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Good point glassJAw :thumbsup_anim:

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Guys would you pay an extra 40% for Apple products? We're not saying they're bad or not stupid or anything. We want Apple Macs. Just they're SO much more expensive outside the USA. Apple just doesn't care. Look at the iPod index. All the European countries and South Africa pay about $220 for the $150 iPod nano.

Meh. Whatever, there's no resolution to this thread.

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It must be a matter of personal experience and which distro you use.
In my experience openSUSE is rock solid.



depends on that, hardware drivers, quality of the drivers, and also how the app was written really


linux is the only os ive had thats ever FUkd itsself..... and i mean royally, i used suse 10. something i think, it was like a little bit before they changed the name to openSUSE


depends on if teh distro likes the hardware is my guess, but its just that, a guess..

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depends on that, hardware drivers, quality of the drivers, and also how the app was written really
linux is the only os ive had thats ever FUkd itsself..... and i mean royally, i used suse 10. something i think, it was like a little bit before they changed the name to openSUSE
depends on if teh distro likes the hardware is my guess, but its just that, a guess..


All I know is that 10.1 was released with a messed up package manager. That was the first and last time something like that happened in the long SUSE history.
Later they released a remastered version.

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in my opinion MS vs. MAC .

MS is a lot more smarter than OSX period, OSX has a nice drooling interface, even so I lik eOSX but people that used both probably notices that MS is just a decent well done OS, you compare from any angle you want. will see what Leopard has to offer but I have a feeling not much from Tiger. One thing I like a loty that my Adobe stuff works better in OSX :P

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A decent well done OS? Are you joking? Windows OSes have the most bugs and problems out of all the OSes here today!

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MS is a lot more smarter than OSX period

No offense, but that sounds like a statement from someone that doesn't know very much about OS design, exclamation point. :unsure:

And that would be "Windows is a lot more...." or "MS is a lot more.... than Apple" :P

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Guy imo it's in important to clarify some statements:
1) iMac is a system (hardware+software) light miles better than any other PC system but its defect is the price (now you pay 300 more).
2) PC (hardware+windows) has the best quality/price ratio, and if you consider pirate software...
3) PC (hardware+free linux) is the cheapest choice for all user type.

I tried new iMac and it's awesome (style, functionality, usability). But I (and I think many more) can't spend 300 more for something. I see that Armani shoes are better than Nike shoes but I don't buy Armani shoes just because I CAN'T not because I DON'T WANT.
So if you have more money than me you MUST buy an iMac. Otherwise buy a normal PC and even if it sometime freezes...restart! Do you want a Ferrari or a Fiat? Only your bank can decide!
I think if S. Jobs wants to allow people like me buy an Apple Computer he should change Apple release schedule. When Mac mounted PPC he could update the hardware when he wanted because a real Mac-PC comparison wasn't possible. Now that people see that iMac mounts a Core2Duo 2Ghz and a PC mount a Core2Duo 2,33Ghz with a double sized FSB...
But if you compare hardware and price between Mac and Pc at the very beginning of an iMac update you see that the choice is for iMac. But just after few weeks the facts change! The PC hardware and market evolution is faster than old PPC!

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in my opinion MS vs. MAC .

MS is a lot more smarter than OSX period, OSX has a nice drooling interface, even so I lik eOSX but people that used both probably notices that MS is just a decent well done OS, you compare from any angle you want. will see what Leopard has to offer but I have a feeling not much from Tiger. One thing I like a loty that my Adobe stuff works better in OSX :)


Every Windows before Vista had NO SECURITY Implementation is mind. The foundation of Windows is poor. People always say "Well I'm smart enough not to go on bad sites and get Viruses" but REGULAR people have {censored}ed up Windows machines all the time. All my friends who just use a PC have problems with their computers. This is failure on Microsoft's part. They still didn't get it right with Vista because all you have to do is press Allow and it's the same {censored}. At least with OS X, if it's just a APP it doesn't need permission to get installed unless it needs root access which then it asks for the password.

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Every Windows before Vista had NO SECURITY Implementation is mind. The foundation of Windows is poor. People always say "Well I'm smart enough not to go on bad sites and get Viruses" but REGULAR people have {censored}ed up Windows machines all the time. All my friends who just use a PC have problems with their computers. This is failure on Microsoft's part. They still didn't get it right with Vista because all you have to do is press Allow and it's the same {censored}. At least with OS X, if it's just a APP it doesn't need permission to get installed unless it needs root access which then it asks for the password.


Remember that hacker attention is for Windows cause, hacking windows you have more visibility. So if OSX or Linux were widely used they would be affected exactly as windows. Remember that OSX was hacked in a few minutes in front of S. Jobs who paid a lot of dollars!

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OS X is good for tunes, pictures viewing even so the iPhoto is just lame in my opinion unless you want to use third party software. try to use OSX in business envirment

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How I feel:
Apple Computers overpriced?
Laptops: no
Desktops: yes

Windows poorly made?
Overall: no
NT is definitely showing its age and needs to be nixed though.

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This rubbish guys! Seriously if you think they are over priced you don't know what you are looking at.

Just add up all the pieces in the mac and get the prices of all te equivalents, and don't for get that the macs have the best quality products in them you will find. Everyone knows this.

Plus you get an operating system, around $199AU and iLife $99AU plus 1 year warranty and 90-day phone support.

How can you say this is expensive.

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How can you say this is expensive.


Disclaimer: I totally screwed up on the original version of this post, I made a good deal of edits

To make the match Identical, I had to give the built PC and the Dell an 8800 GTX.

All computers you don't build yourself are expensive. Here is a comparison of a like Dell and home-built PC.
Case:
Antec Nine Hundred $129.99
Motherboard:
ABIT IP35 Pro LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard $184.99
Power Supply:
Hiper v2.2 580W Modular Power Supply $94.99
RAM:
Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) $109.99
Processor:
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz $277.99
HDD:
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS $84.99
Optical Drive:
Some SATA Samsung that burns CDs/DVDs $29.99
Video Card:
EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB $549.99
CPU Cooling:
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU $19.99
OS:
Microsoft Windows Vista 32-Bit Ultimate for System Builders Single Pack DVD $169.99

TOTAL: $1652.90

Dell:
Intel Core™ 2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)
Genuine Windows Vista Ultimate
2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 2 DIMMs
320GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache™
Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
No Monitor
768MB nVidia GeForce 8800 GTX

TOTAL: $1,848

Consider this though: How much could you overclock that Dell? The Antec 900 case is perfect for OCing.

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Does that 509 include your premium quality lcd display, your operating system and digital entertainment software plus a free year of subscription to .mac?

Are you planning on using a hard drive and optical drive or going with out?

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TOTAL: $590.95
Add in a $200 video card and you've got a great PC for under $1,000

How much is that same system if Dell makes it for you?

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Thanks for pointing out the obvious!

You forgot the DVD drive, and operating system, mouse, keyboard, hard drive.

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erei33, that is a really bad comparison.

Your price does not include hard drives, optical drives, OS, speakers, monitor, and extra software. Total that up and its going to over to 1100-1500 dollars and thats around what a pre-made PC costs.

P.S. erei33, did you read the PM I sent you?

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some of you ppl are freaking blind that you think that MACs are same or equil to PCs , makes me laugh. seriously ..

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some of you ppl are freaking blind that you think that MACs are same or equil to PCs , makes me laugh. seriously ..

I don't recall anyone saying that EVERY mac is equal or even ever cheaper.

But people who continually suggest that because by grabbing the cheapest priced components they can from multiple sources and suppliers and then that sum total suggests that every Mac is "way more over priced" or "2x more expensive" is just dumb.

These prices ignore the OS costs also, whether Apple or any pre-built PC maker. Suggesting "well you just add $129 isn't right" because we know just like an OEM versions of Windows, hardware sales subsidize these prices.

Now maybe in non-NA countries it is different, but I know in Canada, the iMac compared to the the same system specs from our 2 biggest PC suppliers, (Dell, Future Shop/Best Buy) are essentially identical.

Now if you want to say, I can build a system with as just as good or better specs, no one in their right mind could say that, but I could also say that about Dell, Gateway, HP, etc





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