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Erm, any particular reason why I am unable to post a new topic? It's been a while since I've been round here, but I'm definitely not a new use! :P

EDIT: Seems to be working now. *shrugs*

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Hi guys

I've started discussing some of what you're talking about here with iPoco via PMs, I'm bringing some thoughts here too:

Hagar's right. I think that you should take the forum offline for a weekend, get the team together and reconsider:

- You've grown big. 1m posts is the first turning point for any kind of forum where decent admin/maintenance skills are required. You need some decent db optimization/maintenance routines done weekly (at least).

- Categories/Boards: you're pretty much covering the whole universe. Do you really need/want all of them?

- Topics: you've way more gigantic posts than any board software would tolerate. Even vBulletin starts choking on large threads. You're getting serious hiccups from this.

You have some pure quality threads from people who took time to research & document what would take say 2-5 pages and in between 50 pages from posters who quote a whole dang page to ask what's answered in the 1st post. Drag for the one who documents.

- As for new members/OT hell/spam/hijacking, you should come up with a fixed set of rules that would pretty much predict what you'll get. If you continue to pamper users you won't get anywhere, if you remind them the rules you're going to get more and more quality of posts/topics/forum. Just an anecdote for comparison: I once locked a thread from a user asking a question covered by our faq. He came back to retaliate like "Some advice, if people need help............help them if it means giving them a link to another post then do it. Look at insanleymac. theres many questions on there repeated but people help each other out and guide each other" (meaning screw search, someone will give me a link @insanely while I post a redundant thread @insanely)". Now unless you guys have time for this kind of spoonfeeding, I only see pure laziness yielding redundancy/OT havoc.

You might also like to re-evaluate the whole thing, is it still any fun for you? Members of the team who've grown bored or changed interests won't be of much help. You might want to revive the team or you might find out that you want to drop the whole idea.

Anyone still active in your team, feel free to catch up with iPoco about our discussion so far and let me know if you'd like to discuss further about it here or elsewhere.

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OK, we've just refined the implementation of this so that users with less than 5 posts but have been registered since January 2009 or earlier will be able to Create New Topics - this accounts for lurkers who don't post often and mainly read.

We've also fixed an issue where users with more than 5 posts were set to the 'Newbies' group and couldn't post a new topic straight after we implemented this until they made a post in an existing topic - we only had a handful or reports of this being an issue as most people post in existing topics, but nonetheless that's now been rectified, so everyone's in the appropriate group now.

-Ed

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Good Idea, it will stop spamming, but for me as a newbie needing help, it's quite sad, I will get five posts and I'll make my topic, I have searched through forums and could not find enough help for my PC.

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err this needs to be somewhere more obvious. I crawled all over this forum and the only why i found this thread was by another thread that I find with google (not the google search above)

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Might be worth adding some more details on the "Error Page" users receive when they try to post.

I, just signed up yesterday to try and get some help but was confused when ever i tried to create a post with a generic error with no explanation.

Just my 2Cents worth :)

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Please add a descriptive message instead of just "you dont have permission to...". Even googling did not help me to find the reason for not being able to create a new thread. I found this post by chance!

Please add this information in the Help or Rules page.

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Since this rule was established, I'm seeing alot of year old topics being revived...

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Please add a descriptive message instead of just "you dont have permission to...". Even googling did not help me to find the reason for not being able to create a new thread. I found this post by chance!

Please add this information in the Help or Rules page.


I agree, I was a little confused by the message. But I found this post and I think it's a good idea, it forces you to do some research before you post. It prevented me from posting a 'Where the he** do I start?' thread in the Snow Leopard forum :D

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Good countermeasure - just make the warning more specific. I looked around for a reason for now like 30 minutes...

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I agree. I saw the nice red warning when I joined, but other may not have for whatever reason.

The error message that you get if you didn't read the new rule (or forgot that it applied) is far too generic. It needs to give a reason.

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I agree with the reasons behind this action, but I can't but say that this prevents new members to be part of the InsanelyMac community.

If nothing can really be done to avoid this (questionnaires to be filled, or other similar stuff, as stated in previous suggestions in this thread), it'd be really nice to have at least the reasons stated in the error message. And maybe allow long-time users (read: lurkers - I suppose they aren't much of a problem, they don't really spam the forum, if they've been registered for several months without writing 5 posts yet) to create topics.

I've been registered for over 4 years (good old OSX86 Tiger deadmoo times) and I wanted to post some question about troubles I got by trying an upgrade of my old Tiger hackint0sh to SL, but I noticed I cannot create a new thread. It took quite a bt to find this thread (I've been checking the global forum rules, and there's nothing in there about this - it'd be a nice place to put it in, since that page can be reached from wherever you are on the forums - as well as looking for semi-hidden messages in the board index, still without success). If it's shown in the registration page, it doesn't really help the old users with low postcount, does it?

I hope the critics here made will be of help to improve the forum situation.

~Syao

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i think this solution is not very good. i just registered and was left without any clue, why i could not start a new topic. Just add this to the error message:
"Sorry, you do not have permission to start a topic in this forum" + New users require a minimum of 5 posts until they can start a new topic.

This would be one solution. I just wonder how this affects the forum. I would guess, that people just start making a lot of dull posts just to get to the 5 minimum, as most new users will be newbies.

Maybe you should use openid or facebook connect or something like that to validate users and minimize spam.

I don't see this working and also it is pretty user unfriendly like it is now.

One more idea:

create a newbie forum inside the other forums, where newbies have to post a few messages (2-3) before they can post in other forums. this keeps them from posting just to achieve the five post limit.

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As a new user I was surprised not to be able to start a thread. The one thing I notice where threads that are very bloated where it was difficult to find the information I needed.

Along with the other effect of thread jacking and irrelevant information I'd suggest find another way to deal with spam and excess topics on the same subject!

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The biggest problem is simply getting the message across to new users not to post until they have something to say. When we get topics like: "please help me put mac on pc" on the one hand, and people who can't even spell "kext" giving advice within 24 hours of joining, you *know* they have neither read the rules they agreed to on registering (this restriction is marked out there in red), nor done the necessary amount of searching and researching before making a first post.

"Read til your eyes bleed" has always been the advice for beginners.. Posting a new topic expecting people to help *just you* rather than reading the information already available until you understand what to do is the disease this modification is attempting to cure.

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IMHO there should be a section were the new users can post freely, while for posting in the rest of the forum one would need to do an on-line test with basic questions about OSX (like people at projectOS X forum did). In this way newbie's post will be easier to moderate 'cos they will be in one section of the forum only, and also may ensure the users able to post in the other sections will have to learn the basic forehand

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When we are talking about the new 5 post rule i thought after seeing a user bring a lot of dead treads to life (5 to be true) with useless comments... i mean why write in a tread from 2009 and only say nice one m8... it can only be because he want to get the 5 posts, and in that sake mess with my browsing of the view new posts list... i know it is not that bad for me but i just feel it is something there might be a lot of here...
I feel also more for a newbee room, where they can go mad and then to be let in the other rooms give them a test. It will not make it feel more like a exclusive club then the dev forum is now... in my book it will just make it look more like the site want to get usefull infomation and not 5000 posts about lets say 3470 mobility cards just because it is more easy to make a new post then it is to search.

But that is my 2 cents.

(The user i mean: http://www.insanelym...showuser=585080 )

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When we are talking about the new 5 post rule i thought after seeing a user bring a lot of dead treads to life (5 to be true) with useless comments... i mean why write in a tread from 2009 and only say nice one m8... it can only be because he want to get the 5 posts, and in that sake mess with my browsing of the view new posts list... i know it is not that bad for me but i just feel it is something there might be a lot of here...
I feel also more for a newbee room, where they can go mad and then to be let in the other rooms give them a test. It will not make it feel more like a exclusive club then the dev forum is now... in my book it will just make it look more like the site want to get usefull infomation and not 5000 posts about lets say 3470 mobility cards just because it is more easy to make a new post then it is to search.

But that is my 2 cents.

(The user i mean: http://www.insanelym...showuser=585080 )

I completely agree.

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== EDIT ==
Ah well nevermind about the issue. I've managed to have more than 5 posts now by replying to others. Thanks anyway!

OK, we've just refined the implementation of this so that users with less than 5 posts but have been registered since January 2009 or earlier will be able to Create New Topics - this accounts for lurkers who don't post often and mainly read.

Hello there, I can't create a new topic and I've been registered since July 2006. I was trying to post in Buying Advices about a new hack I'll be building and got the permission error thing and I thought my account was banned because I only read and rarely post! Then I found this, so the question is: Am I qualified to create new topics?

Thanks.

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This would be one solution. I just wonder how this affects the forum. I would guess, that people just start making a lot of dull posts just to get to the 5 minimum, as most new users will be newbies.


But instead, it would be to acquire a lot of experience, before opening a topic, and urge users to read up first, preventing thousands of unnecessary topics. Intervene in the case to reach 5 posts is a shortcut of the fruits of "cunning" of people (I thought it was an Italian prerogative)

Giorgio





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