[HowTo] XP + OSX 10.4.4-10.4.8 native dual boot

[dcm]

Ok, I've been working away at this for about a week or so now and can't get it to work.... It does work in VMWare Installs fine and everything without doing anything special, but when i try to install it on my system i get the infamous hdd error.. which is kinda solved by using the rd=disk0s* -v route but only gets slightly further (to a line like this : kernel version: darwin kernel version 8.4.1: Tue Jan 3 18:23:53 PST2006; Rootixnu-792.7.90.obj~1/release_I386) than stops before entering the setup.

 

what am i doing wrong or what suggestions could be made?

 

any help would be greatful

 

Thanks!

 

edit: I'm using Mac OSX 10.4.5, athlon 64 3000, 1.5 gb ram, 80gb ide hdd & 120gb ide hdd, radeon 9600 aiw xt... anything else u need to know?

 

 

When you load up do you go to a command line?, i had a problem with the first iso i downlaoded where it would stop a a command line, instead of a gui.

 

download cpuz and post a screenshot or log of what it says about ur cpu: http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

 

I read that the keyboard you use can affect it..but i'm doubtful, maybe try a usb keyboard ..

 

 

 

 

 

Well, this is my first post here.

 

I am using the "Mac osx86 10.4.4 Install DVD" iso, which I have burned to a DVD. It launches correctly, but when it comes to the Disk Utility, it doesn't see my partitions, just the C: drive @ 128 gig.

 

The other drives are D&E (disc drives) and F (I want to install OSX here) and G (25gig data partition)

 

I created the fat32 logical partition with acronis, committed the changes etc.

 

I can see the partitions in both OS Selector and in My Computer. What should I do?

 

edit: its an ide drive.

 

edit2: amd athlon 64 processor, a gig ram, dvd and dvd +-rw drives, 250 gig ide hdd, audigy sound card, ati radeon 9600 card

 

I think your problem is that Mac OSX doesn't like Extended Partitions(used for creating logical partitions). So since you are installing it after so many other partitions, you are probably installing after an Extended partition. You kind of need to install OSX after the first partition which should be primary. (install OSX after your C: drive, windows).

 

Maybe post a pic of your partitions .

 

 

I found this on a site, which may explain it better :

 

Good:

 

-hda1, primary, boot, ntfs, etc. (windows partition)

 

-hda2, primary, af, etc. OSX!

 

-hda3, extended...

 

-hda4, logical, ntfs, etc.

 

 

bad:

 

-hda1, primary, boot, ntfs, etc. (windows partition)

 

-hda2, extended...

 

-hda3, primary, af, etc. OSX!

 

-hda4, logical, ntfs, etc.

[dilnalomo]

hmmm...nice finding dcm! i have my fat32 logical made after C:/ and it worked every time. and with my experence, it MUST be fat32 logical, otherwise the "could not write partiton map" error shows up

[mikeh]

Is the letter of your installation partition D: then? I'm desparately grasping at any solutions here.

[dilnalomo]

Well, I've been formating, reinstalling, etc, and here's the results.

 

Firstly I want to mention I had 7GB of unallocated space to create another partition, so I chose that to install a second OSX install partition. I used Acronis Disk Director (A.D.D.) and then Acronis OS Selector (AOSS) from their bootable disk.

• I created a Primary Active partition of type FAT32 with A.D.D., and then booted with the OSX install disk; upon an attempt to erase (and format to hfs+) that partition the Disk Utility gave me the dreaded "could not read partition map" error.
  Bummer.
  I retried many times, and the error message was still there. No "hit and miss", only "miss".
  
• Knowing that I had succeeded before on installing osx on an active primary partition, when i had partitioned with diskpart and setting "id=af", I retried but this time in A.D.D., but rather than create a FAT32 partition I right-clicked the partition, chose Advanced->Change Type, and set the type to 0xAF (ShagOS swap).
  
• I then rebooted on the OSX install disk, and now its Disk Utility accepted to erase/format the partition. Yeah!
  
• I completed the install of OSX, checked that it was ok, then rebooted on the Acronis CD and with A.D.D. I put the Windows partition active again.
  
• Upon rebooting on the Acronis CD again, I then installed AOSS, and on rebooting recognized both OSXs, Windows (and my two Linuxes).
  

Side notes:

• Before installing OSX, I made the Windows partition invisible (I like it that way). Made visible again after the install.
  
• In fact, AOSS did recognize both OSXs, but my original one got a HFS+ error. A.D.D. showed me it's partition type had changed to 0xBF. I changed it back to 0xAF, and now both OSXs are accessible to AOSS.
  
• I decided this time to install the Acronis OS Selector in a separate FAT32/non system partition, rather than my Windows2K NTFS one; maybe it won't be buggy this time.
  

So why did the DiskUtility give me a "could not read partition map" error message when trying to erase a FAT32 active primary partition, while it doesn't when some erase a logical FAT32 partition? I don't know. But at least I could reproduce the message. And if I don't know the source of the problem, at least I know a solution:

the importance of setting the type as 0xAF when installing directly on a primary active partition.

It works, and although you have to find the right way to edit the type in A.D.D., it takes less time than a transfer from one partition to another. Also, maybe setting the logical partition to 0xAF also can avoid the occasional error you've been encountering in your guide.

So when we've seen guides telling us to set type to 0xaf, now we know (i think) how it can avoid us trouble.

 

I'll be editing my posts in this thread to reflect these observations.

 

j.vimal on page 14 of this thread sorta gave an answer to why the osx partition has to be a fat32 logical first then convert it to a primary.

 

 

Is the letter of your installation partition D: then? I'm desparately grasping at any solutions here.

 

my windows partition is C:

my osx partition is after C: but it's not D: because it doesnt show in windows.

and i got a data partition after my osx partition, which is D:

 

so in windows it's like this:

C: (windows) | osx (hidden) | D: (data)

[mikeh]

Oh I really have no idea.

 

In Windows (My computer) I can see

 

C: F: G:

 

F: is my 15 gig FAT32 partition (want OS X here)

G: is my 25 gig NTFS partition (empty)

C: is my Windows partition (remainder of 250 gig HDD, NTFS)

 

 

 

In Acronis i see

NTFS C:			   |FAT32  F:   |NTFS G:
Primary Active	   Logical		Logical

Which is correct

 

 

But in the OSX installer, in disc utility on the left I see

 

HSKGFH(random letters)

untitled

 

Mat{censored}sa DVD Rom drive

Apple OS X installer

 

 

So.. im not seeing my partitions in the installer

 

If i click on either of the hdd entires as they stand, i see them as ~180gb free, ATA, i.e. the free space left on c: (after the partitions and applications that have been installed)

[dilnalomo]

i am not sure if this effects anything, but my data partition (D:) after my osx partition is a fat32, not NTFS. so maybe you can convert your G: into fat32 and try install osx on F:?

[mikeh]

I tried completely deleting that partition so it was just the windows and the mac partition, but still no luck.

 

It's infuriating as i can't see any reason for it, bar the fact that my install ISO isn't the same as yours, but if it runs that far you would think it would show up.

[dilnalomo]

if what you said is true, i see no reason why you should fail.

all i can say now, is that your harddriver model is not compatible with your install ISO or the version of osx you have.

[mikeh]

I think it's a Hitachi deskstar. Any recommendations?

[dilnalomo]

umm, i just found out that in the HCLs in wiki, there's no entry for harddrives, does that mean all harddriver models are supported?

 

i dont think so! So why is there no entry for harddrives???

[dcm]

I don't think acronis shows extended partitions, i think partition magic does, or fdisk.

You should get another partition app like partition magic or something and see where your extended partition is.

 

 

ok:

 

 

 

 

this is how my partitions look in both of these apps, notice that the extended is missing in acronis?

[mikeh]

Vista broke my PC. I have now reformatted it and am reinstalling XP. I have left a large chunk unpartitioned, so hopefully it will all go right this time around.

[cbmkgd]

j.vimal on page 14 of this thread sorta gave an answer to why the osx partition

has to be a fat32 logical first then convert it to a primary.

Except that I installed in a primary right away (type 0xaf), and the bootsector

was written (can be seen with Acronis DD's editor). So his explanation, while

interesting, isn't totally correct.

 

Look, I went as far as reinstalling OSX just to test this!

I wanted to make sure that what I said made sense and was right.

And I succeeded again when I used a primary 0xaf partition type.

I did fail when I tried to use a primary fat32 partition (the error message you referred to earlier),

so your method seems to clearly succeed in that case.

 

We each have our own experiences with different methods.

I merely suggest that choosing a primary partition of type 0xAF (before the extended partition)

is enough, and Acronis can take care of osx as easily.

 

 

Btw dcm, Acronis DD shows extended partitions; the legend on the bottom says

the logical partitions are shown in purple.

 

 

Oh, and by the way, you should take a look at this:

Change icons in Acronis OS Selector

[mikeh]

I tried it like cbmkgd said on p14, and it worked. A little harder to get around, but I'm at 2% installed so I'm happy. Will be able to give a full report later but I suspect this is another one to go on the list, along with the iso file.

[dcm]

No there is a difference between logical and extended, look at the pics in my last post, in Partition magic it shows more partitions than the pic of Acronis, that's because Partition magic also shows the extended partition.

Extended != Logical

 

Cool mikeh , i'm guessing it would have worked either way since you reformatted

[mikeh]

The weird thing was, it still showed as being extended, so I decided just to crazy it up and try the other way (as when i made a logical it was still extended). It worked though so I'm damn happy.

 

After two reformats and about 3 days of work it is finally installing.

[dcm]

The weird thing was, it still showed as being extended, so I decided just to crazy it up and try the other way (as when i made a logical it was still extended). It worked though so I'm damn happy.

 

After two reformats and about 3 days of work it is finally installing.

 

 

hehe extended and logical are only related they're not the same , lets leave it at that

[dilnalomo]

forget about partitionmagic, i didn't like it 2 years ago, and i still dont like it abit now. its {censored}. use acronis! acronis is much more polished.

 

and that extended thing in partitionmagic means that your D: drive is extended, it doesn't mean an extra extended partition that arconis didn't show.

 

i dont think "extended" is used in acronis, i think the acronis people doesn't think extended is differ from logical. you make a partition in aconis , it's either a primary or logical.

[Coop]

When you load up do you go to a command line?, i had a problem with the first iso i downlaoded where it would stop a a command line, instead of a gui.

 

download cpuz and post a screenshot or log of what it says about ur cpu: http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

 

I read that the keyboard you use can affect it..but i'm doubtful, maybe try a usb keyboard ..

I think your problem is that Mac OSX doesn't like Extended Partitions(used for creating logical partitions). So since you are installing it after so many other partitions, you are probably installing after an Extended partition. You kind of need to install OSX after the first partition which should be primary. (install OSX after your C: drive, windows).

 

Maybe post a pic of your partitions .

I found this on a site, which may explain it better :

 

Good:

 

-hda1, primary, boot, ntfs, etc. (windows partition)

 

-hda2, primary, af, etc. OSX!

 

-hda3, extended...

 

-hda4, logical, ntfs, etc.

bad:

 

-hda1, primary, boot, ntfs, etc. (windows partition)

 

-hda2, extended...

 

-hda3, primary, af, etc. OSX!

 

-hda4, logical, ntfs, etc.

 

 

well i gotta screenshot for ya.. i'm using a cordless keyboard & mouse (logitech) (mac compatible) the (mx duo keyboard & mouse).. it doesn't allow me to do anything at all at that point no cursor or anything just stuck at that spot. here's my screenshot for you

[cbmkgd]

No there is a difference between logical and extended, look at the pics in my last post, in Partition magic it shows more partitions than the pic of Acronis, that's because Partition magic also shows the extended partition.

Extended != Logical

Acronis DD only show the Logical within the Extended; Extended is implied, as there can't be a Logical without an Extended. When you create a partition with A.DD, it asks you whether it should be Logical or Primary. If Logical, then the Extended is created if it isn't there. So nothing really is missed.

 

PartMagic does show the Extended as a special Primary partition, which isn't bad in itself, I like it that way myself. As long as one understands that it is only the Logical partitions within it that are important data wise.

 

The only thing that could be annoying is if that Extended partition couldn't be reduced within A.DD: but I think that as you remove the outer Logicals, the Extended is reduced accordingly; i.e. that if in your specific case you reduced your Logical by half, say, then A.DD would also reduce the Extended accordingly, and you could add primaries after the Extended; and if you opted to add another Logical, the Extended would thus be increased accordingly. That way Acronis avoids having the user take a further step of sizing the Extended: it takes care of it automatically.

A question of choice.

 

@Coop:

We have the same CPU. So it shouldn't be a problem.

 

I tried it like cbmkgd said on p14, and it worked. A little harder to get around, but I'm at 2% installed so I'm happy.

A little harder? You should check this rather:

http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?sh...c=11339&st=405#

You can set the partition type within AcronisDiskDirector itself.

[Coop]

well that's good to hear ckmbgd... unfortunatley it doesn't help me out much lol.. but i'm gonna keep tryin, i'm very determined to get this runnin now .. i may end up completely formatting and redo my partitions completely from scratch at this rate though

[tripleboot]

When I boot into OSx86 from Acronis OS Selector I get OSx86 option. I boot and it runs the numbers lines for five seconds or so and then a black screen and then it reboots. ? My OSx86 10.4.6 partitian in Acronis Disk Director Suite 10 is listed as 0xAF (ShagOS Swap) and its Primary Active on a secondary HD. What is 0xAB (Apple Booter) option for in advanced options. Could this boot OSx86

[cbmkgd]

My OSx86 10.4.6 partitian in Acronis Disk Director Suite 10 is listed as 0xAF (ShagOS Swap) and its Primary Active on a secondary HD.

According to their promo ( http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/produ...ltibooting.html ):

Boot from an additional hard disk drive. Acronis OS Selector enables you to set the disk order so you can boot from any hard drive you select.

 

So this might help you. Otherwise do a search on this forum about installing OSX on a second hard drive and problems/solutions they offer.

 

 

@Coop:

I assume you didn't install from VMWare with the VMWare to Native method, and you used the procedure in this Native Dual Boot Guide.

I also assume you installed on your first hd.

A little more details might help us help you.

Put in your Signature the specs of your PC for example.

 

You don't necessarily have to reformat anything, unless you've lost the use of Windows/Linux and fixing the MBR doesn't help.

 

(If you've installed Acronis Disk Director, also take the extra step of making the Recovery Disk: this disc will not only contain a bootable version of Disk Director, it will also contain a utility to fix potential problems with Acronis OS Selector. And if you also have Acronis TrueImage installed in Windows, this disk will also include a bootable version of it.)

[tripleboot]

According to their promo ( http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/produ...ltibooting.html ):

So this might help you. Otherwise do a search on this forum about installing OSX on a second hard drive and problems/solutions they offer.

 

QUOTE

Boot from an additional hard disk drive. Acronis OS Selector enables you to set the disk order so you can boot from any hard drive you select.

 

I did switch the order so OSx86 would be 1st boot option on secondary HD and XP as 2nd option. Reboot and received an error. Switched back and OSx86 boot sequence began and then black screen and reboot to Acronis OS. I think I'll reinstall and follow the directions real close. Otherwise I delete and obsess on some other project. peace.

[Coop]

According to their promo ( http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/produ...ltibooting.html ):

So this might help you. Otherwise do a search on this forum about installing OSX on a second hard drive and problems/solutions they offer.

@Coop:

I assume you didn't install from VMWare with the VMWare to Native method, and you used the procedure in this Native Dual Boot Guide.

I also assume you installed on your first hd.

A little more details might help us help you.

Put in your Signature the specs of your PC for example.

 

You don't necessarily have to reformat anything, unless you've lost the use of Windows/Linux and fixing the MBR doesn't help.

 

(If you've installed Acronis Disk Director, also take the extra step of making the Recovery Disk: this disc will not only contain a bootable version of Disk Director, it will also contain a utility to fix potential problems with Acronis OS Selector. And if you also have Acronis TrueImage installed in Windows, this disk will also include a bootable version of it.)

 

your assumptions would be correct... i'm new to VMWare so I don't even know :S but yea I will take a look into that tonight when i have time.. i'm @ work now.. so yea gotta go!