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15 minutes ago, ameenjuz said:

Next os of microsoft windows 11 is require to enabled Secure boot mode capable and TPM 2.0

Is it possible to dual booting with OpenCore during enabled Secure boot mode and TPM 2.0 in bois

I hope that opencore team will be preparing about windows 11 requirement

I can boot macOS just fine with TPM enabled, both on my M4700 and X1 Extreme. I don't believe that's a blocker at all
I'm not actually sure they need Secureboot enabled? The Health Checker was fine with it being disabled
If it really needs to be enabled though, you could probably sign OpenCore yourself and add the key to your firmware. I believe there is a section about it within the configuration.pdf

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In my case there is no option to enable TPM2.0 in bios.
It can not be upgraded through Windows. which the Microsoft have stated that If it's time to be ready The Windows data that we use regularly will not be lost even a little.
But if it's down via USB that I modified to be able to install windows 11 all that you have said It has nothing to do with Mac OS at all.

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8 hours ago, Hervé said:

TPM required only for installation, not for running.

 

Thanks. At this moment, nobody knows if TPM is necessary for updating Windows 11 through Windows update tool. 

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19 hours ago, naiclub said:

Hi, if you want to set up Windows 11, easy way for you to load ISO on both systems, for example Windows 10 and Windows 11, extract install.wim.
in the sources of windows 10 put it in the sources file As of Windows 11, you will be able to install through the system without being stuck. System check starts with TPM2.0. Windows 11 can be installed from 6-11 generation CPUs. and will have to open tpm 2.0 in this bios only support version with tpm 2.0 My motherboard doesn't support tpm 2.0, but I checked it has a slot to plug in tpm and there's a card for tpm 2.0 for sale as well for my older model.

 

Thanks @naiclub I can't buy a TPM 2.0 card for my Z77 Asus config because Windows supports only 8-11 Intel Core generation according to Microsoft. If I am not mistaken on the list of processors.

Windows 11 Supported Intel Processors

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You must have missed those Win11 installations on 3rd gen Ivy Bridge, 4th gen Haswell or 6th gen Skylake shown on p1...

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8 minutes ago, Matgen84 said:

 

Thanks @naiclub I can't buy a TPM 2.0 card for my Z77 Asus config because Windows supports only 8-11 Intel Core generation according to Microsoft. If I am not mistaken on the list of processors.

Windows 11 Supported Intel Processors

I definitely don't think so. If Microsoft actually did that. This means that deprive customers of many. May not let old customers use it in the first start. but may be enabled for later use i think so

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It seems that Microsoft not only copying Apples software implementations but also their philosophy(planned obsolescence). 

No issues with an i5-6500, with bypassed TPM and secure boot. Will also try it on an Ivy Brige later.

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1 hour ago, naiclub said:

I definitely don't think so. If Microsoft actually did that. This means that deprive customers of many. May not let old customers use it in the first start. but may be enabled for later use i think so

 

I think these requirements for Windows 11 are true unfortunately. Microsoft will continue to support Windows 10 until 2025. I have read that it should release version 21H2 aka "October 2021 Update"

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18 hours ago, Hervé said:

So my conclusions are that, with the current beta/dev version made available (build 21996.1):

  1. Win11 needs TPM On/enabled to install
  2. Win11 does not need TPM On/enabled to boot & run
  3. Win11 does not need TPM v2.0 minimum as stated in several places by several people
  4. Win11 does not need Secure Boot as stated in several places by several people
  5. no impact whatsoever to expect for Hackintosh
  6. macOS is still able and will most likely continue to be able to boot and run whether TPM is on or off

In other words, no worries to have...

Excellent summary!!!

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One strange quirk that maybe unique to my setup, on enabling TPM for the installation (Intels TPP in the BIOS), the installation was faultless through to the Desktop. On reboot I went back into the BIOS and disabled TPM, saved the setting and rebooted to Windows. On reaching the Desktop the installation complained about activation although it is linked to my Microsoft account, no matter how many times I entered the Product Key the message came up about Activation with a change of Hardware note. I figured by disabling TPM after the installation triggered the activation message. To get over the glitch I again done a clean install leaving TPM enabled and the activation was automatic with no more prompts about activating Windows.

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43 minutes ago, HenryV said:

Yep! I duly noted the comment about TPM required only for installation not for running but after going through the proper steps of installation and then disabling TPM in the BIOS and rebooting, Windows complained about a change in Hardware and complained about activation even after inserting the product key which caused me to do another fresh install to get rid of the nag message so not wanting to go through the whole scenario again, I left TPM enabled with no adverse effect at the moment dual booting with Monterey. Maybe at some point I will disable TPM and see what result I get.

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19 hours ago, Matgen84 said:

 

Thanks @naiclub I can't buy a TPM 2.0 card for my Z77 Asus config because Windows supports only 8-11 Intel Core generation according to Microsoft. If I am not mistaken on the list of processors.

Windows 11 Supported Intel Processors

When we are an insider, the CPU requirements don't seem to apply, but they do seem to apply afterwards.

Thank you.

Preparing for Insider Preview Builds of Windows 11

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@eSaF For the moment, bypass TPM 2.0 is sufficient to install and run Windows 11. But nobody knows if the module activated is not necessary, to update Windows 11 in the future.

@MifJpn Windows Insider provides less restrictive requirements (CPU, TPM) for those testing Windows. But this is not the final version.
 

 

Another things that I have seen relates to graphics cards: minimal directx12 and WDDM2 compatibility :cry: So good bye old graphics cards.

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From what I have read and seen about acquiring  a TPM module can be a bit of a mine field in selecting the correct one for your board, i.e the correct version, the amount of pins (even if the pins match it may not be compatible for your particular board, you will need to consult you board's manufacturer's website and the info on that is not readily available or even easy to find). There is an intuitive video on YouTube about the subject covering TPM modules to facilitate Windows 11 installation also how to get around the lack of TPM in the BIOS.

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49 minutes ago, eSaF said:

From what I have read and seen about acquiring  a TPM module can be a bit of a mine field in selecting the correct one for your board, i.e the correct version, the amount of pins (even if the pins match it may not be compatible for your particular board, you will need to consult you board's manufacturer's website and the info on that is not readily available or even easy to find). There is an intuitive video on YouTube about the subject covering TPM modules to facilitate Windows 11 installation also how to get around the lack of TPM in the BIOS.

 

Thanks. :) Windows requires TPM 2.0 module. I can add a TPM card to my old Asus P8Z77-V pro (7 years old): but I don't know if the bios can only handle version 1.2, and if I can found one compatible with my Ivybridge config. :cry:

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Just now, Matgen84 said:

 

Thanks. :) Windows requires TPM 2.0 module. I can add a TPM card to my old Asus P8Z77-V pro (7 years old): but I don't know if the bios can only handle version 1.2, and if I can found one compatible with my Ivybridge config. :cry:

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39 minutes ago, naiclub said:

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2 hours ago, Matgen84 said:

 

Thanks. :) Windows requires TPM 2.0 module. I can add a TPM card to my old Asus P8Z77-V pro (7 years old): but I don't know if the bios can only handle version 1.2, and if I can found one compatible with my Ivybridge config. :cry:

 

Thanks @naiclub The TPM 2.0 card is only supported for Intel platform: 200-series, 100-series, 8-series , 9-series & X99 series or AMD platform: AM4, FM2 series. 

So not compatible for my old Ivybridge Asus P8Z77-V Pro :cry:

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13 minutes ago, Matgen84 said:

 

 

Thanks @naiclub The TPM 2.0 card is only supported for Intel platform: 200-series, 100-series, 8-series , 9-series & X99 series or AMD platform: AM4, FM2 series. 

So not compatible for my old Ivybridge Asus P8Z77-V Pro :cry:

Have you tried to bypass TPM 2.0 by replacing the appraiserres.dll file in the iso? There are several videos about it and it seems to work  https://youtu.be/2zowsTt89kg

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29 minutes ago, antuneddu said:

Have you tried to bypass TPM 2.0 by replacing the appraiserres.dll file in the iso? There are several videos about it and it seems to work  https://youtu.be/2zowsTt89kg

 

Thanks :) I saw several method to bypass TPM 2.0. Windows introduce also DirectX12 and WDDM requirements. Nobody knowns for the moment if the bypass method will prevent windows update from working.

A Microsoft support page states that Windows 10 will be supported until October 14, 2025. So I keep It for my Ivybridge. Also because it is not compatible for Microsoft: minimum requirements Intel 8-11th generation

Only my Z390 will be update to Windows 11. Windows 11 Requires TPM 2.0 (and Secure Boot, rumors). macOS don't support Secure Boot... :cry: 

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33 minutes ago, Matgen84 said:

 

Thanks :) I saw several method to bypass TPM 2.0. Windows introduce also DirectX12 and WDDM requirements. Nobody knowns for the moment if the bypass method will prevent windows update from working.

A Microsoft support page states that Windows 10 will be supported until October 14, 2025. So I keep It for my Ivybridge.

Only my Z390 will be update to Windows 11. Windows 11 Requires TPM 2.0 (and Secure Boot, rumors). macOS don't support Secure Boot... :cry: 

however I installed Windows11 with TPM enabled and secure boot disabled ... no problem 

 

As for the trick to bypassing the TPM and having trouble with updates, surely something else will come up to overcome that too 😁

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Microsoft's literature does not say Win11 requires Secure Boot; that's incorrect. It says it needs a Secure Boot capable host, that's quite different. Again, we're playing with a leaked 1st beta here, so let's not make too categoric statements about a product that's not even been released yet!

 

Yes, the Microsoft literature says Win11 will need TPM2.0 and, yes, Microsoft published a list of "Windows11 Intel Supported Processors" where Core CPUs only include Amber Lake/Coffee Lake & later models. However, I'm highly tempted to say that this is a provisional and very incomplete list of possibly CPU models with which Microsoft ran validation tests; I can hardly imagine that Kaby Lake/Kaby Lake R platforms that still sold in, say, mid-2019, would not be fully natively supported. Skylake was the last architecture on which pre-Win10 versions were officially supported. Who's to say that Skylake or Kaby Lake could not be the turning point at which official support starts this time?

 

So far, we've seen that systems as old as Ivy Bridge and HD4000 graphics and/or with TPM lower than v2.0 were fully able to install and run the dev/beta version without any issue. So let's not drool on paranoia but wait until the hammer falls at Microsoft. Test on your systems if you must and report accordingly, the rest is just pure noise really (Halabaloo would say @eSaF ).

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The first beta is out... build 22000.51

 

You can install it as an update for Win 10 through Windows Insider program or make a search on the web.

 

My preference goes to the UUP (Unified Update Platform)

 

As a side note, I already installed the first leaked pre-release on my Acer TravelMate B3 with an Celeron N4020 that already has TPM 2.0

 

--Edit--

 

I just installed the first beta on VM... created a 40GB virtual disk, the install took ~18GB

 

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