBrown Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Somebody enlighten me, please! What the heck are all these crashes people speak about with Vista. I have yet to see one on my laptop running Vista and I have doing anything and everything to get it to show these mysterious errors. Still no dice! No BSOD, nothing, nadda! I have to agree with Fishy80, just because you experience a crash with your computer running Vista, it does not mean that it is necessarily Vista related. You could have contracted a bad virus, worm, or Trojan or it may well be hardware related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pritthish Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Ok, I managed to get through 3 pages of this and was rotflmao... To all the flamers, guess what, Vista sucks, OSX sucks, Linux sucks and pretty much every other OS ever made sucks in one way or another... get over it... If you cant deal with all the suckyness, lets see you build a stable working OS which DOESN'T suck in any way To all the level headed people here, why try convincing flamers that their favorite OS isnt perfect? Just let them be they'll find it out themselves eventually To the OP, dude, thanks for the laughs man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalr0gue Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 One things for sure -- I wouldn't run Leopard on anything less than a CoreDuo. ahem... NOT I have a P4 3.0Ghz with 512mb ram running Kalyway 10.5.3 flawlessly as a secondary system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbetts Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 ahem... NOT I have a P4 3.0Ghz with 512mb ram running Kalyway 10.5.3 flawlessly as a secondary system. Well, that's fine and great that you run it okay, but that's not you, that's just his preference. Leopard would do fine on a single core like a P4(with sse3), but it would run better on a dual core. Even more when the Core duo cores are better than Netburst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet25 Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 you epic fail for not posting anything about these supposed crashes, except that they happen, could be anything from drivers to viruses to bad hardware causing your crashes, not just vista itself... if you would like, PM me with a little bit of info about your crashes (or make a thread and link to it here) and we'll try and figure out those crashes, that is, if they are in fact real, and not just a reason for you to say you hate vista. well it happens in internet explorer alot or when copieing file from one folder to another. it just brings up the message saying "windows exploer has crashed, looking for slutions to this problem" then another message saying "no slutions found" then a third saying "restarting windows explorer" i cant do anything during the crash which is why i cant take a photo of it. i dont use internet explorer anymore i use firefox which works a hell of a lot better then ie. it reality its not a major problem because it only take about a 1min before it finsishes all that {censored} but it is just a enoyance. trust me its not a virus or worm or anything like that. i know it is vista when it crashes during the copieing. and to BBrown: its not a BSOD. and i know its now hardware, why the {censored} would hp sell a computer that comes with vista and it be hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishy80 Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 well it happens in internet explorer alot or when copieing file from one folder to another. it just brings up the message saying "windows exploer has crashed, looking for slutions to this problem" then another message saying "no slutions found" then a third saying "restarting windows explorer" i cant do anything during the crash which is why i cant take a photo of it. i dont use internet explorer anymore i use firefox which works a hell of a lot better then ie. it reality its not a major problem because it only take about a 1min before it finsishes all that {censored} but it is just a enoyance. trust me its not a virus or worm or anything like that. i know it is vista when it crashes during the copieing. and to BBrown: its not a BSOD. and i know its now hardware, why the {censored} would hp sell a computer that comes with vista and it be hardware. the fact that it happens in internet explorer a lot makes me think its a virus as that and explorer.exe are the first things virus's go after, (trojans inject into them because those processes usually have full internet access through firewalls...) really sounds like a trojan to me, and make sure to do windows updates... btw internet explorer problems don't = vista problems... explorer.exe sounds more like a vista problem, but I am really thinking you have a trojan... oh and HP is nowhere near perfect, their computers could have hardware problems, just like any other computer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet25 Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 the fact that it happens in internet explorer a lot makes me think its a virus as that and explorer.exe are the first things virus's go after, (trojans inject into them because those processes usually have full internet access through firewalls...) really sounds like a trojan to me, and make sure to do windows updates... btw internet explorer problems don't = vista problems... explorer.exe sounds more like a vista problem, but I am really thinking you have a trojan... oh and HP is nowhere near perfect, their computers could have hardware problems, just like any other computer... DUDE ITS NOT ANY HARDWARE PROBLEM OR ANY {censored} VISRUS I KNOW OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbetts Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Vista doesn't just act up on it's own, it's caused by something. That's with any OS. What's causing it, could be anything. Hardware, software, or virus. No need to get angry at people when they try to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolied Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 This is so true! That is why the rest of you should consider multibooting OSX, Vista, and Linux instead of beating a dead horse. By doing that you get the best of all worlds and enjoy the strengths of all the systems in one computer. P.S. I am not having or seeing those issues that people are complaining about with Vista. To be honest, I have had more issues with Linux and OSX but that is besides the point. QUOTED FOR TRUTH!!!!! That's what I do (multiboot OSX and Vista anyways) and that's why you don't see me in here creating these threads. OSX pisses me off because I can't play alot of my games on it natively; Vista pisses me off because I have to be much more careful websurfing on it. For any other use, it's six-one, half-dozen the other as i'll use whatever OS i'm currently booted into. And in my opinion, both Leopard and Vista seem equally fast and responsive on the same system in day-to-day use. Yes people, Vista can seem dog-slow when you first start using it. Give it a week or two, the indexing function will have time to do it's thing, and the superfetch will learn how to do it's job; and you will be a much happier Vista user (SP1 did make Vista alot better, too) - For the record, I don't HATE any operating system, I haven't come across an OS that I really mind using on current hardware. If i'm not using Vista or OSX, i'm using my portable Fedora 9 install on my 8GB thumbdrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dillon31292 Posted July 31, 2008 Author Share Posted July 31, 2008 DUDE ITS NOT ANY HARDWARE PROBLEM OR ANY {censored} VISRUS I KNOW OK Wow, you're such a mature individual. What are you? Thirteen? As for you saying my post was an epic fail, you apparently skipped reading comprehension during school and don't know what a "quote" is. I wasn't saying or agreeing with those things, I was using them as examples of what other people state and adding my opinion on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razerbug Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Dillon makes lots of good points but misses why a lot of people have genuine problems with vista... cause idiots like PC World install it on machines that can barley run XP and flog them as new! I run Vista on my quad core 2gb-ram PC, the same system I run OSx and Linux off, I run it off my dual core 1.5gb-ram laptop... and we use all 3 systems at work in the movie industry. Vista is the most stable (I know... who would have thought) and versatile of the three, it has more support from 3rd party programmers, it is so used to older versions crashing that it has so many manual overrides and redundancies, that I now have FAR more crashes on OSx (on PC or proper Mac). AND it's by far the prettiest! Admittedly you need to turn off UAC straight away. And yes, some features where pinched from other OS's - but I want a system that works well and looks good not a bit of silicon with a conscience. We had a massive crash today, the Linux servers went down, which made the Mac's crash... the only systems still running: the XP and Vista machines (okay the Win 2000's died) - I'm afraid most of the "mac is better" myths that used to put OS well above windows, are now minor points, OS is even running off PC hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbetts Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 PC hardware though isn't made just for Windows. PC hardware is advertised more towards windows, but PC isn't just windows. Linux is the other real PC platform. Apples run off of chipsets and cpus that are used in PCs, so it's kind of obvious that OsX runs on PC hardware with some hacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacNutty Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I think both have their merits and demerits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eject Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 vista has failed, period. it really doesn't matter why, it has. i wanted to love vista, i downloaded every available version before the release, i bought an ultimate license (170€ for the systembuilder version, and guess what, now my key is locked up for some {censored} reason only microsoft understands, i'm not going to call them to unlock it) the only good thing on vista is the better out of the box support of my machines compared to xp. speed isn't my issue either, i just doesn't make any everyday task easier for me. and the saddest thing, it isn't what i hoped it would be, a really superior OS to xp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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