Guest goodtime Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 (edited) http://www.news24.com/News24/Technology/Ne...2055578,00.html Apple sues 'iPhone' hacker 16/01/2007 07:14 - (SA) San Francisco - Lawyers for Apple Inc have sued a hacker who copied the screen icons from the company's new iPhone and created a programme that installs them on other phones, according to news reports on Monday. According to technology news site ZDNet, the programme, quickly dubbed iPhony, was created by Paul O'Brien, founder of MoDaCo, who posted an iPhone skin for Windows Mobile-based phones and promptly received a cease and desist letter from Apple. Apple also sued bloggers who posted to the site, the report said. The legal action is the second lawsuit to surface since Apple CEO Steve Jobs unveiled the phone last Tuesday. Networking giant Cisco sued Apple claiming that it owned the rights to the iPhone name. - Sapa-dpa Edited January 16, 2007 by goodtime Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbz Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Lol good for Apple! Why, even it it's most basic form, should the iPhone interface be reproduced when Apple has spent so much time and effort and money on it? And haven't they got over 200 patents for it? I guess this shows how serious Apple is over their product. As it should be. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-277453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandmanfvrga Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Urby3 is right. Enough of companies trying to take Apple for a ride. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-277456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simania_NL Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Come on guys, you can't be serious. We're are talking ICONS, you know those little things which make the user know what kind of action they can expect after it's pressed. It's not a copy of their OS.....Microsoft never ever sued anybody for copying their icons on a Symbian phone and why should they? If the icons are the only difference to buy a iPhone instead of a Microsoft Smartphone, who in that case would buy a phone for $ 499, with only nice shiny icons. Apple is acting really childish in my opinion and should see it as a compliment that somebody is trying to 'imitate' an iPhone. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-277468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromas Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 That's Apple/Steve Jobs for you -- amazing products, amazingly childish. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-277610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandmanfvrga Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 (edited) If you used the IE icon Microsoft would sue and they have a right to. Custom made OS X icons or any icons for OS/Software are copyrighted and can't be reproduced with permission. Not childish, but protecting something that isn't even released. Enough Apple bashing, people are stealing custom made icons that are for the iPhone (or whatever it will be called) and why not protect you stuff? If it was Cisco or Microsoft, it would be ok right? Edited January 17, 2007 by sandmanfvrga Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-277717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 It begs the question: if Apple can sue for such a minor infringement, how comes that we are left well alone here? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-278226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlyboy Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 For the prices apple charge they deserve to be took for a ride there should be a {censored}in law against what they charge for standard pc parts in there boxes and the price of iphone thats just a joke Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-278255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgrimes80 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 For the prices apple charge they deserve to be took for a ride there should be a {censored}in law against what they charge for standard pc parts in there boxes and the price of iphone thats just a joke Setting aside Apple's "aggressive" pricing patterns... If Apple used "standard" pc parts, then why can't I build a legitimate Mac with any combination of PC parts? Fact of the matter is this is simply not the case. The Mini, iMac, Macbook, MBP are all "custom" to an extent in terms of Apple's design/engineering. Each rev. requires a new/altered design which in turn increase development cost... None the less, I think your argument lacks weight due to the fact pricing comparisons for comparable configurations are very competitive with even the likes of Dell... In regards to the iPhone, you have to remember that this is A. basicall a high-end handheld w. a phone (e.g. smartphone) B. caters to a specific market, not the general public C. is Apple's first one D. supersedes anything of it's kind - I seem to think it's well priced, however, I expect cost to come down as time elapses. ON TOPIC - I support Apple Inc.'s attempt to exercise its rights to protect intellectual property by secular means... In this day and age, it's becoming increasingly difficult to protect intellectual property due to things like the internet, electronic CADD files, competition etc. Even my patents have/are being infringed... it's appalling what people think they can do. The way I see it: Two little kids sitting in a room and are given ONE explicit rule which is to not touch the big red button on the wall. One kids presses it once, nothing happens. After awhile, he decides to press it again, then again. After about a couple dozen more times, still nothing happens. The other kid, now kind of intrigued, decides it's safe to give it a try. He pushes it just once and the button breaks. Who's responsible? I say both, niether followed the rules meaning they both should be punished. We're not talking brain sugery here, this guy blatantly copied property... which is against the law. I'll even be happy to put money on it that this guy was contacted by Apple's legal staff prior to the suit... I think he dug his own grave. I'm not saying I've never infringed patent/copywrite laws, but I wasn't the one dumb enough to put proof on the internet nor did I try to mass distribute such work with my name attached to it. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-278385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
borisbadenov Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 (edited) It begs the question: if Apple can sue for such a minor infringement, how comes that we are left well alone here? SSShhhhhhhhH! Please don't give out ideas Edited January 18, 2007 by borisbadenov Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-278404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
borisbadenov Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 For the prices apple charge they deserve to be took for a ride there should be a {censored}in law against what they charge for standard pc parts in there boxes and the price of iphone thats just a joke Does Apple overcharge? Yes. Could they be more in line for standard PC parts? Again, yes. But Apple does have a product that people like and want. If it was so outrageously overpriced, then no one would by the product and they would either lower the price or go out of business. They found their little nitch. To all those who say, screw Apple/Mircosoft, etc, I say, go ahead and build the better product yourself and if cost is an issue, offer it free. True, The price of the iPhone is WAY overpriced. It was a concideration til I saw it is closed and way too much money Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-278408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlyboy Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Setting aside Apple's "aggressive" pricing patterns... If Apple used "standard" pc parts, then why can't I build a legitimate Mac with any combination of PC parts? Fact of the matter is this is simply not the case. The Mini, iMac, Macbook, MBP are all "custom" to an extent in terms of Apple's design/engineering. Each rev. requires a new/altered design which in turn increase development cost... None the less, I think your argument lacks weight due to the fact pricing comparisons for comparable configurations are very competitive with even the likes of Dell... In regards to the iPhone, you have to remember that this is A. basicall a high-end handheld w. a phone (e.g. smartphone) B. caters to a specific market, not the general public C. is Apple's first one D. supersedes anything of it's kind - I seem to think it's well priced, however, I expect cost to come down as time elapses. ON TOPIC - I support Apple Inc.'s attempt to exercise its rights to protect intellectual property by secular means... In this day and age, it's becoming increasingly difficult to protect intellectual property due to things like the internet, electronic CADD files, competition etc. Even my patents have/are being infringed... it's appalling what people think they can do. The way I see it: Two little kids sitting in a room and are given ONE explicit rule which is to not touch the big red button on the wall. One kids presses it once, nothing happens. After awhile, he decides to press it again, then again. After about a couple dozen more times, still nothing happens. The other kid, now kind of intrigued, decides it's safe to give it a try. He pushes it just once and the button breaks. Who's responsible? I say both, niether followed the rules meaning they both should be punished. We're not talking brain sugery here, this guy blatantly copied property... which is against the law. I'll even be happy to put money on it that this guy was contacted by Apple's legal staff prior to the suit... I think he dug his own grave. I'm not saying I've never infringed patent/copywrite laws, but I wasn't the one dumb enough to put proof on the internet nor did I try to mass distribute such work with my name attached to it. Truth of the matter is most on these forums are running osx 10 with standard pc parts what actually stops us from running os 10 legit isnt hardware its just plain and simple software, But yes i suppose i might have been a bit wrong about the pricing of apple machines they are expensive but ppl do buy them i suppose Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-278416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgrimes80 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Truth of the matter is most on these forums are running osx 10 with standard pc parts what actually stops us from running os 10 legit isnt hardware its just plain and simple software, But yes i suppose i might have been a bit wrong about the pricing of apple machines they are expensive but ppl do buy them i suppose I challenge you to make the equivilent of a mac mini (bearing in mind that you garner 3-4% market share) and sell or even be wililng to able it for less profitably. Don't forget there's time invested in figuring this out, resources used to make it, manufacturing, distribution, support etc... Oh, and have a better one in six months or so. Apple isn't going to a store and simply putting it together. Heck, even the Mac Pro isn't some simple assembly. Whether it's custom interfaces (airport for example) or a case, it's not quite that simple. As an engineer, I like how people say, "All they have to do is..." because it's usually very narrow-minded I understand your desires (using a home-brew PC), but Apple isn't even in this market. The most common upgrades are permitted (RAM & HD), but those are the only upgrades even Apple provides. It's important to note, Apple does not make it's money selling an OS. It's arguably a potentially large market, but truth of the matter, Apple makes money on the hardware it develops... and AppleCare...lol To allow people to use any computer part(s) or "standard PC parts" would simply shoot themselves in the foot. Their grip hardware keeps their OS in-line, and their OS (or it's desirability) keeps their hardware sales in line. It's an on-going cycle and accounts for a large portion of Apple's stability. To suggest Apple should break from this, IMO, would seem to be a very poor choice. I'm not suggesting that I can't go buy RAM for my MBP or PowerMacs @ 1/3rd the price Apple would charge. Personally, I see little changes like these are more like disruptions that interfere with mass production techniques. Ever wonder why choices are typically limited? (High, Medium, and Low) Half of me thinks they really don't want to sell me RAM. But if they are, they'll make sure I pay for them to have someone stop and upgrade it rather than hinder their margins. + Having it installed is usually overlooked in terms of pricing... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-278427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metrogirl Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 It begs the question: if Apple can sue for such a minor infringement, how comes that we are left well alone here? Those of you who have been around here for a while will know that we haven't always had an easy ride ... in early 2006, as the former OSX86Project, we were subject to a threatened takedown order ourselves and we had to purge the site of many links and references to code. Another site with similar objectives was hit with the same legal stuff and they didn't survive. We remain up and running today because we are a responsible team - the staff and admins here maintain a careful balance and we have quite strict rules, if you care to read them. We can talk about technological aspects of OSX and other proprietary systems, discuss hacking and modifications, but we cannot and do not support copyright infringement or theft, nor can we allow direct links to suspect tools or code. So in a nutshell, under our bright-and-breezy free-for-all atmosphere we have people working hard to make sure we are just about on the right side of Apple, Microsoft and the other big guys who can afford big lawyers (we can't). Like the other staff, I've spent all night on occasion cleaning posts and checking the forum for suspect links, and it's not fun. But we do it for you guys! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-278998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe75 Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 But we do it for you guys! Thank You, everyone Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-279030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbz Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 Come on guys, you can't be serious. We're are talking ICONS, you know those little things which make the user know what kind of action they can expect after it's pressed. It's not a copy of their OS.....Microsoft never ever sued anybody for copying their icons on a Symbian phone and why should they? If the icons are the only difference to buy a iPhone instead of a Microsoft Smartphone, who in that case would buy a phone for $ 499, with only nice shiny icons.Apple is acting really childish in my opinion and should see it as a compliment that somebody is trying to 'imitate' an iPhone. If they start with the icons, they progres to full-on menus, next thing you know the ui is finished. See where this goes? That's Apple/Steve Jobs for you -- amazing products, amazingly childish. I cannot see how this is childish: imagine that you are an artist. You create a painting, a masterpiece, a Mona Lisa. All you do is display it for a few hours in improper light to give people the idea of how great it will be (let's assume it isn't finished yet). Next thing you know, someone has taken what you've done so far and digitally added on what they think the rest would look like, and they made a big a splash because of it. They even recreated the part on display perfectly! And they didn't even touch your masterpiece! Not a fingerprint! They only saw part of it. What would you do if you had the painting trademarked/patented (in some other world!)? I'm not sure about you, but I would enforce the patent to make sure the "stolen" artistic property stops being violated; I'd sue. If you wouldn't, replace the painting with something you love immensely. You get the picture. (no pun intended!) -Urby PS I'd just like to add that anyone who thinks Apple wouldn't go after this guy (and they won't go to court: it will be settled out of court without a monetary exchange) is mistakenly taking Apple for a weak pushover. Gone are the day of a small company who couldn't protect itself (mid-90s). This is a powerful Apple, ready to battle the tough business world and defend itself againt what it owns. A great Apple, with the same values it has always had. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-279714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mebster Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 OMG. Tell me this is a joke. Do Apple have nothing better to do? Don't they have a more concerning lawsuit to deal with? All this for making a copied skin. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-279717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
myzar Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 (edited) Apple makes money on the hardware it develops... that's priceless thx for this good laugh it's even funnier than apple suing for bitmap images Edited January 19, 2007 by myzar Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-279720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgrimes80 Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 that's priceless thx for this good laugh it's even funnier than apple suing for bitmap images Care to make a point to the contrary? Insults by themselves generally don't carry much weight... Where are they purchasing existing hardware??? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-279797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlyboy Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 Dont want any misunderstandings with anyone because im new to all this apple malarky, I hear all the time the phrase " apple hardware " so just to put me in the bigger picture could one off the apple techies here tell me what hardware components is it that apple actually manufacture thanks Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-279815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
domino Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 It's obvious that some people need to research a bit on outsourcing. Yes, you know, the places where they pay people to make and assemble products for USD$5 a day on average, nd doesn't include overtime. I suppose you think more than 50% of parts for your Fords and Chevys are made in Detroit? I can think of 3 foreign counties right now that assemble "Made in the USA" cars and ship them straight back to the mainland to be sold. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-279880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mebster Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 I can think of 3 foreign counties right now that assemble "Made in the USA" cars and ship them straight back to the mainland to be sold. Is there the slightest chance that, lets say ..... China might be one of those 3? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-279901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
myzar Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 Care to make a point to the contrary? Insults by themselves generally don't carry much weight... Where are they purchasing existing hardware??? I've no idea about the iphone but the macpro & macbook are made 100% from standard pc parts , now let's reverse the question care to point me at a single part MADE not branded by apple ? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-280283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
np_ Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 I've no idea about the iphone but the macpro & macbook are made 100% from standard pc parts , now let's reverse the question care to point me at a single part MADE not branded by apple ? there is no hardware made by apple, any chip or cable or board they use are made next door to let's say "asus" , i can bet even stickers with apple logo is not made by them apple exist just like name - nothing else that for they have tons of patents and rights to them "names" only Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-280377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgrimes80 Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 (edited) there is no hardware made by apple, any chip or cable or board they use are made next door to let's say "asus" , i can bet even stickers with apple logo is not made by them apple exist just like name - nothing else that for they have tons of patents and rights to them "names" only It's one thing to manufacture/produce them, it's another to develop and engineer... I might develop an assembly and have say a local shop (Bear Machining) build it. Fortunately for me, that doesn't mean it's their product and not mine. Specifications don't come out of the blue. Inspections rooms aren't make believe. Neither mine nor Apple's TE/DEs are going to the store and putting products together.... Their aluminum casing? I've yet to see one before theirs... The Airport Card/Interface? Never heard of it before Apple's announcement... A motherboard with with these two products incorporated... I can keep going... What other computer has the "standard PC part" keyboard found in Apple's MB/MBP's? What branded liquid CPU cooler is Apple using? This previous quarter, Apple generated 7 billion dollars in gross revenue and made a phemonenal 1 billion (~14% margins abroad) which would probably make it the most successful & profitable "standard PC parts" distributor in the world. By comparison, Dell generated ~14 billion and made ~650million which teeter roughy 5% margins.... BTW: Patents have nothing to do with names (minus Trademarks)... CIPA (CPA for UK) is in place to manage intellectual property whether it's desgin, an application, or processes not art, or writing etc (that'd be a copyright): A patent for an invention is the grant of a property right to the inventor, issued by the Patent and Trademark Office. The term of a new patent is 20 years from the date on which the application for the patent was filed in the United States or, in special cases, from the date an earlier related application was filed, subject to the payment of maintenance fees. US patent grants are effective only within the US, US territories, and US possessions. The right conferred by the patent grant is, in the language of the statute and of the grant itself, "the right to exclude others from making, using, offering for sale, or selling" the invention in the United States or "importing" the invention into the United States. What is granted is not the right to make, use, offer for sale, sell or import, but the right to exclude others from making, using, offering for sale, selling or importing the invention. (Excerpted from General Information Concerning Patents, U.S. Patent and Trademark Office website) Apple has over 200 patents on the iPhone from what I hear, but even if they had only 1. The name "iPhone" is already trademarked by Cisco/Linksys which would contradict your claim that Apple is all about names. What's been patented? Edited January 20, 2007 by jgrimes80 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38935-apple-inc-sues-iphone-hacker-for-iphony/#findComment-280453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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