Toleman Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 No idea... It was done on Myzar's PC... Ask him... Until then, I'm staying with my theory on this. probably an AMD.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123steamn Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 probably an AMD.... With all patches applied or just the base patch and SMBIOS change, it has no affect on my Xbench scores. This is with a intel 3.2 GHZ cpu. Maybe it affects AMD processors only. kaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenicorata Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 has anyone found a solution to the "still waiting for root device" error when trying to load the pre-patched dvds? i have tried 2 different images and multiple media, none help. i have tried -x -s and rd=disk1s3 and this doesnt work either. i know installing in vmware is one of the solutions, but on my computer, vmware gives a PAE error which after doing some research, vmware says that it is not possible to run a pae guest operating system on winxpsp2. so right now im stuck. anyone have any ideas? im gonna try to patch the 10.4.4 dvd myself but for some reason i have a feeling i will get the same results. thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabr Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 With all patches applied or just the base patch and SMBIOS change, it has no affect on my Xbench scores.This is with a intel 3.2 GHZ cpu. Maybe it affects AMD processors only. kaos No, if myzars was an AMD and his test results showed the same under both conditions, then AMD aren't affected by it either... Besides, I have an AMD and nothing changed for me... Toleman, how do you know it's an AMD? And what does knowing whether it's an AMD have to do with anything? 123steamn just stated that it doesn't affect his CPU, and he has an Intel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toleman Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 No, if myzars was an AMD and his test results showed the same under both conditions, then AMD aren't affected by it either... Besides, I have an AMD and nothing changed for me... Toleman, how do you know it's an AMD? And what does knowing whether it's an AMD have to do with anything? 123steamn just stated that it doesn't affect his CPU, and he has an Intel... check the cpuid on OSX Myz DVD.... cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123steamn Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 check the cpuid on OSX Myz DVD.... cheers Toleman, I understand these patches: MAXXUSS CPUID Panic Patch MAXXUSS RTC Panic Patch MAXXUSS Kernel (v0.4) MAXXUSS AMD Enabler MAXXUSS SSE3-Emulator v5.0-8G1165 are applied to the kernel on the myzar DVD. If you take the myzar DVD kernel and apply just the base-patch, you will end up with MAXXUSS Kernel (v0.4) as the only patch applied. I've done it many times. And still, there is no difference in performance or Xbench scores on my machine. If you would like me to try a specific combination of patches that you think is causing a performance hit, please feel free to suggest. kaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toleman Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Toleman, I understand these patches:MAXXUSS CPUID Panic Patch MAXXUSS RTC Panic Patch MAXXUSS Kernel (v0.4) MAXXUSS AMD Enabler MAXXUSS SSE3-Emulator v5.0-8G1165 are applied to the kernel on the myzar DVD. If you take the myzar DVD kernel and apply just the base-patch, you will end up with MAXXUSS Kernel (v0.4) as the only patch applied. I've done it many times. And still, there is no difference in performance or Xbench scores on my machine. If you would like me to try a specific combination of patches that you think is causing a performance hit, please feel free to suggest. kaos i tried a customized kernel from the original kernel, all the posible combination causes a blue screen or a cycling boot (to avoid that you need to apply the AMD patch), then i think that the DVD was created with the last maxxuss patch available who run in at least SSE2 processor instead of the first release patch who needs SSE3 capable processor to run, then if you have an AMD the best choice is the Myz DVD, in my particular hardware the best choice was the original Maxxuss method (from the imac restore DVD) with the first patch release and the SMBIOS patch...now my itunes, safari, etc works without glitches and my benchmarks on 10.4.5. are up of the 10.4.3. Xbenchmarks....another benchmark was http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?sh...pic=5446&st=60# cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123steamn Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 i tried a customized kernel from the original kernel, all the posible combination causes a blue screen or a cycling boot (to avoid that you need to apply the AMD patch), then i think that the DVD was created with the last maxxuss patch available who run in at least SSE2 processor instead of the first release patch who needs SSE3 capable processor to run, then if you have an AMD the best choice is the Myz DVD, in my particular hardware the best choice was the original Maxxuss method (from the imac restore DVD) with the first patch release and the SMBIOS patch...now my itunes, safari, etc works without glitches and my benchmarks on 10.4.5. are up of the 10.4.3. Xbenchmarks....another benchmark was http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?sh...pic=5446&st=60# cheers when you refer to the original maxxuss method are you talking about the changes made to the restore DVD iso while working from 10.4.3 and installing from the iso which is a very fast install, and not an actual DVD? I think we might be getting somewhere. kaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toleman Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 when you refer to the original maxxuss method are you talking about the changes made to the restore DVD iso while working from 10.4.3 and installing from the iso which is a very fast install, and not an actual DVD? I think we might be getting somewhere. kaos is the same showed in maxxuss's page, here an abstract from his page: The general steps are: Build your own patched kernel file. Continue to read this section to understand how to do this. If you're happy with the pre-patched kernels, skip this step. Installing the 10.4.4 Volume from a working 10.4.3 System. Read the instructions carefully, each step matters. Post-installation, Part 1 (under a working 10.4.3 System). Post-installation, Part 2 (under 10.4.4). Read the Notes. Overall time to install 10.4.4 is about 60 minutes. just googling to find the link cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123steamn Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 is the same showed in maxxuss's page, here an abstract from his page: The general steps are: Build your own patched kernel file. Continue to read this section to understand how to do this. If you're happy with the pre-patched kernels, skip this step. Installing the 10.4.4 Volume from a working 10.4.3 System. Read the instructions carefully, each step matters. Post-installation, Part 1 (under a working 10.4.3 System). Post-installation, Part 2 (under 10.4.4). Read the Notes. Overall time to install 10.4.4 is about 60 minutes. just googling to find the link cheers Got it. It will take me awhile to set this back up, but I will, and will follow up with the Xbench comparisons. kaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris2000 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 hi everybody! a little question to toleman : I replaced myzar's mach_kernel by my own (base+Amd enabler, that's it). 10.4.4 installation succeed, but when I want to upgrade, always with my "rebuild" myzar's DVD, I got a 10.4.5 without SSE3 !!! I don't understand. Does the upgrade use another mach_kernel? because I don't find it on the DVD. Thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myzar Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 i tried a customized kernel from the original kernel, all the posible combination causes a blue screen or a cycling boot (to avoid that you need to apply the AMD patch), then i think that the DVD was created with the last maxxuss patch available who run in at least SSE2 processor instead of the first release patch who needs SSE3 capable processor to run, then if you have an AMD the best choice is the Myz DVD, in my particular hardware the best choice was the original Maxxuss method (from the imac restore DVD) with the first patch release and the SMBIOS patch...now my itunes, safari, etc works without glitches and my benchmarks on 10.4.5. are up of the 10.4.3. Xbenchmarks....another benchmark was http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?sh...pic=5446&st=60# cheers nah this is utter {censored} , first sse2 isn't disabled , and for sse3 to showup you can just apply base + amd ,just mail maxxuss and ask him , it's a shame he doesn't post on the board anymore hi everybody!a little question to toleman : I replaced myzar's mach_kernel by my own (base+Amd enabler, that's it). 10.4.4 installation succeed, but when I want to upgrade, always with my "rebuild" myzar's DVD, I got a 10.4.5 without SSE3 !!! I don't understand. Does the upgrade use another mach_kernel? because I don't find it on the DVD. Thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris2000 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Thx you Myzar for your answer, and many thanks for your release!!! I deleted the kernel from the root, replaced by another mach_kernel ; which contains only base+Amd. 10.4.4 fine, but during the update to 10.5.5, all patches are applied. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myzar Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Thx you Myzar for your answer, and many thanks for your release!!!I deleted the kernel from the root, replaced by another mach_kernel ; which contains only base+Amd. 10.4.4 fine, but during the update to 10.5.5, all patches are applied. ??? no man there's only that kernel , what do you mean with upgrade ? selecting the 10.4.5 update in the installer custom pkgs ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris2000 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 no man there's only that kernel , what do you mean with upgrade ? selecting the 10.4.5 update in the installer custom pkgs ? Yeah, upgrade selecting the 10.4.5 update in the installer custom pkgs. Because i got a very weird prob : with all patches applied (10.4.5) : CPUs charge=20% and with only base+amd : just 1-2 % . I don't understand...and Impossible to update without all patches.. Any idea? by the way, config: AMd Athlon XP64 3200+ (venice core) A8N-E ; ATI Radeon X300-SE 128MB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myzar Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Yeah, upgrade selecting the 10.4.5 update in the installer custom pkgs.Because i got a very weird prob : with all patches applied (10.4.5) : CPUs charge=20% and with only base+amd : just 1-2 % . I don't understand...and Impossible to update without all patches.. Any idea? by the way, config: AMd Athlon XP64 3200+ (venice core) A8N-E ; ATI Radeon X300-SE 128MB i'm positive that's the only kernel on dvd but i'm gonna swap kernel on the dvd and install it in vmware for a fast test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris2000 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Ok, we'll see. I know that's the only kernel on the DVD ; that's why It's weird!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris2000 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 and by the way Myzar, my graphics card (ATI Radeon X300-SE 128MB, QE/CI OK) is recognized like a 64MB Card, Total VRAM=64MB. Do you know why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myzar Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 and by the way Myzar, my graphics card (ATI Radeon X300-SE 128MB, QE/CI OK) is recognized like a 64MB Card, Total VRAM=64MB.Do you know why? ah no we have the same cpu but i've a 6600gt no idea about your x-300 prolly some bug in ati kexts you are lucky that you have qe/ci working. You are 100% right there's a mach_kernel in the 10.4.5 package, get the two ppf on the bay. this updated ver has the option to install a kernel with base + amd only or tomorrow i'll explain you how to patch yours to override that kernel, now i'm too tired to write something that makes sense in english Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris2000 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 ah no we have the same cpu but i've a 6600gt no idea about your x-300 prolly some bug in ati kexts you are lucky that you have qe/ci working. You are 100% right there's a mach_kernel in the 10.4.5 package, get the two ppf on the bay. this updated ver has the option to install a kernel with base + amd only or tomorrow i'll explain you how to patch yours to override that kernel, now i'm too tired to write something that makes sense in english Ok many thanks myzar, and good night! Do U have a link for these on the bay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mebster Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Hi, I downloaded the iso file a few weeks ago but am not sure how to install it with a dual boot system . I have to be honest. I have never done anything like this before and so know nothing . The major reason I want to make this work is to see if I like macs. All i have done is burned the iso open onto a dvd...that's it. Is there anyone out there who can help me out or point me towards a good (detailed hopefully) guide that explains how to install this on a dual boot system so I can have Windows as the main system? Muchos Gracious for any help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris2000 Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 hey man, what's your config? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh007 Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Hello Everyone... josh here, I'm new and young... but learning... I have the 10.4.4 - 5 dvd it clean installed on my only sata drive ok. I have been learning to give it what it wants to further the initial boot, by turning things off or changing things in the bios. I'm so close... I can feel it... but it's stuck here: From path:"uuid", Waiting for boot volume with UUID 89A3560B-367E-9DC7-CBD168A77F15 Waiting on <dict ID="0"><key>IOProviderClass</key><string ID="1">IOResources</string><key>IOResourceMatch</key><string ID="2">boot-uuid-media</string></dict> Still waiting for root device Still waiting for root device Still.... waiting for root device.... MB = Intel D915GEVL - supposed to work well right??? Chip = Intel 630 (i've tried all the -v -s -f -x, form= stuff, I know somehow it doesn't find my drive, I don't understand this because it it booting fron the drive to begin with!!! oh me oh mia - summy summy mia mia ) Mac attack!!! help !!! thank you in advance, i'm really learning from you all !!!! josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123steamn Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 is the same showed in maxxuss's page, here an abstract from his page: The general steps are: Build your own patched kernel file. Continue to read this section to understand how to do this. If you're happy with the pre-patched kernels, skip this step. Installing the 10.4.4 Volume from a working 10.4.3 System. Read the instructions carefully, each step matters. Post-installation, Part 1 (under a working 10.4.3 System). Post-installation, Part 2 (under 10.4.4). Read the Notes. Overall time to install 10.4.4 is about 60 minutes. just googling to find the link cheers My Xbench scores using: Toleman's method running 10.4.5 : Results 95.59 System Info Xbench Version 1.2 System Version 10.4.5 (8G1454) Physical RAM 1024 MB Model ADP2,1 Drive Type Maxtor 6L200S0 CPU Test 68.22 GCD Loop 97.00 5.11 Mops/sec Floating Point Basic 74.40 1.77 Gflop/sec vecLib FFT 49.27 1.63 Gflop/sec Floating Point Library 68.54 11.93 Mops/sec Thread Test 107.48 Computation 87.96 1.78 Mops/sec, 4 threads Lock Contention 138.15 5.94 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads Memory Test 84.95 System 87.44 Allocate 76.19 279.80 Kalloc/sec Fill 98.59 4793.89 MB/sec Copy 90.57 1870.59 MB/sec Stream 82.60 Copy 78.66 1624.77 MB/sec Scale 80.37 1660.43 MB/sec Add 86.25 1837.39 MB/sec Triad 85.63 1831.77 MB/sec Quartz Graphics Test 95.36 Line 101.32 6.75 Klines/sec [50% alpha] Rectangle 89.90 26.84 Krects/sec [50% alpha] Circle 91.54 7.46 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha] Bezier 101.50 2.56 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha] Text 93.78 5.87 Kchars/sec OpenGL Graphics Test 178.71 Spinning Squares 178.71 226.70 frames/sec User Interface Test 94.23 Elements 94.23 432.47 refresh/sec Disk Test 92.56 Sequential 88.48 Uncached Write 84.91 52.13 MB/sec [4K blocks] Uncached Write 76.20 43.11 MB/sec [256K blocks] Uncached Read 124.54 36.45 MB/sec [4K blocks] Uncached Read 81.45 40.94 MB/sec [256K blocks] Random 97.04 Uncached Write 103.87 11.00 MB/sec [4K blocks] Uncached Write 89.73 28.73 MB/sec [256K blocks] Uncached Read 92.28 0.65 MB/sec [4K blocks] Uncached Read 104.04 19.31 MB/sec [256K blocks] Myzar's method running 10.4.5: Results 59.15 System Info Xbench Version 1.2 System Version 10.4.5 (8G1454) Physical RAM 1024 MB Model ADP2,1 Drive Type Maxtor 6L200S0 CPU Test 68.12 GCD Loop 96.84 5.10 Mops/sec Floating Point Basic 75.37 1.79 Gflop/sec vecLib FFT 48.70 1.61 Gflop/sec Floating Point Library 68.53 11.93 Mops/sec Thread Test 107.48 Computation 87.97 1.78 Mops/sec, 4 threads Lock Contention 138.10 5.94 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads Memory Test 77.59 System 80.22 Allocate 69.86 256.55 Kalloc/sec Fill 94.71 4604.81 MB/sec Copy 79.86 1649.40 MB/sec Stream 75.13 Copy 72.05 1488.17 MB/sec Scale 73.36 1515.66 MB/sec Add 78.15 1664.76 MB/sec Triad 77.31 1653.81 MB/sec Quartz Graphics Test 62.78 Line 66.81 4.45 Klines/sec [50% alpha] Rectangle 53.77 16.05 Krects/sec [50% alpha] Circle 54.29 4.43 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha] Bezier 79.96 2.02 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha] Text 66.02 4.13 Kchars/sec OpenGL Graphics Test 176.59 Spinning Squares 176.59 224.01 frames/sec User Interface Test 19.84 Elements 19.84 91.06 refresh/sec Disk Test 105.42 Sequential 106.02 Uncached Write 101.77 62.49 MB/sec [4K blocks] Uncached Write 100.43 56.83 MB/sec [256K blocks] Uncached Read 124.24 36.36 MB/sec [4K blocks] Uncached Read 101.05 50.79 MB/sec [256K blocks] Random 104.82 Uncached Write 103.66 10.97 MB/sec [4K blocks] Uncached Write 104.57 33.48 MB/sec [256K blocks] Uncached Read 94.22 0.67 MB/sec [4K blocks] Uncached Read 119.93 22.25 MB/sec [256K blocks] Conclusion: Overall test score favors Toleman's method CPU test score is the same Looks as though the Quartz graphic test is the key, causing the main difference between the overall test scores. Myzar's method works right out of the box.. Toleman's method required fixes for certain processes to work. ie sound, networking and monitor resolution. This is what I experienced. Your's may be diffferent. kaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myzar Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 My Xbench scores using: Toleman's method running 10.4.5 : Results 95.59 System Info Xbench Version 1.2 System Version 10.4.5 (8G1454) Physical RAM 1024 MB Model ADP2,1 Drive Type Maxtor 6L200S0 CPU Test 68.22 GCD Loop 97.00 5.11 Mops/sec Floating Point Basic 74.40 1.77 Gflop/sec vecLib FFT 49.27 1.63 Gflop/sec Floating Point Library 68.54 11.93 Mops/sec Thread Test 107.48 Computation 87.96 1.78 Mops/sec, 4 threads Lock Contention 138.15 5.94 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads Memory Test 84.95 System 87.44 Allocate 76.19 279.80 Kalloc/sec Fill 98.59 4793.89 MB/sec Copy 90.57 1870.59 MB/sec Stream 82.60 Copy 78.66 1624.77 MB/sec Scale 80.37 1660.43 MB/sec Add 86.25 1837.39 MB/sec Triad 85.63 1831.77 MB/sec Quartz Graphics Test 95.36 Line 101.32 6.75 Klines/sec [50% alpha] Rectangle 89.90 26.84 Krects/sec [50% alpha] Circle 91.54 7.46 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha] Bezier 101.50 2.56 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha] Text 93.78 5.87 Kchars/sec OpenGL Graphics Test 178.71 Spinning Squares 178.71 226.70 frames/sec User Interface Test 94.23 Elements 94.23 432.47 refresh/sec Disk Test 92.56 Sequential 88.48 Uncached Write 84.91 52.13 MB/sec [4K blocks] Uncached Write 76.20 43.11 MB/sec [256K blocks] Uncached Read 124.54 36.45 MB/sec [4K blocks] Uncached Read 81.45 40.94 MB/sec [256K blocks] Random 97.04 Uncached Write 103.87 11.00 MB/sec [4K blocks] Uncached Write 89.73 28.73 MB/sec [256K blocks] Uncached Read 92.28 0.65 MB/sec [4K blocks] Uncached Read 104.04 19.31 MB/sec [256K blocks] Myzar's method running 10.4.5: Results 59.15 System Info Xbench Version 1.2 System Version 10.4.5 (8G1454) Physical RAM 1024 MB Model ADP2,1 Drive Type Maxtor 6L200S0 CPU Test 68.12 GCD Loop 96.84 5.10 Mops/sec Floating Point Basic 75.37 1.79 Gflop/sec vecLib FFT 48.70 1.61 Gflop/sec Floating Point Library 68.53 11.93 Mops/sec Thread Test 107.48 Computation 87.97 1.78 Mops/sec, 4 threads Lock Contention 138.10 5.94 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads Memory Test 77.59 System 80.22 Allocate 69.86 256.55 Kalloc/sec Fill 94.71 4604.81 MB/sec Copy 79.86 1649.40 MB/sec Stream 75.13 Copy 72.05 1488.17 MB/sec Scale 73.36 1515.66 MB/sec Add 78.15 1664.76 MB/sec Triad 77.31 1653.81 MB/sec Quartz Graphics Test 62.78 Line 66.81 4.45 Klines/sec [50% alpha] Rectangle 53.77 16.05 Krects/sec [50% alpha] Circle 54.29 4.43 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha] Bezier 79.96 2.02 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha] Text 66.02 4.13 Kchars/sec OpenGL Graphics Test 176.59 Spinning Squares 176.59 224.01 frames/sec User Interface Test 19.84 Elements 19.84 91.06 refresh/sec Disk Test 105.42 Sequential 106.02 Uncached Write 101.77 62.49 MB/sec [4K blocks] Uncached Write 100.43 56.83 MB/sec [256K blocks] Uncached Read 124.24 36.36 MB/sec [4K blocks] Uncached Read 101.05 50.79 MB/sec [256K blocks] Random 104.82 Uncached Write 103.66 10.97 MB/sec [4K blocks] Uncached Write 104.57 33.48 MB/sec [256K blocks] Uncached Read 94.22 0.67 MB/sec [4K blocks] Uncached Read 119.93 22.25 MB/sec [256K blocks] Conclusion: Overall test score favors Toleman's method CPU test score is the same Looks as though the Quartz graphic test is the key, causing the main difference between the overall test scores. Myzar's method works right out of the box.. Toleman's method required fixes for certain processes to work. ie sound, networking and monitor resolution. This is what I experienced. Your's may be diffferent. kaos well then the difference isn't related to the kernel , sse3 or anything like that, with your method do you install 10.4.5 gma kexts ? that would explain the difference. but i hear that you loose the ability to change the resolution. There's a folder Extensions_10.4.5_disabled with the extensions i omit to install because when i built the dvd many users said they were problematic. You can try to copy them back fix the permissions etc to see if it makes any difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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