Numberzz Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 So I made my way to Paul Thurrot's website when I saw a banner at the top that said something about Leopard. Usually Paul isn't this mean to Apple, even though he is a Windows Fanatic. So I decided to write something about Windows Vista Service Pack 1, or as I like to call it, Windows Vista GM. Now recently, Paul had posted an article of the beta of Service Pack 1. So I went to the page, and looked at the first "feature" that was mentioned. "Before and after: The Vista SP1 Start Menu, on the right, loses the Search item." Woah, slow down there. Losing a feature!? Damn, I wish I used Vista. Traveling down the list, the next one pops out. "Before and after: Vista SP1, bottom right, drops a lot of the claims about Ultimate Extras. " No way, Microsoft finally toned down the services Mircosoft can provide if you pay $360 for an upgrade. Wow, that is one hell of a feature right there. So finally, the best feature of them all. Get ready, this one is awesome. Here it is: "The new SP1 Disk Defragmenter lets you choose which volumes you'd like to defrag." NO F'ING WAY. That is amazing. Too bad Mac OS X already defragments any file below 20MB when you open it. Too bad. So, Leopard might not have the New UI and Instant Search that Vista does. But hey, Vista was only like $360 right? I mean, who would pay $129 for Leopard, even with Kick-Ass features like Time Machine, Spaces, and Screen Sharing. Even when you have to get Anti-Virus for Vista and none for OS X. Saving Money and using a better OS is such a pain isn't it? Learn About Vista SP1 Features Here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreakTheChains Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Wow that Paul guy is a dicknose. He should definitely go jump off of a short cliff into a bed of blunt spikes. Oh and he should bring his {censored} OS Windows with him. Maybe I should talk to him about my wonderful time trying to fix Windows even before it's been installed. Yes that's right, it's not even installed and I'm having critical problems with it. Someone should hack his website specifically to get rid of that banner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLiDE FTW!!1 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Someone should hack his website specifically to get rid of that banner. If someone was that easily offended by the banner, they should get out more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Envying Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 IMHO, if you are an apple fan, don't take it too serious what M$ fan says and vice versa. Everybody's doing something in his or her way for its own reason, so does a company. Let it be, enjoy what you have and be objective on anything and even your enemy's behavior, period! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dainix Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 A fanatic fighting a fanatic. Personally, this makes me chuckle. Oh well, what I'm wondering is how Windows XP Service Pack 3 will turn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numberzz Posted October 22, 2007 Author Share Posted October 22, 2007 Guys, I just saw that and I decided to write something half-serious and half-funny about it. I know it was a rant, but still, I just wanted to write something about Vista. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDRacer48 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 IMHO, if you are an apple fan, don't take it too serious what M$ fan says and vice versa. Everybody's doing something in his or her way for its own reason, so does a company. Let it be, enjoy what you have and be objective on anything and even your enemy's behavior, period! Good Call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darcagn Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 I don't know what's wrong with Paul Thurrott. I've read his site many times over the years, and I think he does a fine job. But despite his claim of being a "huge fan of both Apple and Mac OS X," he really comes off as a hater. In his Leopard page he claims that Apple's OS software has costed $750 over the years (6 releases x $130) but what he fails to realize is that Puma was free for Cheetah users, so that's realistically only $650 (5 releases x $130). Purchasing a copy of the best (and only) version of OS X costs $130, whereas the best versions of Windows have costed $300+. If you bought every version of OS X since its existence vs. buying every version of Windows since OS X's existence, you would roughly be paying the same amount. Now, if you were making an individual one-time purchase, OS X wins out at $130. I personally prefer the release-often schedule that Apple has with OS X. It keeps my computer up to date feature-wise and I always feel on the cutting edge of technology vs. Windows users still using the same OS they were using in 2001. But Paul forgets that until XP, Microsoft released fairly often, too. Windows 95, 98, Me (00), XP (01), not forgetting that 98 was supposed to be 97, and so forth. Then he claims that Apple has "absolutely nothing" like Microsoft's Media Center and Tablet PC functionality. Uh, ever heard of Front Row or Inkwell? Admittedly both of these aren't as mature as Microsoft's products, and Inkwell isn't even used, I wouldn't say that Apple has "absolutely nothing" like that, as if Microsoft is some innovation machine. I honestly don't think Vista had much improvements feature-wise over XP, so I don't see why he'd be making fun of Leopard by calling it a "service pack." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apowerr Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 I like Paul Thurrott. A lot. I'll have to wait for his Leopard Review before I decide if he is simply hating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superhai Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 He is a fanboy of Windows, definetly. I don't think he hates OS X or Apple, but I wonder if he likes to be slightly sarcastic in his titles at times. But overall he is able to write good articles, and he put up some points that are worth pointing out. But you need to use a filter to demask some of his opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Envying Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 He is a fanboy of Windows, definetly. I don't think he hates OS X or Apple, but I wonder if he likes to be slightly sarcastic in his titles at times. But overall he is able to write good articles, and he put up some points that are worth pointing out. But you need to use a filter to demask some of his opinions. Can't agree no more, if you guys are interested in some of his review. Here is a very good and thorough one for iphone. I think it is way better than similar ones I saw on appleinsider, macworld or other Apple centric site. http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/iphone.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdshft Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 As for the pricing thing, you guys are simply missing the scope of things. Apple is both a software and hardware vendor. And by restricting their software to their machines, they can sell their OS at a much lower price compared to a company who produces mostly software, namely Windows (I didn't say ONLY software, because I know you can include the Xbox and Xbox 360 as hardware). And again, it's all about semantics. The Apple fanboys who pick on Windows for being pricey forget that a lot of the times, their precious hardware is also overpriced. Every caveat has it's pro's and cons, and Apple is not an exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLiDE FTW!!1 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 As for the pricing thing, you guys are simply missing the scope of things. Apple is both a software and hardware vendor. And by restricting their software to their machines, they can sell their OS at a much lower price compared to a company who produces mostly software, namely Windows (I didn't say ONLY software, because I know you can include the Xbox and Xbox 360 as hardware). And again, it's all about semantics. The Apple fanboys who pick on Windows for being pricey forget that a lot of the times, their precious hardware is also overpriced. Every caveat has it's pro's and cons, and Apple is not an exception. Totally agreed. If you haven't, check out the book, "Wikinomics". It covers topics regarding the openess of software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmab2k6 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 for someone who dosnt like apple this paul guy certainly owns alot of apple products Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDRacer48 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 yes it is a service pack, version 5 to be exact just like vista is a service pack, version 8 to be exact (that is counting back to the first release of W2K). Number One Rule to call anything a new operating system: It must have been rebuilt from the kernel up (not an addition or enhancement to the previous kernel). Neither have the trait. SERVICE PACK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scj312 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Leopard is not a service pack. 10.1, 10.2 and 10.3 were, in my opinion. And, Vista SP1 has a new kernel from Server 2008. Not rewritten, but a of a lot faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbetts Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Even if it is, with all the new features added on to it, imo it's worth the cost. It's not like it's $300 for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwhsh8r Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Someone should hack his website specifically to get rid of that banner. lol your calling that paul guy a {censored} for being a windows fanatic, guess what, your an osx obsessor, your doing the same stuff exept for osx.... if not worse so you just called yourself a {censored} XD you seem worse than him honestly, but back on topic yeah that banner really sumed up what leopard seems to be to me..... it really isnt a new os. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragossh Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 it really isnt a new os. Of course it isn't. It's just a new version of OS X, like Vista is just a new version of Windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabr Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Nice story Numberz. It's nice to see some original news coming from you. Keep it up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synaesthesia Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 He's just bitter coz vista is lame compared to Leopard, and he knows it! I'm not saying Mossberg is the last word, but if you think about what he says, it's so true... Leopard felt about as fast as Tiger, and it started up much faster than Vista in my tests. I compared a MacBook Pro laptop with Leopard preinstalled to a Sony Vaio laptop with Vista preinstalled. Even though I had cleared out all of the useless trial software Sony had placed on the Vaio, it still started up painfully slowly compared with the Leopard laptop. It took the Vista machine nearly two minutes to perform a cold start and be ready to run, including connecting to my wireless network. The Leopard laptop was up, running and connected to the network in 38 seconds. In a test of restarting the two laptops after they had been running an email program, a Web browser and a word processor, the Sony with Vista took three minutes and 29 seconds, while the Apple running Leopard took one minute and five seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbetts Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Of course it isn't. It's just a new version of OS X, like Vista is just a new version of Windows. Vista was actually completely built, and not based off an older OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empreality Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Noooooooo offense people... But if you are going from 10.4 to....... 10.5, that's not a new OS... You are still running the same os...Notice the 10 in the front.... Meaning that it still is OS 10...Nothing new... What follows after the period is the version number....Meaning that you are running the new version of the same damn os... Okay, fine here is an example... Firefox 2 and Firefox 2.0.0.8 Both releases are the same thing, it is still Firefox v2...Also notice that with every 0.0.#, it only goes with bug fixes and what not...They don't advertise like it's a brand new internet browser every freakin' time... Here is why Leopard can be considered a Service Pack... Because it is just an update.....To......Wait.....OS 10 Oh, and you get to pay $120 for it... Basically, ever since 10.1 you have been paying for the same old operating system....Over and over again........................Just because it has a cooler name, doesn't mean it's better than what is already best... Wow that Paul guy is a dicknose. He should definitely go jump off of a short cliff into a bed of blunt spikes. Oh and he should bring his {censored} OS Windows with him. Maybe I should talk to him about my wonderful time trying to fix Windows even before it's been installed. Yes that's right, it's not even installed and I'm having critical problems with it. Someone should hack his website specifically to get rid of that banner. Are you a {censored} idiot? You complain about fixing problems with Windows....Yet, you don't mind paying $120 for a new version of the same old OS....That doesn't even have any problems in the first place... So what the hell are you complaining about? You are wasting money on something that is not even broken.....I say you should definitely go jump of a cliff into a bed of blunt spikes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forceman Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 As for the pricing thing, you guys are simply missing the scope of things. Apple is both a software and hardware vendor. And by restricting their software to their machines, they can sell their OS at a much lower price compared to a company who produces mostly software, namely Windows (I didn't say ONLY software, because I know you can include the Xbox and Xbox 360 as hardware). And again, it's all about semantics. The Apple fanboys who pick on Windows for being pricey forget that a lot of the times, their precious hardware is also overpriced. Every caveat has it's pro's and cons, and Apple is not an exception. Microsoft dont make PC's, I dont see your point and for one PC cost less because they sell more with cheap crappy components. Look at the new iMacs, you pay for quality and design. Microsoft sell their OS to OEM's and to 90% of the worlds computer and still have the balls to sell it at a huge price, OS X is much more easier to budget for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLiDE FTW!!1 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Microsoft dont make PC's, I dont see your point and for one PC cost less because they sell more with cheap crappy components. Look at the new iMacs, you pay for quality and design. Microsoft sell their OS to OEM's and to 90% of the worlds computer and still have the balls to sell it at a huge price, OS X is much more easier to budget for. Uhhhhhh yeah, the whole "mac hardware is better than PC hardware" credibility was thrown away when Apple went with Intel. Apple has gone downhill in terms of hardware quality. Actually, the HP TabletPC I'm using right now has better specs, more features, and has more useability than my brother's macbook (which costed about the same), so, how do you figure? (AND HP's warranty is wayyy better than APP, it even has accidental damage coverage.) Design does not equal hardware quality. Then again I'm buying a new Macbook when they are revised because I'm a technology whore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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