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I'm new here but well to tell about myself im a Linux\Windows user. I built my computer back in september and dual boot Fedora Core 4 and Windows. I'm a gamer. I run Geoshell instead of explorer(I like to customize my start menu more and no shortcuts). Anyway over at another forum there was a discussion about Vista and all it's features. I stumbled over here, was happy to see that there are plenty of smart people that havn't immediatley cancled out Vista(Suprising Actually, I see more people at Gaming Forums hating Xp than at an Apple website. Suprising but glad none the less).

Anyway I've basically constructed a list of Vista Features. Now Microsoft is going to try and do a big push and bring Pc's back into the gaming world. Yes Vista may have some of the same features as Mac, but hey Windows is used by more people so why not give more people the best features? Vista is going to be a very big upgrade for the Windows platform and not some shell replacement:

 

Gaming

+Vista is going to bring Pc's back into the gaming market in some of the follows ways. The following quote is from NokolaX at www.halflife2.net.

 

- run more than 15 graphical applications at the same time instead of 2

- complete control manager to optimize system resources

- every window in Vista will be a 3D surface (when opening My Computer you're actually watching an interactive 3D texture)

- applications can be bigger than graphic card memory currently allows (advanced VRAM simulation)

- split your monitor into four pieces and play games at the same time while listening to your favourite music with Winamp, watching a movie with Windows Media Player and posting spam on the Guru3D forums

- Vista uses DirectX (WGF) to draw the Windows Desktop

- you are able to rotate your windows in a 3D way, so you can push it to the background, put it upside down or squeeze it in a corner. This way you'll be able to have more windows on your screen at the same time

- Vista supports up to 160 open windows at the same time

- there are four different graphic modes for Vista (2GB/256MB/128MB/64MB textures)

- new motherboard BIOS'es will be integrated into Vista itself

- some of the BIOS settings can be changed within Windows and you won't even have to reboot to apply the new settings

- with XP, users got a lot of freedom to configure and tweak their system but Microsoft says that with Vista the 'more advanced' users will get the freedom to customize and tweak even more features of Windows that weren't possible in XP

 

 

If you want to play a game, Vista will disable every component of your computer that isn't needed by the graphical interface and unloads the Windows Desktop (it's like running a game in MSDOS).

 

While it's true that the graphics technology for Vista is very advanced, it's also true that Microsoft is trying to have a wide array of hardware specifications. By the time Vista actually ships, almost every new PC should be able to support the user interface and Windows Graphics Foundation.

 

 

"Update 1: VISTA CHANGES PC INTO GAME-CONSOLE

Dean Lester, the General Manager of Windows Graphics and Gaming says Microsoft is making the gaming-functionality of Windows Vista the same as a modern game-console, but wants to keep the advantages of PC gaming like high-end graphics and sound hardware, online communities, community support and downloadable content.

 

Update 2: COMPUTERS WITH DIFFERENT LEVELS

Microsoft is working together with nVidia, ATI, AMD and Intel to develop pre-configured computers with different levels, low, mid and high range hardware-configurations for different sales prices. PC's with a certain configuration of CPU, videocard and memory will be split in different levels. Because of this, choosing a PC for gaming gets a lot easier, because fast computers will get a higher level. The system requirements on game-packages will have a level requirement, so you can see if the level of your computer is high enough to handle a game.

 

Update 3: EASY TO USE

With Vista Microsoft wants to eliminate the long installation procedures that PC games have. Installing and playing a game should be as easy as with a console. They too are developing a special driver manager, so you won't have any problems with different drivers. This means no problems with flickering textures, stuttering and crashing anymore, because the drivers will be fully controled by the graphics interface and because of this system nVidia and ATI can develop and test their drivers for problems within a few seconds. Updating drivers and BIOS'es will get a lot easier because Windows Update will get a special feature that automatically checks if your hardware is up to date and automatically updates your drivers, BIOS'es, the Vista graphics interface and even updates for the most important feature of Vista, WGF 2.0.

 

Update 4: FUTURE GRAPHICS

Microsoft is going to implement Pixel and Vertex Shader 4.0 support into the new graphics interface, so in the near future after Vista is released there doesn't have to be another newer version of WGF to be released. Epic has announced that their Unreal 3 Engine will support future pixel and vertex shader versions that are going to be implemented when the Unreal 3 Engine is near completion.

 

Update 5: SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS AND RESOURCE USAGE

Vista uses a lot of memory, but it uses it for a good reason. Vista doesn't even have loading times when you're using Explorer, Internet Explorer or any other primary Windows component. The big amount of memory thats being used isn't just for the textures but it contains every important file thats needed by Explorer when running a primary Windows application. When you start a game, the Vista graphics interface immediately unloads everything out of the memory that isn't needed by your 'game hardware' (video, sound and physics card) such as the 3D Windows Desktop. Users are able to change the way Vista reacts when they boot up a game or 3D application. WGF is fully customizable to your own needs. For example, you can keep the Windows Desktop loaded and play a game at the same time, or if you have a fast system run both in split screen. To do all this fast loading and unloading you need to have fast memory and ofcourse a fast harddisk. But here's the problem. The harddisks we use today are far too slow (12000 RPM is not fast enough) and will be a huge bottleneck when loading huge amounts of files into the memory. That's why Microsoft and Samsung are working on a new Hybrid hard drive that will use 1 GB flash memory as a buffer. They want to take part of the load of the spinning drive and to lower loading times and boot times drastically. Vista will fully support this technology. Microsoft and Samsung are still working on a way to unload files very fast from the harddisks flash memory. Next year Microsoft will start a huge marketing campaign for new hardware they are developing and they will give an update on the development of the Hybrid harddisk. When using a Hybrid harddisk in a mid-range computer of today (2 GHz, 1 GB RAM) you will have boot-times of about 5-10 seconds. Imagine how fast a high-end PC in late 2006 will be.

 

Update 6: ICONS

In Vista icons will be completely changed. Documents don't have a icon anymore that shows the file-type, but it shows the first page of the document. Folder-icons will show you the inside files by using 3D technology. You'll see the files coming forward in a slideshow while you're watching the folder.

 

Update 7: STABILITY

Vista will be the most stable OS ever. Microsoft admitted that it had problems with stability with Windows ME and XP (without SP), but they really are making work of making Vista unbelievably stable. Microsoft even has made three special teams that researched Vista and future technologies for two years. After Vista is released, Microsoft doesn't even have to release any updates to make Vista stable, because Vista manages itself automatically and disables processes that can make your computer unstable and are unneeded by the applications you're running.

 

Update 8: SECURITY

Vista will have a better internet security. Instead of using very advanced ways to protect your computer, they're using somewhat primitive ways to keep users away from your harddisk. For example, Vista is able to completely halt every type of data transfer from your computer to any hardware component and is able to pause your internet connection when there is happening something suspicious. Microsoft is developing software together with Symantec (Norton Antivirus) to detect virusses the moment they reach your harddisk. Vista will be able to quarantine certain parts of the harddisk and make sure a virus gets automatically removed (using Norton Antivirus).

 

Update 9: HARDWARE FOR VISTA

Some hardware will be specially made for Vista. Before Vista will be released in 2006, Microsoft will start the biggest marketing campaign ever, not just for the most advanced piece of software ever developed by more than 80,000 people (not only Microsoft), but also for the hardware that will be developed especially for Vista. As you've read before, there will be special harddrives, but there will also be special videocards that will have to work constantly at 100%, extra fast memory and new dual-core processors to support the new multi-application technology Vista uses. For Vista Hyperthreading is a old technology. Vista will take full advantage of it, but compared to the new technologies of the processors that are being developed it doesn't really help at all. There also will be newer soundcards to support the high sound quality that is possible when Vista is released. All hardware manufacturers are doing their best to get their new hardware finished before Vista is released. Microsoft promised that the prices won't go trough the roof.

 

Update 10: MULTIPLE INTERNET CONNECTIONS

Vista supports a new technology that has been developed. With this technology you're able to use multiple internet connections (max 4) at the same time. For example: You have an DSL internet connection with a download speed of 100Kb/sec and a cable inter net connection of 80 Kb/sec. And you're downloading a file from a different user who has an upload speed of 140 Kb/sec. When you're using those two internet connections, the DSL connection starts to download 100KB/sec and the left 40 Kb/sec gets downloaded by the cable connection. This means you'll always be downloading at top speed, as long as you can afford multiple internet connections. Because of this you're able to play up to four different games at the same time online with just one internet connection.

 

Update 11: COPY PROTECTION

Microsoft has teamed up with Disney and a lot of music labels to improve copy protection for movies, music and software using digital rights management functionality in Vista. Microsoft said they will use heavy copy protection schemes, so users won't be able to copy digital media. This may scare of a lot of consumers, but Microsoft doesn't worry about that, because eventually everyone will go Vista (their words). This means no Warez anymore.

 

Update 12: VISTA AND THE XBOX 360

Microsoft has announced that the Xbox 360 controller will work on Windows Vista too. They did this because they want the game mode of Vista to be an upgraded version of the Xbox 360. The Xbox 360 and Vista both will use a new technology that makes games run at the fastest speed possible. Because Microsoft is the 'leader' of the Xbox and Windows, they made it possible to connect your Xbox to your PC and download special content and updates for your games, without having to subscribe anything. The Xbox 360 uses the new multiple internet connections technology seen in Update 10. Downloading files can take some time, but thats not a problem anymore, because now you can play a game offline or online and download certain files at the same time! This is one of the advantages over the PlayStation 3 and the Nintendo Revolution. The XBox 360 has a lot more advantages, but the reason for all of that is the company thats behind the Xbox, Microsoft, the most powerful software company in the world. They made sure Sony and Nintendo couldn't make use of these new Windows technologies. So if you want compatibility between your console and your PC you'll have to buy a Xbox 360. It looks like Microsoft again has found a way to eliminate the competition.

 

Update 13: GAME ENGINE, API AND VIDEOCARD ARCHITECTURE

As you've read before, Vista will use its own API to handle 2D and 3D graphics. Microsoft knows that this will cause a lot of compatibility problems and thats why they are talking to the videocard manufacturers. The new videocards ofcourse need to support the new graphics system and the manufacturers have to adjust their videocards' architecture so it will take full advantage of Vista. Because of this the support for OpenGL won't be as good anymore, because all the new videocards will be specialized in WGF graphics. Because of the new WGF technology, game engines need to be adapted to Vista as well. This means, that engines that will be used in the near future, like the Doom 3, Source and Unreal 3 Engine, will have to be fully compatible with WGF and the new videocard architecture.

 

Update 14: VISTA AND G70 VIDEOCARDS

The 7800 GTX and all other upcoming G70 videocards support the Vista 3D Desktop Engine. The G70 videocards also are fully optimized for WGF 1.0 and LDDM. Because the G70 cards support LDDM, VISTA will take control of the videocard's BIOS and driver. This means that Vista will automatically be able to change settings for optimal gaming performance. The LDDM feature is a part of WinSat (Update 15). The G70 videocards don't support WGF 2.0, but this technology won't be used in the near future. With a G70 videocard you don't have to worry about using Vista, because you'll only get advantages.

 

Update 15: OPTIMIZATIONS

As you've read before, Vista will have a game mode which will bring gaming on the PC to new levels. Gaming will be the same as on a gameconsole. No bugs, crashes, slow loading times or stutters anymore. This is possible because Vista will use a lot of new technologies that have been under development for years. WinSat (Windows System Assessment Tool) is one of those technologies. WinSat is a sort of benchmarking tool which analyzes your system's hardware and generates a score for every critical component in your computer. It gives your processor, memory, videocard and harddisk a score and with those scores Vista will find a balance between the different components and will make sure that no piece of hardware is a bottleneck. This means that if your videocard is too fast for the CPU, the left over power of the videocard (which is being bottlenecked) will be used for background services. You can choose between two optimization modes; general office applications and games. Vista has another useful feature which hasn't been named yet. When you boot up your computer this feature will detect if there is a hardware change. If there is a change it will rebuild the hardware configuration. With this feature it will be possible to replace a motherboard without any driver issues."

 

 

Other features include:

+Better Admin feature similar to that of Linux(Asks for Admin password)

+Much Better Firewall

+Instant Indexed Search in Start Menu

+Redesigned Start Menu

+IE7 is limited to just enough power to go on the web(You can modify). For any program to install something or run something you need to type in the master password(Similar to linux), RSS feeds, up to Security Standards, Basically Firefox.

+Windows Sidebar You can put mini-gadgets on it such as various games, appliactions with support, windows media player(winamp and players will then give support most likely), msn messenger, weather information, news updates, traffic maps, Internet radio streams, and slide shows of online photo albums, and anything else people feel like adding onto it, works extremely well with widescreen monitors

+SuperFetch technology that while your using a program it will put off other programs that arn't needed out of memory, it keeps track of what programs you use the most, goes so far to keep track of it based on specific days, puts the programs you use the most infront of background tasks.

+External Memory Devices(Plug in that USB Device and more ram!)

+Takes advantage of new Hybrid Hard Drives

+Far Improved System Restore, much better System Backup, Volume Shadow Copies(incase you accidently delete something)

+More Seamless Network technology, Network Map, Wireless WPA2 support.

+Built in Speach Recognition, can go so far as to opening an application, finding a word, correcting a sentence

+Much better Remote Assistance.

+Better Auto-Updater, can Auto-Update even non important updates, when a program is in use that it's updating it can save applications data, close, update, restart application, scheduling and postponing updates

+Sync Center to manage all Syncing

+Ability to find and fix errors by itself

+Can tell you what programs are hogging system resources like virutal memory

++Vista is also built with Inter-Dependent Modules, Vista can be much more easily customized by 3rd party applications

+Better API's for Developers(Programs are less likely to crash), I\O Cancellation Support in Vista, Vista Restart Manager

+Much better Command Line Interface

+More load off of the CPU than XP, taking use of the graphics card. Wont affect games as well it wont be rendering all the background things while your playing games..

+WinFX which was a project since Windows 95 I believe. It has been in works for that long. Will also be released for XP, wont ship with Vista. Will be an update for Vista and Xp for free.

those are some of the features for Vista.

+Improved .net

 

 

Graphic Card:

"For all the top level transparency and all the special effects your going to need:

Windows Vista Display Driver Model-based driver required for Aero Glass experience

The Aero Glass experience will not run with earlier display drivers.

Minimum: 64 MB graphics memory (Required for Aero Glass experience)

Recommended: 128 MB or greater

Minimum: 32 bits per pixel (bpp) color

Support advanced 3D hardware acceleration with capabilities equal to DirectX 9

Required: AGP 8x or PCI Express 16-lane bus for Graphics Hardware

 

For a Minimum level of hardware acceleration:

Minimum: Windows XP Driver Model-based driver

Recommended: Windows Vista Display Driver Model-based driver

Graphics hardware will only be used when the appropriate driver is present; otherwise, content will be rendered through software emulation.

 

Minimum: 32 MB graphics memory

Minimum: 32 bits per pixel (bpp) color

Support hardware acceleration capabilities equal to DirectX 9

 

For it to look like Windows 2000 you'll need:

VGA graphics"

 

 

Anyway if you feel the need to add to this least please do so. Just for all the people that think they have taken Xp and gave it a new shell for the past 5 years(I know thats by far the minority of you) that Vista is based on different code than Xp and is based around security.

 

About viruses, give the majority of people Mac's they will have the most problems and viruses, give the majority Linux they'll have the most problems and viruses. Whatever is the most used will always have the most problems, viruses, compatibility issues, spyware, adware, worst company, most monpolized company, and etc..

 

Anyway if I had an intel processor I'd probably look into OS X86 but im all with AMD.

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When you start a game, the Vista graphics interface immediately unloads everything out of the memory that isn't needed by your 'game hardware' (video, sound and physics card) such as the 3D Windows Desktop.

 

doh...this method of running a game will put the clamps on alt-ing out of a game to do another task (like start up your mic application you forgot).

 

This means no Warez anymore.

 

...right... :idea:

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Welcome to the forum, Minerel!

 

Thanks for your list of features. I'll have to say, I think Vista is going to be a big step forward for MS and will likely close the gap between OS X and Windows. I'm sure Apple will jump ahead with Leopard, but I'm excited to see if Vista is as improved as I hope!

 

If it's not, I think it'll be the beginning of the end for MS.

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VISTA ???

 

Personally this is a terrible disappointment as I was counting on 13 versions at least...

 

My expectations aside, I am entirely sure that the media player-less "N" variant of windows will be like the current possibility to "uninstall" internet explorer in winXP... For those that forgot;

 

Go to Add/Remove programs in the control panel -> select Add/Remove windows components on the left pane -> (WinXP will give a little popup telling you to wait cause its in shock you want to do this) -> in the "windows component wizard" window that appear you can tick the little "v" from a box near a selection call "internet explorer" that miraculously takes 0mb after you tick that box empty and click next to finish the process...you can notice that internet explorer is NOT on your desktop...but if you run windoes update all of a suddon (no "e") you still have internet explorer! and you can type URLs into windows explorer to "turn" it into intenret explorer...WOW! what a useful "feature"! you get internet explorer even if you don't want it!

 

So naturally version "N" will be Windows Vista, Nonsense edition, this will allow you to not have media player shoved down your throat unless you want to view movies that use a format that is microsoft only.

 

There was mention of two versions of "N" so obviously the second version of the Nonsense edition includes or rather lacks, MSN, chkdsk, calculator, note/wordpad, windows explorer or in fact nothing other than the kernel...so everyone can enjoy the lack of monopolistic powers in the form of getting LESS for MORE as they will have to purchase all these utilities, programs and such...

 

Isn't it time the world wakes up and just let the user decide what he/she/it wants? what if I want media player? now I'll be charged more for it cause it is not included in some versions!

 

(Oh well...there is still BS player, Media player classic, VLC, Quicktime and Real player...to name a few...)

 

But seriously now, Microsoft is pulling a sky network "maneuver" by taking its 1 version of Vista and making it into 8...meaning 1 is the "ultimate" version and the rest contain LESS...

 

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? microsoft is selling you "organic" windows...because of this word "organic" you will pay more for the laterst "organic" distro of windows...how ironic is that? "Now hear this, freshly coded vista disro 'Nonsense edition' get it while it's still in anti-trust procedures!"

 

P.S.

 

As usual, feel free to edit change revise etc...and if you feel compelled by a misunderstood force to name tag me, call me Someone Special. (I drool)

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...right...

Yeah I to doubt Vista will come anywhere near to kill off warez.

 

doh...this method of running a game will put the clamps on alt-ing out of a game to do another task (like start up your mic application you forgot).

Well not necessarily:

If you use a Hybrid Hard Drive it will be able to immediately load up Windows Necssary Files. You can also customize WGF completely to meet your needs.

 

Welcome to the forum, Minerel!

Thanks!

 

My expectations aside, I am entirely sure that the media player-less "N" variant of windows will be like the current possibility to "uninstall" internet explorer in winXP... For those that forgot;

 

Go to Add/Remove programs in the control panel -> select Add/Remove windows components on the left pane -> (WinXP will give a little popup telling you to wait cause its in shock you want to do this) -> in the "windows component wizard" window that appear you can tick the little "v" from a box near a selection call "internet explorer" that miraculously takes 0mb after you tick that box empty and click next to finish the process...you can notice that internet explorer is NOT on your desktop...but if you run windoes update all of a suddon (no "e") you still have internet explorer! and you can type URLs into windows explorer to "turn" it into intenret explorer...WOW! what a useful "feature"! you get internet explorer even if you don't want it!

Very Wrong. Europe has basically taken Microsoft {censored} slapped them and said make a Media-Player Less version or don't sell your damn software here.

There are also Reports that Windows Media Player will be very easy to uninstall(Yes actually uninstall)

 

But seriously now, Microsoft is pulling a sky network "maneuver" by taking its 1 version of Vista and making it into 8...meaning 1 is the "ultimate" version and the rest contain LESS...

Read:

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_editions.asp

 

 

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? microsoft is selling you "organic" windows...because of this word "organic" you will pay more for the laterst "organic" distro of windows...how ironic is that? "Now hear this, freshly coded vista disro 'Nonsense edition' get it while it's still in anti-trust procedures!"

Or it's like:

Hey hears some chocolate. We have sizes small to big. Though this chocolate contains peanuts, you can remove them yourself or try some of our peanut-less chocolate.

 

In other words Vista is the chocolate, plenty of sizes to choose from so you only get what you want. Though since Vista contains peanuts(Windows Media Player for Instance), you can either remove it yourself or try some of the peanut-less(N Version) chocolate. I hope that makes sense...

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It doesn't take much to make me happy. I just wanted font smoothing to be mandated and more advanced than it is in XP. That's why I love OS X. People... the smoothness is the key... and yeah, if they could get something like QE and CI, that'd be pretty sweet.

 

Microsoft is promising a lot. I'd be happy if they can do half of what they promise (especially if the warez-killing part is among the half that isn't fulfilled.)

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no more warez? no, thyere reasion was so that vista people who have hidef out would be able to play hidef movies in full res, instead of the scaled down versions... and besides, im sure some one will crack it, plus thats only for hddvds so u can still rip {censored}, just not hddvd and bluray....

 

 

 

common misconseption

 

 

max

 

 

ps im stickin with server 2003 until maybe longhorn server (if its better than vista, like server 2003 is better than xp)

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They have the most widely used [and therefore, the most widely hacked IMO] operating system in the world. Security will probably continue to be an ongoing struggle with no possibility of a real victory [or total "defeat" hopefully ^^].

 

Of course, Apple could always be working on a "Pluto's Kiss" so that at the end of the decade, we'll all be using Altimit.Mac.OS.XI :whistle:.

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>> applications can be bigger than graphic card memory currently allows (advanced VRAM simulation)

 

virtual/shared memory? not a new thing.... anyway... if there isn't memory anymore you're always go out of memory! so that's wrong

 

>> Vista supports up to 160 open windows at the same time

 

AHAHAAHAH will see...

 

>> there are four different graphic modes for Vista (2GB/256MB/128MB/64MB textures)

 

a strange statement.... uhmm even 64 mb is too much for a single texture

 

>> Update 5: SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS AND RESOURCE USAGE....

 

ok... 30 gb of swap should be enough then :)

 

>> Microsoft is developing software together with Symantec (Norton Antivirus) to detect virusses......

 

ok... here's where vista takes all its speed -_-

 

and then.. ladies and gentlemen... a feature backported straight from HAL3000...

>> Ability to find and fix errors by itself

 

 

... now.... i'm slighly open about MS vista... i feel that the new accelerated desktop will be a huge leap forward for microsoft....

 

but hey... do not trust every thing you read at microsoft's or from microsoft entusiasts.... just marvelous words for clueless users

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+Better Auto-Updater, can Auto-Update even non important updates, when a program is in use that it's updating it can save applications data, close, update, restart application, scheduling and postponing updates
Yeah, so nice... Every other operating system in the world can do it without restarting...

 

The harddisks we use today are far too slow (12000 RPM is not fast enough)
!!! Yes, now I understand how are they able to backport HAL9000 features to Vista. HAL9000 Advanced Artifficial Intelligence control needs to sustain a >500MiB/s data stream from the hard drives: my workstation operating system needs a more demaning hard drive that most current servers.

Maybe they just missed texture compression lesson.

 

+External Memory Devices(Plug in that USB Device and more ram!)
That's fine until you notice that USB Flash Devices have a limited data write cycle: Yes, Vista is really destroying your USB Flash Device, shorting its expected life time at very fast rates.

 

After Vista is released, Microsoft doesn't even have to release any updates to make Vista stable, because Vista manages itself automatically and disables processes that can make your computer unstable and are unneeded by the applications you're running.
Why they just DISABLE FOREVER services you don't need? Ubuntu does that, OS X does that. I don't need Distributed COM, nor networked RPC. Please UNINSTALL them.

 

There also will be newer soundcards to support the high sound quality that is possible when Vista is released.
Ha-ha. Expect a more layered driver on top of DirectAudio that will use a decent Bicubic filter instead of Windows XP' sucking one. Expect a lot more latency, too.

 

Microsoft is really overhyping Vista, you'll be deceived if you trust them.

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