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Update: The site has sold. The new owners are fellow OS X fans and have a great vision for the site in the next few years. You'll get the chance to meet them over the next few days. Stay tuned!

 

First, the great news. I found out last week that I’ve been accepted into a one-year Masters program at the University of Chicago. I’ll be seeking my degree in Political Theory at the school where so many great minds have gone before me. I’m honored to follow their footsteps.

 

Now, the rest of the story. InsanelyMac, along with the OSx86 Project wiki and OnMac.net, is for sale.

 

Over the course of many sleepless nights, I’ve come to the realize that the schedule required by such a program won’t allow me to devote the time required to see InsanelyMac grow into the future. It’s been a struggle to do so over the past year, and all indications would point to a school load that’s 3-4x what I’m currently carrying at the end of my Senior year. A community such as this needs a strong leader who will do whatever is necessary to fight for the continued strength of that community. I have served in that capacity as I was able, but fate now takes me on a much different path.

 

I thought I’d try to answer a few of the questions that I’ve received over the past few days in discussing the matter with the staff:

 

What will you be selling?

Simply the things for which I have paid from my own pocket – the server, the domains, the site design and databases, etc.

 

Who will you sell it to?

This is an important point – I will only sell to a buyer who is willing to “carry the torch” and continue to serve InsanelyMac in a manner that we would want. I will not sell to anyone – regardless of money – who does not have the best interests of the community in mind. You can count on that.

 

Will you leave?

No, not at all. I’ll be around for as long as InsanelyMac is here (forever?), although my schedule for the foreseeable future won’t allow the amount of involvement I’d like. I’ll also be here to help with the transition to new ownership.

 

Will the staff leave?

The staff has agreed to stay on through the transition as well. As always, they’re free to leave whenever they’d like. Real life often comes calling when we least expect (or want) it.

 

Why sell?

Ideally I’d just be able to hand the forum over one of the other Administrators of the site, but cmoski, the other remaining Admin, wants to spend his time with IRC-related pursuits. I could give it over to a group who wanted to manage it, but 2 years of running this place have taught me that rule by committee rarely works well.

 

Eventually I came to the conclusion that selling the site would be the best idea. It would give a new owner a stake in its success… and it ensures that he is committed to seeing it forward (or else he wouldn’t spend the money to buy it). It’s a little bit of insurance that my successor will be accountable to both himself and the community, which is exactly how a forum like this should run.

 

Where's the auction?

The SitePoint auction can be found here. Obviously, I'll give preference in bidding to InsanelyMac community members, even if they are not the highest bid.

 

Although I'll still be around in the months to come, let me say this: it's been one wild ride with all of you, and I thank you for all the times we've shared so far. I consider you my friends... and that's one that won't change, regardless of who owns the rights to the site.


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erbic

Posted

Wow...

 

Having read what Kal just posted, I'm not even sure what to think. :unsure:

alloutmacstoday

Posted

dude, stop posting your bull!!!

 

EDIT: you deleted your second one

erbic

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Wow. This page of the topic is changing at a crazy rate. I'm going to go do the homework I've been procrastinating on and check back later to see how this eventually turns out.

 

EDIT:

dude, stop posting your bull!!!

 

EDIT: you deleted your second one

 

This is getting sketchy. :unsure: Kal, I've lost track of how many times you edited that one post.

Zealot

Posted

:D just that and this. :unsure:

 

PS: this is getting bad.

Alessandro17

Posted

Wow, Kal-v2 was banned very fast...

 

I know too little in order to have an opinion, but he is definitely right when he says that a site like this becomes irrelevant very soon without the devs (and I'd like to remember bofors once again: of course install DVDs are very important, but if you don't have the right hardware you won't go very far).

erbic

Posted

This is getting sketchier. I've seen Swad reading this no less than 3 separate times since Kal aka "Kal-v2" and "loldonations" started posting, but he hasn't done anything aside from banning Kal-v2. No replies, nothing. I would have expected him to follow suit by banning loldonations.

 

I know I'm a bit of a nobody, but I would like to know what's going on. I do like this community and the OSx86 project, but things are really getting sketchy IMO.

 

And we still don't know who "paulmuk" is...

 

EDIT:

EDIT: Why delete bwhsh8r's post now that this was in response to? Because he said the same things from other sources..?

Interesting that one, isn't it?

Oh well made for a good screengrab.

 

I thought there was a post missing from the last time I checked... turns out there was.

 

EDIT2: Make that two posts. <_< Is Kal deleting his own posts? I haven't seen Swad (or any mods) here in the last couple of minutes...

GhostOfTheNet

Posted

Hi there,

 

So here in Austria it's now exactly Midnight, so I couldn't read all posts in this thread. I read the mail, and understood why you want to sell this all. You need time to "design" your future, this is good. Maybe the new owner of this all will not follow your footsteps. Maybe he/she will do. But thats not so important. Important is, that you created a great community. I think a strong community. If the new owner will do the wrong things, the community maybe will get smaller. But no one can destroy such a community. These people found this forum and each other because the most of them are living something. They will find a new forum. They will find each other again. Many would say this is worng. It's wrong to bring OSX against apple's will to the PC. They are also saying, it's wrong to develop opensource software, because it reduces the income of companies like M$. But these people are wrong. They don't want to see, that such a community where different people around the world are solving problems togeteher, building new things together and making the impossible possible together, makes these people really happy. More than for example Bill Gates with his money will ever be. So go to your university and don't worry to much about the future of this all. The forum is only a thing which can be replaced if necessary. But no one can destroy the really important work you did in the last few years. To create this community.

 

So I wish you only the best for your future and beg you to excuse my bad english <_<

Ghost

Swad

Posted

If anyone has read Kal's post above, I plead with them to read this rebuttal. Logs, statistics, and all evidence supporting my arguments will be available to anyone who asks.

 

Kal-

 

You were banned once because you’ve proven you have no interest in being an active part of this community, only to spew hate-filled nonsense that is a discredit to the human race. Your post has no merit, you make assertions without any evidence, and even though I should have deleted all of your posts (as we typically do for those evading bans), I decided to let one stay and to respond to it so that everyone can see how utterly nonsensical what you say is.

 

1. AppleLegal, a *current* member of your IRC staff was one of the ones saying it, many were ex staff like myself, Star, and it was posted by a recent staff member at the request of another recent staff member. Nearly all of who left *because* you are most definitely not a good admin, and why on earth would they say it if it wasn't true?
Well, there are a lot of reasons. You’ll never agree with everyone. Frankly, I’ve never done a thing to you, Star, AppleLegal, or the mysterious “recent staff member.” Nothing. I’m sure you’ll get to what I’ve done to be “not a good admin” later, but your list of people with n sao credibility outside your own clique proves nothing.

 

As for us having "changed names" supposedly well, you may notice that on digg you also have a different name.
It’s not that using a different nick is wrong – I have no problem having more than one – but when someone posts as nvidiauser, and that wasn’t who was actually posting, it’s clear you’re trying to impersonate someone, which is wrong. Don’t try to take the moral high ground here.

 

We've never hidden and sneaked around…
See above. Post as yourself next time instead of trying to demean someone else's name.

 

…nor have we actively had someone spy on the "enemy". Remember that little incident Mash?
No, actually, I don’t. We’ve never had an “enemy” here. We’ve had competing sites in the past, but no enemies. And no, we've never spied on anyone.

 

2. On behalf of the older staff let's clarify a few things that people always wondered about, hopefully to make people realise how much you guys cover up and gloss over things that aren't "good for your image".
Indeed, let’s look at the evidence, shall we?

 

We were not `fired`. We were not `removed` from the positions. Not in any way, shape or form.
Lie #2. You were on IRC staff (and many from your clique were forum staff), but you made it clear you didn’t want to work on making the site better, only cause trouble. You mean to tell me you or Star ever cared at all about this site? You didn’t. That was clear from the beginning.

 

Truth is, you even tried to get us to come back, didn't you? We declined again.
Haha. I tried to get us to a point where we could all be cordial and work on the same network, yes. Now being a peacemaker is a bad thing? Please - it was you and Star who wasn't willing to work with anyone on reconciliation.

 

The staff were, in more or less yours and sHARD's exact words, "there to do the {censored} job we can't be bothered with/don't have time for."
First, those weren't sHARD>>s words at all, but I’ll agree that they had that implication. Second, they weren’t mine and I was quite upset with him when I found out he had said them! We’re not one and the same, in case you hadn't noticed.

 

We provided the support to the people in the very beginning, not you.
I’ve never said otherwise. You worked on IRC. What I did was manage this site and try to hold things together on IRC. I finally gave IRC over to others, but I provide support by providing a venue for that support.

 

If you honestly believe you haven't been making money by standing on the shoulders of hard work done by him, myzar, aRT, semthex, Paulicat and the others, you're clearly deluded.

Well, I’d argue the delusion is elsewhere, but I won’t lower myself to your ad hominem attacks. Nevertheless, how have I made money from these guys? I just host the forum, man. People are free to go where they’d like – if it bothered you so much, you could have started up another site that fit your own interests better.

 

But let’s not forget how many donations those “devs” have taken. Hmmm… it seems I’m not only one who has benefited from this work.

The developers are sick of it too with this news by the sounds of it, hence the backlash and why they have moved off to their own IRC network now.
Get your facts straight. They moved two weeks ago, before I had even decided to sell. They moved because of conflict with IRC staff members – not me.

 

Mash/Swad however? Everyone remember him asking for donations for a Macbook as a "reward" or a "thank you"? Remember that while he was doing that, he was making these supposed $1,500-2000 profits per month (more of which in a moment).
I didn’t ask for donations for the MacBook – it was a referral program, which was very clear to everyone. You’re bad at making arguments, but apparently even worse at reading. “Revenue” is not the same as “Profit” and no one with any ounce of business expense would spend their entire business account for one thing, computer or otherwise. I didn’t have the money to buy a laptop, even with all the site money, at the time. Referrals were the only way to get it. Also, everyone who “donated” as you call it was paid back for their referral. Every dime. Next time, do some research before you just make these wild claims.

 

Ah the supposed $1500-2000 per month. Let's look at that for the potential buyer, shall we now? Sounds a lot doesn't it? Not bad anyway.
Did you even read the full auction? I posted the Adsense revenues and showed that the $2000 was a GREAT month and that $140 was a GREAT day – not the norm. That was clear to everyone. What we generally made was a lot lower than that. Why do you keep talking about things you have no clue about?

 

Who would go in for a deal where they end up losing money the first year *except* someone who wants to make a profit in the future?
What a stupid question. Who wouldn’t lose money (it’s called ‘cost of purchase, BTW, not losing money, which implies a negative income stream) if they thought the future would make up for it? If they were passionate about running a community like this and thought they could recoup their expenses in a year? And what’s your point here anyway?

 

Well, let's go onto something even our "bias" can't dispute...
Ok, you (or actually, Zappy) can add and subtract. Your mothers would be proud. But what you’re not seeing is the stats for all of 2005 and 2006. January was a great month for us (ever hear of Macworld?). We don’t always have the same amount of traffic and a lot of the traffic is based on what Apple is doing at the time, digs we get, etc. You make this huge claim that the site is dying based on 3 months of data? Please. You’d be a good fit for Congress, but I hope that analyzing trends doesn’t become your day job.

 

If you had access to all the stats, like the buyers did, you’d see that the site has been steadily growing since it started.

 

Not one of the true original group can remember Mash doing *anything* worth note.
Hmm… starting #osx86, working with Shuddertrix to start the wiki and forum, taking over when personal issues forced him to leave, letting the world know about the TPM, the leaks, bringing people to a central site to talk about things and find info… I’d hate to see what the collective IQ of this “true original group” (which includes whom?) is, because when you “sit around and try to think” the results aren’t that great.

 

Shuddertrix - the original *true* admin - started things.
Wrong again. He and I worked together. He did the tech stuff since he could, but I organized it, did all the post-installation customization, picked out skins, etc.

 

He didn't even design the site. ignorantcow did.
Right. And we paid icow handsomely for it, even though he was in breach of the original terms of our agreement. He didn’t fulfill the contract in time, but I paid him everything I said I would. Is that something that someone so sinister would do?

 

Mash stabbed Shuddertrix in the back to do it.
Shuddertrix was having a nervous breakdown and was put on medication and was, by his own admittance, not at the place he could be an Admin. You’re skipping over all the times he cause huge flare-ups on IRC and on the forum. The day that I asked him to step down, he said, “You’ve been a good friend to me, Jason Swadley.” Those are his own words. Originally he was just going to take a break for a few months, but at the end of those months we both decided that he was better off to stay away from the drama. You knew he was having issues at the time, yet you force me to drag out someone else’s personal issues here for all to see, just to refute a baseless accusation. You should be ashamed.
Mash... idled.
...and did a lot of work on the forum. If you’d notice, IRC has never been my top priority – the forum was once it was established. You wouldn’t know that since you really didn’t care about it, but I was here. Working.

 

This isn't right Mash. You know it if you realise for one single second the devs have been a huge part of "your" site's growth.
People come here for the community and discussion, not what the “devs” do. They don’t make up the site – it’s bigger than me or them or you. Do they contribute a lot to the content? Yes. Are they important? Of course. But they don’t make up the site any more than I do.

 

We've told the truth to the community *we* started.
This is most laughable comment of all! Who started the IRC channel? Who worked so hard on getting this forum and wiki up and running, which is how most people found out about IRC anyway? Me. Not you, Kal. Not Star. Me. And Shuddertrix. And shard>>>, cmoski, other, etc. I’ve worked with people, but for you to claim that your little posse of idiots started this community is an insult to everyone here.

 

Kal - former member of staff and original IRC staff.
You’ve really made yourself out to be the hero in this, but let’s talk about what you’ve really done... and haven't done. First, you’ve never done anything for this site. Ever. Not one moderator edit. Not one single improvement. Nothing. Secondly, on IRC, while you did help people (I’ll give you that) you were also one of the two people I could always count on cause problems – you and Star. I did nothing to you – nothing – yet you two began to hate me (mostly because you'd just believe IRC rumors and never ask me, like a real man, for my side). For no reason at all. And you hated sHARD>> and, instead of working to bring things together, threw your hands up at the first sign of trouble and immediately began a campaign to get us to leave or leave yourself. Yeah, that’s noble. Finally, you were eventually banned from the forum because you proved you were too selfish to actually contribute anything worthwhile, but instead spread these lies in an effort to discredit the very people who have supported this community all along.

 

I allowed your post to stay since I’m not afraid of the truth. But if this is the best you have to give InsanelyMac, I’d ask that you give nothing at all. Keep acting like a two year old and reregister as many times as you’d like, but I’ll continue to ban you. No one takes you seriously any more. You have no credibility here. I’m glad you’ve wasted these hours of my life and your life by talking about these accusations that have no basis in fact.

Swad

Posted

On a much lighter note, the website has been sold and I'll be introducing everyone to the new owners tomorrow or Tuesday at the latest.

 

I wait to let them tell you about themselves, but I will say that they're Mac users with a heart for this type of community. We'll be having a couple of scheduled discussions on IRC so that everyone can meet them and ask any questions they'd like.

 

Thanks! <_>

GhostOfTheNet

Posted

I never read posts which begins with something like this

Right. Guess we need a few points addressed here.

 

greetz and gn8

Ghost

haydio

Posted

After all that i belive swad give a good stong, beliveable argument. If swad wishes to sell the site that He OWNS He has every right to, He didnt force the devs into helping, He didnt force JaS into making the dvds, they contributed at there own will. Because swad is making a "profit" dosn't mean that he has to give some of the profit to them, if they wanted profit im sure they could of started there own websites like this one.

 

after that i wish the best of luck to swad and i hope he sticks around. <_<

X-Man

Posted

Goodbye Swad. Good luck in all your endeavors. I hope that your future brings you joy, happiness and peace. Study hard.

Sabr

Posted

On a much lighter note, the website has been sold and I'll be introducing everyone to the new owners tomorrow or Tuesday at the latest.

 

I wait to let them tell you about themselves, but I will say that they're Mac users with a heart for this type of community. We'll be having a couple of scheduled discussions on IRC so that everyone can meet them and ask any questions they'd like.

 

Thanks! <_>

 

Thanks Swad! I'm very excited to meet them (how many are there?). :)

Soündless

Posted

don't be a stranger around here swad!

alloutmacstoday

Posted

good luck swad on behaf of me and the whole nicemac.com community, we wish you luck with your studies

devilhood

Posted

Kal, there's no point in talking about 'rewards' and what you believe Swad owe's the dev's, because signing up to this community and starting projects isn't like going on a three month contract with full pay.

Dev's aren't without support, they have the entire community behind them.

 

It's just easier to blame one person at the end of it all. Very easy.

Swad

Posted

Goodbye Swad.
don't be a stranger around here swad!
Part of the contract was that I'll stick around for at least the next 3 years in a similar role to the one I have now - so don't worry, I'll still be around when time allows. :(

 

The new owners (one of whom, Paul, was the one who made the bid, thus the nick) are really committed to seeing InsanelyMac grow. I chose them over other bidders (even several at the same or higher private bids) because the changes they want to make are improvements, many of which I'd be wanted to make for some time. They're excited about the future - I can't wait for you all to meet them.

Star

Posted

First, you’ve never done anything for this site. Ever. Not one moderator edit. Not one single improvement. Nothing. Secondly, on IRC, while you did help people (I’ll give you that) you were also one of the two people I could always count on cause problems – you and Star. I did nothing to you – nothing – yet you two began to hate me (mostly because you'd just believe IRC rumors and never ask me, like a real man, for my side). For no reason at all. And you hated sHARD>> and, instead of working to bring things together, threw your hands up at the first sign of trouble and immediately began a campaign to get us to leave or leave yourself.

 

WHO DARES SUMMON ME?!

 

on a more serious note, hello Mash,

 

I'm kinda flattered you seem as annoyed with me as Kal when I haven't posted more than a handfull of messages here since the site was made, nor even made contact with you since you left r-type, but I would like to counterpoint some of your words about me.

 

You are right I didn't care a whole lot for the site. It was nothing personal as I rarely post anything to any forums. I prefer IRC or other forms of IM communication, thus I stayed on IRC and if I could help out people I did. For the claim of "always causing problems" as I said earlier, once #osx86 left r-type I never followed you anywhere and caused any issues. At one point near the end of the room's time on r-type I did request to be promoted to a sop. This was done because the number of ops was going down fast, so we needed to be able to promote others to aop, and set akicks for frequent problem users. Neither of these were possible with you and sHARD rarely showing up. The only thing I did on IRC that could even be considered "causing problems" was walking out on the room when I (Along with many other ops at the same time.) felt it was pointless to continue. So yes I will admit to doing that.

 

Regarding the part with sHARD, he made it VERY clear the network was going to bend to his rules by letting him link servers and requiring us filter our users and rooms so only ones he approved of were able to see anything from "his servers". Or he was, as he said, going off to start a new network and taking #osx86 with him. This was all way before anyone stopped moderating the room. "Working things out" with him would have ment drasticly changing the network to give him control, which I was not willing to do as I felt the network comes first before the demands of any user or room.

 

It might supprise you, but no I don't hate you, and I'm not here to post on either side of the debate about you selling the site. If you want to feel angry at me thats fine and your right to, but I personally don't hate you. I only posted since you mentioned me and I wanted to give my side of the arguement against me.

 

Star

 

Quick edit to fix a typo

Swad

Posted

Star,

 

Thanks for your message - I appreciate the civil tone and it's nice to know you don't have anything against me. I've never had anything against you or Kal, I just wish we could discuss this like gentlemen. Sorry if I was a little upset earlier - I haven't slept much in the past two days.

 

As for the points on sHARD>>... he made most of his IRC decisions without my consent and the things that made you angry generally made me upset as well. I was always sorry that we couldn't come together on some things. But those mistakes, on both sides, are in the past and we're about to enter into an exciting future. It should be fun - I hope you'll be around. :(

joe75

Posted

This sh!ts better then some soap operas :(

 

I didn't think selling would be such a big deal

Star

Posted

Star,

 

Thanks for your message - I appreciate the civil tone and it's nice to know you don't have anything against me. I've never had anything against you or Kal, I just wish we could discuss this like gentlemen. Sorry if I was a little upset earlier - I haven't slept much in the past two days.

 

As for the points on sHARD>>... he made most of his IRC decisions without my consent and the things that made you angry generally made me upset as well. I was always sorry that we couldn't come together on some things. But those mistakes, on both sides, are in the past and we're about to enter into an exciting future. It should be fun - I hope you'll be around. :(

 

You are welcome.

 

I feel your original statement saying you felt as if we weren't willing to talk with sHARD is the main reason I replied to this thread. You admit here he was making statements on his own. His "take it or leave it" additude towards what he wanted, combined with telling every op in the room they were all expendable and didn't matter, is why we saw no point in trying hard to make things work. No matter what your opinion of Kal is, I felt that sort of labeling us as being the ones not willing to "work with someone" wasn't correct, so I replied to it.

 

Star

phi

Posted

Well,...

Mash or ... Swad,

this is my first and I think the last personal adressed message, for you.

 

Ok, kal's arguments are strongly emotional..., and not really good.

From the date of my registration here, I am observing the work of the community

and other things on the forum. I can't talk about the IRC because I've been there for 2 times.

 

But, I think I understand why he kal so pissed about you, and not only he but others here too.

The forum is going out of control now, this site is too big, the community to fragmented.

Have you ever tried to solve your OSX86 problem by searching the forum? Do you know,

how many trash you have to let through your brain to get a piece of information. For every piece of

information... This is not, because the admins and the people with knowledge, the devs, and cool girls and guys are doing bad

work! The information this people produce is great and let me remember the early days of the OSX86project.

 

My theory is, that this site has been totaly over-promoted. Yes!! Why? Why 80.000+ Members, why 65 Millions hits and so on?

If you have been interested in the community or in the OSX86 this site would never be like it is now. The plan

to make your buck with it seems to be older, at least since the insanelymac.com transition. I never understood this

transition from the non commercial point of view! Expansion is always commercial!

 

I want to give a last substancial argument:

 

Why should we trust you? You are going to be a polititian! It is your professionality, to lie for getting things

going like you want.

 

 

phi

 

 

P.S.: In the case that my account will be banned now, I would like to thank the people, who did,

the really usefull work, all of you. All the installers kernels and solutions. Thank you very much for your time!

 

maxxuss rules! :(

Swad

Posted

The forum is going out of control now, this site is too big, the community to fragmented.

Have you ever tried to solve your OSX86 problem by searching the forum? Do you know,

how many trash you have to let through your brain to get a piece of information.

This has been something we've always dealt with - for legal reasons, we just allow people to post. We can't try to make things too easy, to make software to do it for you. If we encouraged OSx86 by actively making sure that everyone could do it, Apple would have had us long ago. As it stands, as a place where people are free to post what they'd like and search what they'd like, we're fine.

 

To all-

 

Thanks all for your comments. Today has been quite an emotional day, with a lot of ups and downs, so I'm taking the night off.

 

I'm also closing this thread since the site has been sold and everyone has had their say. Be watching over the next day or so as we introduce the road ahead! Thanks!



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