Clone Wars: Open Tech Brands Products "Leopard Compatible"

[Colonel]

Ugh.. Pystar was enough, now we've got every man and his dog trying to sell Hackint0shes.. I mean, maybe its not all a bad thing, but they just do it so.. horribly. I mean, seriously, if you're gonna try selling a Hackintosh, at least make your page look more Apple-ish. What's up with that whole dark theme.. that site looks like some emo kid's myspace rather than a business website. And the name Open Tech? That's just sad that they cant be more original than that... i need some coffee, brb.

[Detosx]

We are all agreed that these companies are bad news, so why give them free publicity like this? At what point do Apple concentrate their unwanted attention not on the obscure startup companies but on those forums pointing people toward those companies? Though this community results in vast sales of Apple hardware when people move from being students, and so on, into work and a real disposeable income, why should Apple tolerate anyone essentially giving free advertising of ready made alternatives to their products? I concede that it's negative advertising and there might even be some mileage in pitching it as Let's help Apple nail the buggers but, as it stands, aren't news postings like this just encouraging others to go off and do similar?

[tomazzzi]

pfff that s a bad new for us.

 

Why people are so stupid ???

 

Psystar wasn t enough ?

 

Open tech is a bunch of {censored}....

 

why should Apple tolerate anyone essentially giving free advertising of ready made alternatives to their products?

 

yes why ?

[MacLone]

There is some smart as*** selling Leopard PCs here in my country, This is going to be so big that will draw apple's attention.

[limini]

Judging by my member number, in the year and half since early 2007 this community has grown from 80k to over 200k! In the same period, Apple has acquired 2-3 percent market share.

 

Historically software companies seeking exposure have "neglected" to persue piracy and illegal use of their software for the benefits of ubiquity and THEN, once they've acquired both the wealth and the penetration, they've turned around, buttoned down the hatches and started implementing serious copy protection and activation schemes to thwart the "damn pirates". Two big comanies come to mind: one starting with the letter "M" and the other with the letter "A", but there are many others. So the possibility exists that the hackintosh is possible in order to fulfill this function (although among the more computer savvy) and that one day it simply won't be possible any more.

 

I would never have gotten a Mac if I hadn't had any exposure to OS X, which I would never have had if I couldn't run OS X on a PC. Many others have posted the same on these forums. The hackintosh turned out to be a perfect way to break this Catch-22 among experienced computer users (make it possible, but not too easy...). I've found that there are many advantages to the Mac both in design and operation, but my old opinion that it's overpriced is still valid (though perhaps not by as much as I used to think) and is largely responsible for Apple's very good financials.

 

But I completely disagree with anyone profiting from this venture in any way. Apple's roots were in tinkering with technology, and I can see them tolerating a small community of DIYers. But if the possibility exists that their cash cow gets cloned, they'll have to react. I don't think dissing these low-brow racketeers on these pages is a bad thing: anyone who reads this will know that they're not thought highly of and that their behavior should be discouraged for the benefit of the community and of the less computer-literate people who'll end up taken advantage of, stuck and incapable of troubleshooting their machines and installs.

[breakingtherules]

Judging by my member number, in the year and half since early 2007 this community has grown from 80k to over 200k! In the same period, Apple has acquired 2-3 percent market share.

 

Historically software companies seeking exposure have "neglected" to persue piracy and illegal use of their software for the benefits of ubiquity and THEN, once they've acquired both the wealth and the penetration, they've turned around, buttoned down the hatches and started implementing serious copy protection and activation schemes to thwart the "damn pirates". Two big comanies come to mind: one starting with the letter "M" and the other with the letter "A", but there are many others. So the possibility exists that the hackintosh is possible in order to fulfill this function (although among the more computer savvy) and that one day it simply won't be possible any more.

 

I would never have gotten a Mac if I hadn't had any exposure to OS X, which I would never have had if I couldn't run OS X on a PC. Many others have posted the same on these forums. The hackintosh turned out to be a perfect way to break this Catch-22 among experienced computer users (make it possible, but not too easy...). I've found that there are many advantages to the Mac both in design and operation, but my old opinion that it's overpriced is still valid (though perhaps not by as much as I used to think) and is largely responsible for Apple's very good financials.

 

But I completely disagree with anyone profiting from this venture in any way. Apple's roots were in tinkering with technology, and I can see them tolerating a small community of DIYers. But if the possibility exists that their cash cow gets cloned, they'll have to react. I don't think dissing these low-brow racketeers on these pages is a bad thing: anyone who reads this will know that they're not thought highly of and that their behavior should be discouraged for the benefit of the community and of the less computer-literate people who'll end up taken advantage of, stuck and incapable of troubleshooting their machines and installs.

 

Thank you.

[__Dragon__]

i just went to the site about 10 minutes ago, then i closed the browser. then i went back to the site and it's no longer there =)) this {censored} it to funny

 

 

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[Daft_Punk]

They would be sued for trademark infringement though.

 

I do agree on that, they could be. Btw all, i sent them an email and the responded:

 

William,

We greatly appreciate your support. And yes, we are aware of the ruthless sharks. Please keep in touch!

 

Thanks,

Open Tech Legal Team

 

On Jul 23, 2008, at 11:18 AM, William Swartzell wrote:

 

Hey, I'm someone in the OSx86 community over at insanelymac.com (I am OSx64 on the forums)

 

I think what you guys are doing is awesome, just remember that this just happened recently to a company similar to yours:

 

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=2240

 

If your not careful, this could be you. Just make sure you don't make the same mistakes they did.

 

I really love what you are doing, and I am a supporter of the OSx86 commercial industry, but I lost respect for Psystar (the other OSx86 company) because they did

something really bad. They not only put Leopard on a non-Apple labeled computer, but modified the license for leopard as well.

 

Take it from me, and I'm totally serious because this can work sometimes, mass purchase a whole bunch of Apple stickers and put them on your computers. Or just send

the owner/purchaser of the computer some so they can do it themselves. It is because of the Mac OS X EULA that says:

 

"This License allows you to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time."

 

Also I noticed that you guys don't pre-install leopard for the user.

 

Great business decision, that way you can't be sued. But remember, Apple's lawyers are ruthless, and may go after your company.

 

Feel free to email back to me at this email address.

 

Thanks for reading, and best of luck to your company. I hope I buy one of your computers one day!

 

 

And if you look on their website Open Tech it shows a humorous picture of a shark and a boat:

 

[steadybootleggin]

"This License allows you to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time."

 

i am pretty sure that means labeled BY apple, not labeled WITH an apple logo

[coolied]

i am pretty sure that means labeled BY apple, not labeled WITH an apple logo

 

 

I still want to know, if that's what Apple meant, why didn't they just word the EULA "a single Apple-branded system" instead of "a single Apple-labeled system"? I've always been taught that it's alot easier to get people to obey instructions if one is clear in their wording of exactly what said instructions mean.

[Daft_Punk]

lawl i just interpret "Apple-Labeled Computer" as any comp thats apple labeled. Like my HP with an apple sticker!

[dillon31292]

I still want to know, if that's what Apple meant, why didn't they just word the EULA "a single Apple-branded system" instead of "a single Apple-labeled system"? I've always been taught that it's alot easier to get people to obey instructions if one is clear in their wording of exactly what said instructions mean.

Do you honestly think that would change anything? Most people know what it means, they just choose to play the ignorant card and pretend not to as an excuse.

[braveskunk]

right, good said dillon31292. it wont change much since the companys aren't installing the software( osx ) on the computers. thats you who do it. and thats you, and me who break the EULA. and we all know it, right? but we do it just as an hobby, not to make profit from that. one thing which really {censored}**** me off is that some of the forums members are making those companys(like phystar and open tech) and try to make some money of that. i bet those aren't experienced and long time users. they just logged in, read some wiki and forums and trying to make some money which isn't that we want, cos they attract Apple's people to our forums. I know apple i aware of our community, but when more people from this community will try to make some money from that, the sooner apple will do anything to bring us down. in my opinion, it's just a playground for apple testers for now, but in the moment they think we are doing something bad to osX they will do anything to stop it...

once again its just my opinion. you may agree with it or not:)

[forster]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mac-Clone-hackintosh...p3286.m14.l1318

 

eBay 'hackintosh' if the link isnt allowed.

 

Got tired of Windows XP lack of security? Can’t see any incentives to migrate to the clunky Windows Vista? Think Linux is way too complicated to use and maintain on a desktop computer? What if you could run the easiest to use and the most secure Operational System ever created in an inexpensive PC assembled with high quality parts? If you like this thought, read on...

 

The "Maven", as nicknamed here, is a fully-fledged and lightning fast PC assembled with off-the-shelf premium branded components running the powerful Mac OSX 10.5.4 (Leopard) in all its glory! You read it right... Ever since Apple migrated to Intel processors Mac OSX has become more and more friendlier, technically speaking, to normal PCs (as long as they use similar hardware from original Apple boxes and get a boot software modification). This machine is just a fine example of that.

 

NOTE THIS ISNT MY SALE

[braveskunk]

some loosers just wont learn nothing. look at this point. if you buy one. it doesnt come with display,mouse, keyboard, speakers and so on, which imac has and tada.. the 200 pounds difference is gone. i assume somebody will mark that auction as violating apple EULA and it will be taken down. if nobody will do it. i will, for god sake. stop selling it, cos its the best way to really {censored} of apple...

[jaez]

Hey, I'm having trouble with this concept. After reading the various posts here, I'm sure there's enough wisdom in this forum to help answer the question.

 

There are two approaches to getting a Hackint0sh:

 

1) Buy a computer with various components, take it home, and then see if Mac OSX will install on it. If not, take computer back to store, and buy another one. Try that. Return all computers that don't work, and keep the final one that has the right combination of hardware components to run Leopard.

 

2) Find a co Like Psystar or Open Tech that claims to sell a computer with all the best compatible hardware components already, take it home and just install Leopard.

 

I'm scratching my head. Seems to me that many people here think option 1) is the best. I'm not sure why. They claim Psyatar etc.. are ripping off the OSx86 community for selling special hardware configurations etc..I can't get by head around the argument. See, I have three computers, only one of them can run Leopard. Thing is, I bought them all before I even considered installing OSX on a PC. I just got lucky that my last computer happened to have the right combination of components. So, I decided to try. And whadda you know, Leopard runs. But, I don't think I would have gone out to buy a PC just to see if Leopard could run on it. If, however, I was in the market for a new computer, I'd certainly consider buying a new PC that made it easier to install the beast. I'm just wondering what's wrong with option 2) above. Why is 1) better than 2)?

 

Anybody?

[monosound]

I don't think Apple will close down the community's and forums because of these hoax and trixter companies because all of us here are indirectly a market group for apple and they know it, How many of us actually own a mac, I guess a lot of us didn't but now we do.

 

And to Open Tech and the others up to no goodies out there, good luck when you hit the fan, {censored} usually do.

 

 

 

Hey, I'm having trouble with this concept. After reading the various posts here, I'm sure there's enough wisdom in this forum to help answer the question.

 

There are two approaches to getting a Hackint0sh:

 

1) Buy a computer with various components, take it home, and then see if Mac OSX will install on it. If not, take computer back to store, and buy another one. Try that. Return all computers that don't work, and keep the final one that has the right combination of hardware components to run Leopard.

 

2) Find a co Like Psystar or Open Tech that claims to sell a computer with all the best compatible hardware components already, take it home and just install Leopard.

 

I'm scratching my head. Seems to me that many people here think option 1) is the best. I'm not sure why. They claim Psyatar etc.. are ripping off the OSx86 community for selling special hardware configurations etc..I can't get by head around the argument. See, I have three computers, only one of them can run Leopard. Thing is, I bought them all before I even considered installing OSX on a PC. I just got lucky that my last computer happened to have the right combination of components. So, I decided to try. And whadda you know, Leopard runs. But, I don't think I would have gone out to buy a PC just to see if Leopard could run on it. If, however, I was in the market for a new computer, I'd certainly consider buying a new PC that made it easier to install the beast. I'm just wondering what's wrong with option 2) above. Why is 1) better than 2)?

 

Anybody?

 

Well there are two more options.

 

3) you can use this forum and and read for a while and then hand pick components and build your own Hackintosh. It's often easier than you might think and you learn a lot about computers in the process, Oh it's often cheaper too.

 

Or...

 

4) save those dollars and cents and buy a Mac...

 

what ever you choose, good luck.

[braveskunk]

Hey, I'm having trouble with this concept. After reading the various posts here, I'm sure there's enough wisdom in this forum to help answer the question.

 

There are two approaches to getting a Hackint0sh:

 

1) Buy a computer with various components, take it home, and then see if Mac OSX will install on it. If not, take computer back to store, and buy another one. Try that. Return all computers that don't work, and keep the final one that has the right combination of hardware components to run Leopard.

 

2) Find a co Like Psystar or Open Tech that claims to sell a computer with all the best compatible hardware components already, take it home and just install Leopard.

 

I'm scratching my head. Seems to me that many people here think option 1) is the best. I'm not sure why. They claim Psyatar etc.. are ripping off the OSx86 community for selling special hardware configurations etc..I can't get by head around the argument. See, I have three computers, only one of them can run Leopard. Thing is, I bought them all before I even considered installing OSX on a PC. I just got lucky that my last computer happened to have the right combination of components. So, I decided to try. And whadda you know, Leopard runs. But, I don't think I would have gone out to buy a PC just to see if Leopard could run on it. If, however, I was in the market for a new computer, I'd certainly consider buying a new PC that made it easier to install the beast. I'm just wondering what's wrong with option 2) above. Why is 1) better than 2)?

 

Anybody?

 

 

it's not that your buying a PC just to check if it will be able to run leo. it's clear that if ur trying to run leo on pc which one you plan to buy you'll check the wiki, whole forum and pickup THE BEST configuration possible and not buy a black box and hope it will run. getting the point? they just claim it will be able to run, but what next? nobody will give u any support(from the co's) after the installation. other thing, if you can buy the same hardware in the shop, put it all togheter, why paying phystar and open tech extra money for doing it? and the last thing, for me most important i think. here, on osx forums we do it as an hobby, cos we like it, kind of tribute to OSX, but when some as**** reads our wiki, forums etc. and starts selling our knowledge and time we spent to get it running(without even letting us know)- it really makes me angry. its the analogy to the open source software. anyone can modify, but not sell. i dont mind using it for personal purspose, bcos its just the way it works. i get something from you and vice versa...

[Kane Adams]

3) you can use this forum and and read for a while and then hand pick components and build your own Hackintosh. It's often easier than you might think and you learn a lot about computers in the process, Oh it's often cheaper too.

Don't you mean Hope someone helps you with your problem.

[forster]

Don't you mean Hope someone helps you with your problem.

 

ooo - think someone needs a hug

 

There's also the software tweaks that members of the community release for free, that other companies give zero credit for, even though it's pivotal to the sales of their machines.

 

Ive installed OSX on a handful of machines now, and I always try and thank those who have contributed patches/tweaks/solutions to problems that I come across - if some faceless company is just taking those patches and not giving anything back, you can see why lots of people would get jaded by that.

 

Also, I think that you would have to be a whole different kind of stupid to buy a whole PC just to see if you can run OSX, and if not, return it to the store - that's just moronic, unless you have the technical ability to work through the problems and get it up and running. However, more often than not, there's usually patches for the more common equipment - my current hackintosh was built with handpicked components from a thread by members from this site, with such a wealth of information here, you'd be a fool to do otherwise, unless you were planning on developing patches for that particular system (Im thinking the first people who got their hands on the new netbooks, eeepc's, MSi Winds etc)

[elenore19]

I agree: if x86 for profit gets too prolific, Apple WILL have to put their foot down across the board. There's even people doing it on eBay now.

Has anyone tried these directions out?

It sounds way too easy compared to all the work all the members on this site put into making their hackintoshes.

In the future I'm definitely planning on attempting my own build. But I can't say I wouldn't love if I could just go to a site and buy a hackintosh that is all ready to go.

[JustinTD]

ya know, they won't be sued. just as long as they don't modify the EULA.

 

they don't install leopard for you because the company (if the company is even real, i doubt it) would get in trouble, instead they send a "Do-it-yourself kit".

 

This way, they aren't violating the EULA, the customer/purchaser is.

 

wrong. the EULA says you cant install the OS on non apple labeled hardware OR ENABLE OTHERS TO DO SO ... what do you think the "do it yourself kit" does?

 

BTW, I just did a search for the US eBay and found ...

 

1. People selling kits to install OSX on PC's (use keywords "leopard pc") for $9.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/INSTALL-OS-X-LEOPARD-O...1QQcmdZViewItem

 

2. People selling computers with OSX pre-installed for $1400 - $2200 (use keywords "leopard pc" and click the search titles/desc checkbox)

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-XTRME-Gaming-Compu...1QQcmdZViewItem

[steadybootleggin]

In the future I'm definitely planning on attempting my own build. But I can't say I wouldn't love if I could just go to a site and buy a hackintosh that is all ready to go.

 

really? would you? i would rather do a bit of poking around on the wiki to find the hardware that requires the least amount of tinkering, then i would shop around and get that hardware at the best price, build my own rig out of quality parts cutting out the ''open hack'' middle man . doing all that is like a baptism of fire......puting in a bit of effort will give you some knowledge then you can answer a question or two about osx86

 

.....or you can get a cheap puter and get it working as best as possible and have an apple for cheap.

my first hack was a dell optiplex that i got for less than $225 ( that includes nvidia 5200 ) and everything worked great except for sleep ....oh well...and you know what? after a day or two the apple update tutorial or dvd/pkg would come out so i could update....no prob

[ Mysticus C*]

now this will be interesting...

 

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/07...ple_before.html

 

psystar hire attorneys who have taken down apple/microsoft before

 

let the real battle begin now...

[Reveeen]

"Hey, I'm having trouble with this concept. After reading the various posts here, I'm sure there's enough wisdom in this forum to help answer the question."

 

 

It already exists in the forum, you don't have to muck about, or waste any time. From finding out what to buy, to building dumpster Macs (I posted 2), there is something for everyone's budget. It is ALL there if you choose to read.