Tech607 Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 This Mac user took it upon himself to give Microsoft’s Vista OS a try. I bought a brand new HP Slimline s7712n Desktop with Vista Home Premium installed. Put the iMac to sleep and went to town trying to do all that I do on my Mac with my PC. I can tell you it is true ONCE YOU GO MAC YOU WILL NEVER GO BACK! It was all that I thought it would be and maybe even worse. I put together my list of 10 Vista annoyances. I hope you enjoy the list and share it with others. I know a week isn’t enough time to learn to hate everything Vista but it sure was enough time to send me running back to my iMac and apologizing for my indiscretion. Let me know what you think. CHECK IT ALL OUT ON MY SITE! http://homepage.mac.com/fklittle1975/weeko...Personal21.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipersfate Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 I agree with your Vista top 10. Apple FTW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robotskip Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 It ask me to cancel or allow everything.I've heard so many people say that on this forum and most of them don't even use Vista as their primary OS. If you ask someone who does they'll tell you that unless you're installing apps, changing critical system files or doing any other things daily, which you shouldn't be doing daily, you'll get hardly any prompts.The drivers should be associated with the program and allowed to install without question.No, they shouldn't, that's bad security.The commercial was dead on.As I've proved, and until you prove there is a prompt for 'everything' you & the commercial (And thereby Apple) are wrong. Edit: For the record I in no way attacked his opinion, I attacked things he stated as some magical truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forceman Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 I've heard so many people say that on this forum and most of them don't even use Vista as their primary OS. If you ask someone who does they'll tell you that unless you're installing apps, changing critical system files or doing any other things daily, which you shouldn't be doing daily, you'll get hardly any prompts.No, they shouldn't, that's bad security. As I've proved, and until you prove there is a prompt for 'everything' you & the commercial (And thereby Apple) are wrong. Edit: For the record I in no way attacked his opinion, I attacked things he stated as some magical truth. Dont forget copying files to C:, program files and installing apps you usually get two prompts. I tried deleting something from program files that I put there and it wouldn't let me. After switching off UAC it was fine, but you do get prompted alot in the control panel and would have been simple to prompt once for the entire control panel. The Apple advert is correct as you get prompted for most of the stuff in control panel, prompted for each app you install even though it's just one(two apps contained in one i.e iTunes/quicktime). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooly Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 VISTA : - Another useless OS from microsoft. I fairly noticed few updates from them. I beleive its Windows XP in new bottle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheND Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 UAC is nice for noobs who instantly start clicking things (ie. my stepmom is a spyware magnet!). But yes, you can turn it off. The Sidebar can be hid, closed, or re-opened via the CP, but just clicking the 'show Desktop' button will hide it, revealing the whole desktop. Flip3D is nice looking, that's about it. Dreamscenes (available in Ultimate only) is cool, but when it loops the movie, the screen flickers, not attractive at all, IMO. Like I've said, a GREAT improvement over XP, but OS X still leaves it in the dust... (I can't wait for Leopard!) Nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaspers Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Put OSx86 on your HP Slimline s7712n Desktop to keep it useful . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djpc47 Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 UAC is nice for noobs who instantly start clicking things (ie. my stepmom is a spyware magnet!). But yes, you can turn it off. The Sidebar can be hid, closed, or re-opened via the CP, but just clicking the 'show Desktop' button will hide it, revealing the whole desktop. Flip3D is nice looking, that's about it. Dreamscenes (available in Ultimate only) is cool, but when it loops the movie, the screen flickers, not attractive at all, IMO. Like I've said, a GREAT improvement over XP, but OS X still leaves it in the dust... (I can't wait for Leopard!) Nd one more thing to click at;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forceman Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 UAC is nice for noobs who instantly start clicking things (ie. my stepmom is a spyware magnet!). But yes, you can turn it off. The Sidebar can be hid, closed, or re-opened via the CP, but just clicking the 'show Desktop' button will hide it, revealing the whole desktop. Flip3D is nice looking, that's about it. Dreamscenes (available in Ultimate only) is cool, but when it loops the movie, the screen flickers, not attractive at all, IMO. Like I've said, a GREAT improvement over XP, but OS X still leaves it in the dust... (I can't wait for Leopard!) Nd Well, it's just a case of clicking Allow, if you go by what you said UAC is useless, a password prompt would have been more more useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviejo Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 I've heard so many people say that on this forum and most of them don't even use Vista as their primary OS. If you ask someone who does they'll tell you that unless you're installing apps, changing critical system files or doing any other things daily, which you shouldn't be doing daily, you'll get hardly any prompts.No, they shouldn't, that's bad security. As I've proved, and until you prove there is a prompt for 'everything' you & the commercial (And thereby Apple) are wrong. Edit: For the record I in no way attacked his opinion, I attacked things he stated as some magical truth. Also, if you install a program with elevated privileges, every time you try to use that program, you get the prompt to allow that program to run. Don't try to deny that UAC sucks the way it is implemented, is you against the world,and, sorry, but must be you who is wrong, not the rest of the world. Another thing is networking, try to share a printer and you are going to see what a pain in the ass it is, even between different flavors of windows, forget it with other OS's. Oh, by the way, yesterday I was backing up a DVD from my granddaughter ( with some scratches ) and every time the backing up program got to the scratches I got a blue screen, that don't even happen with XP, isn't suppossed that the program hangs, not the OS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech607 Posted March 20, 2007 Author Share Posted March 20, 2007 UAC is nice for noobs who instantly start clicking things (ie. my stepmom is a spyware magnet!). But yes, you can turn it off. The Sidebar can be hid, closed, or re-opened via the CP, but just clicking the 'show Desktop' button will hide it, revealing the whole desktop. I do not see where you can control the side bar in the Control Panel. You can set it to open on startup, move it, or view what gadgets are open but I do not see where to hide it and open it in the CP. If the choices are hidden and not located inside the Windows Sidebar Properties icon, then that would really be ignorant of Microsoft. Clicking the show desktop button will hide my other programs also, so that is no answer to the problem of being able to easily hide it and have it reappear when you want. I know you can turn off UAC but that makes the computer as vulnerable as XP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
track09 Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 (edited) Read about Vista like an intelligent person, and you'll understand it's not Xp with a new coat. But heaven forbid zealots realize this. I'm glad to see your article on .mac is so unbiased, and well written (sarcasm). If you used Vista primarilly, you'd realize UAC only occurs durring installations. Edited March 21, 2007 by SABR Rude language used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Puppy Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 I think that microsoft should let there be a button on the mouse to enable flip3d, just like the squeeze button on the apple's mouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda200x Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 I went to Mac and came back... I think Microsoft has improved dramatically on Vista. The UAC can be annoying but once disabled it was 10x easier. Its true that DVD Maker and WMM is in no league compared with iLife which is why several companys develop new programs to cope. The start menu is better than XPs which doesn't overload the screen with folders. I think Microsoft understands intergration well (IE, shell? ). I've used Vista for 14 days and no flaws, crashes or even virii have affected me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robotskip Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Dont forget copying files to C:, program files and installing apps you usually get two prompts. I tried deleting something from program files that I put there and it wouldn't let me. After switching off UAC it was fine, but you do get prompted alot in the control panel and would have been simple to prompt once for the entire control panel. The Apple advert is correct as you get prompted for most of the stuff in control panel, prompted for each app you install even though it's just one(two apps contained in one i.e iTunes/quicktime). No, that would also be bad security -- you might as well have a prompt as soon as the PC starts and than if the person clicks Allow than that whole session will have no more prompts. And no, the correct is wrong, the ad implies you get a prompt for the most simple things, like saying hello which is BS and you know it. Here is a list of things which give you prompts, that's hardly 'everything' done on Windows, in fact, most things aren't covered. Also, if you install a program with elevated privileges, every time you try to use that program, you get the prompt to allow that program to run. Don't try to deny that UAC sucks the way it is implemented, is you against the world,and, sorry, but must be you who is wrong, not the rest of the world. Another thing is networking, try to share a printer and you are going to see what a pain in the ass it is, even between different flavors of windows, forget it with other OS's. Oh, by the way, yesterday I was backing up a DVD from my granddaughter ( with some scratches ) and every time the backing up program got to the scratches I got a blue screen, that don't even happen with XP, isn't suppossed that the program hangs, not the OS?I installed Visual Studio like that and I don't get prompted every time. How about, one of you prove you get prompts for EVERYTHING till than, it's not me vs the world, it's me vs a bunch of randoms on a forum who can't prove anything or extremely little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech607 Posted March 21, 2007 Author Share Posted March 21, 2007 Read about Vista like an intelligent person, and you'll understand it's not Xp with a new coat. But heaven forbid zealots realize this. I'm glad to see your article on .mac is so unbiased, and well written (sarcasm). If you used Vista primarilly, you'd realize UAC only occurs durring installations. Grow the {censored} up, it's not for everything. Any intelligent person would not use this backward copy of OS X everyday and try to call it good. I use my Vista computer only to help the lost try to make their PC work for them and repair their PC's once they are crippled by spyware and the such and let me tell you there is good money in these PC hills but this market does not exist in the Mac world. So bring on Vista. Its mistakes will just make me more money through training and repairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
track09 Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Any intelligent person would not use this backward copy of OS X everyday and try to call it good. I use my Vista computer only to help the lost try to make their PC work for them and repair their PC's once they are crippled by spyware and the such and let me tell you there is good money in these PC hills but this market does not exist in the Mac world. So bring on Vista. Its mistakes will just make me more money through training and repairs. Yea, I've had no spyware on my machine since 2002. Any half intelligent person doesn't get spyware on their machine, by browsing safely. Besides, vista makes it harder for sw to run, it's just that apple is simply a small target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollcage Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I installed Visual Studio like that and I don't get prompted every time. I have Visual Studio installed, it tells you that you should run it with admin privileges (requiring you to go through the UAC prompt every time you run it). I can't wait for the next release, it's starting to get quite annoying. One major thing that I've noticed about UAC is if you try to open something from IE (word document I think will do this), you first get a prompt from IE asking you if you want to open the file, then you get a UAC prompt asking you if you want to allow IE to open the file. You shouldn't have to tell it twice. The biggest problem with UAC is that it requires you to confirm a single action more than once. If you want to change the clock, you shouldn't have to confirm that you want to change the clock and then enter your credentials. Entering your credentials should be enough to verify. I also love it when you get a security center notification telling you that you've turned off security center notifications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech607 Posted March 21, 2007 Author Share Posted March 21, 2007 Now my Vista Will not show me my desktop I get a black screen for 10 minutes and then the desktop will magically appear. I am on the phone with HP now and they are saying it is a program I must have installed and of course they are giving me the usual windows answer to everything REINSTALL THE SYSTEM OR RESTORE. Why would an out the box program cause so much havoc. Plus WHY O WHY is it not called "add or remove programs" anymore. "Programs and features" makes me think that is the wrong place to go to remove a program but it is the right place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rez. Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 The week I spent with my Vista PC Sounds like something out of Penthouse Forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willydayan Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Well some of those things are right and some are not, I've used vista alot (trying to install mac but it keeps messing up) and some of those are just not right, like the side bar 8. If I close the Side Bar I cannot open it by going to the Control Panel and clicking the side bar icon and clicking a tab in it to open the side bar again. No that option is hiding in the All Programs folder under Accessories. Why this preference would not be controlled by the Control Panel I do not know. It only makes sense that it would be there. you can be turned back on on the task bar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostgame Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Microsoft does not understand integration. ...and that's it, right there. The only sentence really worth reading in the article, it's kind of biased. Okay, REALLY biased. But you know... it's hard not to be, I understand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forceman Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 No, that would also be bad security -- you might as well have a prompt as soon as the PC starts and than if the person clicks Allow than that whole session will have no more prompts. And no, the correct is wrong, the ad implies you get a prompt for the most simple things, like saying hello which is BS and you know it. Here is a list of things which give you prompts, that's hardly 'everything' done on Windows, in fact, most things aren't covered. I installed Visual Studio like that and I don't get prompted every time. How about, one of you prove you get prompts for EVERYTHING till than, it's not me vs the world, it's me vs a bunch of randoms on a forum who can't prove anything or extremely little. Twisting words again I see, I said most of the stuff in control panel. UAC may not be annoying to you but dont defend it like it's not annoying to everyone else. Are you saying we dont use Vista and UAC really dont bother you so much?, how about when you do turn it off it bothers you again with a notification every friggin time. I recently install Vista because I got sick to death of XP even for the small time I use it for a few games, so dont patronize me and others claiming UAC works perfect because it dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I recently install Vista because I got sick to death of XP even for the small time I use it for a few games, so dont patronize me and others claiming UAC works perfect because it dont. I am using Windows XP Pro x64 and I find it great for my Windows needs. Best Microsoft Desktop OS ever, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forceman Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I am using Windows XP Pro x64 and I find it great for my Windows needs. Best Microsoft Desktop OS ever, IMO. XP 64 was worse, nForce drivers are still beta(never were updated) and hard drive performance is real bad with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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