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From Hackintosh to Macintosh


cavemonkey50

Hello everyone, I'm cavemonkey50 and I'm the new guy on OSx86 Project. Well, I'm not really the new guy. I've been around here for a while, but I'm the new writer. You may have read some of my OSx86 articles from my personal site on Digg in the past. Mashugly has asked me to write for OSx86 Project, and that's exactly what I'm going to do.

 

To start off this article, you should know a little bit about my Mac background. About a year ago I had never used Mac OS X in my life. Back then I never even saw a Mac computer in real life. Sure, I knew what they looked like, and I saw demos of OS X during Steve Jobs' keynotes, but I had never used a Mac. Although I had never used a Mac, I was still Mac-curious. Being an iPod and iTunes user, I was already familiar with the design and functionality of Apple, and being fed up with Windows at the time, I looked toward Mac OS. There was one problem, though. Macs were expensive, I had a limited budget, and I wasn't going to spend everything I had to buy a computer I had never even used.

 

Then Steve Jobs revealed the future of Macs at WWDC 2005. Macs were going to be running on Intel. That announcement instantly got my head spinning. Maybe I could run Mac OS X on my current PC? I apparently wasn't alone. Since there was a number of people who wanted OS X on generic hardware, fake copies started spreading around. After several fake copies, a real leak was finally released, and thus began my journey into OSx86.

 

The first time I ran OSx86 was at school using the Deadmoo image. I had to run OSx86 on a computer at school since my home computer did not support SSE2 CPU instructions, a requirement for Mac on x86 hardware. My first OS X experience was rather crappy, since the computer at school sucked, but that didn't stop me. When Christmas rolled around, I took that as a great opportunity to build a "real" OSx86 machine; one that could support accelerated graphics and supposedly run as well as a real Mac. So, that's exactly what I did. I built a machine that was identical to Apple's Intel developer kits, and installed OS X on it. From then until now, I have been manually installing every single OS X update, mainly using Maxxuss' instructions.

 

Enough about my OS X history. Flash forward to today. I bought an Intel MacBook on Thursday and sold my Hackintosh on Friday. To keep the lawyers happy, I should mention that I sold my Hackintosh with the hard drive wiped clean, and did not provide the disks necessary to install OS X on the machine. So, basically I went from never using OS X in my life, to buying my first Mac in about nine months. I would have bought my Mac sooner, but it took me this long to save up for one. So, with that said, I thought it would be interesting to compare an install of OSx86 to a real Mac and see how well OSx86 stacks up.

 

The Updates

 

I guess I should start with the most obvious, updates. The major difference between a real Mac and OSx86 is updates. The minute Apple releases an update, I can now download it. Back when I used OSx86, that processes took quite a while. You could never tell if an update was safe. You had to wait for someone to test the update to see if it was safe. Then if it wasn't safe, you had to wait a few days for someone to come up with instructions on how to install the update; usually bypassing the files that were causing problems. Then a week or two later someone would crack the files that were troublesome, you would add those files to your update, and then the easy installers would start appearing for the people who didn't want to manually install. So, if you manually installed, you usually had the updates in days, with a second update a couple of weeks later, and if you were a noob, the update took a few weeks until you could install. Now with a real Mac, updating is no longer a problem.

 

Within the updating process, it should be mentioned that OSx86 users couldn't always take advantage of updates. Often the OS point updates contained performance enhancements tailored to specific Apple hardware, so while Mac users may have been reporting major performance enhancements, OSx86 users were still running at the initial speed. The reasoning to that is along the way Apple has caught onto what the OSx86 scene has been doing, so they have been removing things that apply to generic hardware, forcing OSx86 users to use the original files. The best example of this is the kernel. In 10.4.5 Apple pulled the power instructions for generic x86 CPUs and started using power instructions tailored to the Intel Core chips. Since the majority of the OSx86 scene do not have Core CPUs, the 10.4.4 kernel has been used ever since. So, whatever performance enhancements Apple applies to the kernel, OSx86 users never see. The same thing apply to the drivers. While OSx86 users are seeing the new features and bug fixes of every release, they never fully take advantage of hardware fixes and enhancements.

 

Everything Works

 

The next major difference between Hackintosh and Macintosh is everything works. To run a perfect OSx86 install you either need to be lucky, or build a machine tailored to running OS X. Many OSx86 users have sound cards that don't work, wireless cards with no connectivity, and do not have accelerated graphics. Sure, OS X runs on those machines, but people miss out on a lot of the functionality.

 

Looking at my own install of OSx86, I had to do some wacky things to get certain functionality. Since OSx86 didn't like my wireless card, I had to run a wire from my Hackintosh to my Windows machine, using Windows' to share its wireless connection with my Hackintosh. Sure I got internet, but my Hackintosh was never part of my real network. The Windows machine created a network just between it and the Hackintosh, thus preventing my Hackintosh from sharing files with the rest of the network. Then there is Front Row. In order for Front Row to work, I had to hook up an separate USB mouse, using the mouse's USB profile to fake it was a Front Row IR receiver. So, the majority of OSx86 users either have something that doesn't work, or they're doing something crazy to get it to work.

 

Performance

 

The next major difference I noticed between OSx86 and the real OS X is performance. Now I'm going out on a limb here, since my switch from Hack to Mac was a substantial hardware upgrade. I went from a 2.5 GHz Intel Celeron to a 2.0 GHz Intel Core Duo, from 1GB of RAM to 2GB of RAM, and from an Intel GMA 900 to an Intel GMA 950. As you can see, I have a feeling the majority of what I'm noticing is from that hardware upgrade and does not have anything to do with custom tailored Apple hardware. I'm still going to mention my findings though, because they may mean something to someone.

 

The first major difference I noticed is with the video. Animations run smoother, and things just feel snappier. On top of that, colors look more vibrant. Previously I felt that the colors of OS X were washed out and never looked that good. I calibrated the color profile several times, and could never get it looking the way I wanted. Now with my MacBook, the colors look great and no longer suffer from that washed out look. I should probably clarify here, since I know I'm going to get some person tell me it's because of the glossy screen on the MacBook. I'm not comparing the screen of the MacBook at all. I'm comparing the colors of OS X through my LCD monitor. I should also mention that I have re-calibrated the MacBook's color profile, so it has nothing to do with the color profile that ships with the MacBook.

 

Yet another performance enhancement I have noticed has been Rosetta. Previously on OSx86, I dreaded every time I had to use a PowerPC application. The performance of Rosetta was so bad I could barely use it at all. Word was so slow it couldn't even keep up with my typing speed. I couldn't even get Photoshop to load without leaving my computer on overnight. Alright, that last statement was a bit exaggerated, but it certainly did take a while. Now with a real Mac, Rosetta runs like Apple's been demoing since day one. I can barely tell that Word is a PowerPC application and Photoshop runs well enough that I no longer have to switch to Windows for my Photoshop work.

 

Conclusions

 

So, that brings me to the crux of this article, is OSx86 good enough as a real Mac? Being an OSx86 user for sometime, I can say that the hacked version of OS X isn't too far off from the real thing. By running OSx86 you certainly have all the features that real Macs have, but you miss out when it comes to performance. You can keep your operating system up to date, but it takes some time until you can finally install the updates, and on larger updates you often miss out on hardware enhancements. On top of that, just to run OSx86 you need to have the right hardware, otherwise you'll be missing out on key features of the OS, or end up doing some funky things to get them to work. So overall, it's not bad, you just have to do some work to maintain the operating system.

 

Now of course, you need to keep in mind that there is always the threat of Apple putting an end to the OSx86 community altogether. Sure, OS X may work on generic PCs now, but when 10.5 Leopard comes around, Apple could easily add things that prevent generic machines from functioning. You could always use the last version, but I know how I function when I don't have the latest and greatest. I feel like I'm missing out on something, and I hate that feeling.

 

I personally think that OSx86 is perfect for what it's there for. I look at it as a transition point. It's a way for geeks who might not have the chance to try OS X and give it a test run. If they're curious like I was on using Mac, they can try it without the high costs of buying a Mac. If they like it and they're interested in becoming a serious Mac user, they'll buy a Mac sometime down the road. It may not be immediately, but at some point they will buy one. I say that because I can't see anyone going through all the trouble of updating the OS for the rest of their lives. Eventually it will get annoying and the person will either buy a Mac or go back to using Windows.

 

So, in my opinion, OSx86 is a perfect for a certain group of people. It's not something that you're going to run as your main machine for the rest of your life. You're going to try it for a while and then either go back to Windows or buy a real Mac. I don't think Apple has to fear OSx86, since it's not meant for everyone. The people who are going to use it are potential Mac users, and OSx86 is simply their trial disk.


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I was working with my Dad to pick a notebook for school; and I was like "oh yeah I need the 512MB graphics card and a 17" screen! with like 1920x1200 res!!! omg!

 

So umm, finally I was like... well my current 15" 4:3 notebook has like.. an hour of battery life, is 11 lbs, I hate it... I can't take it anywhere, it's too heavy and way too big.... and that brought me down to earth that I needed something thin and light and with just enough to take notes, and stuff.

 

So I said all sly-like to my dad "so, what do you think about MacBook's?" and he was like all bright-eyed all of-a-sudden. He knew I had made a good choice. He had read that they were basically perfect for going off to school. Does everything you need and more, is thin, is light, is virus and malware free.

 

So I knew I was going to get the MacBook, the only problem then was I had to earn half to pay for it and I wanted the black one so I knew I had to raise about 800$ to pay for it all including taxes for my half. So I found some stuff around my room and old computer stuff to sell on forums/ebay and did a ton of work around the house for my parents, stained the deck furniture, washed the dog and their cars a ton, helped him build new shelves for the garage and just a ton of stuff. I didn't have a real job so I settled for anything I could get. Eventually I worked up my half, and my mom knew I worked hard to get it so she said she'd not take the money from me and instead let me keep it.

 

Right when my dad and I decided I was going to get the MacBook I went upstairs, and I knew it was x86 and I knew I had downloaded the Deadmoo image previously but it didn't work for me, so I wanted to see how it came along. I found a MyZar 10.4.5 DVD on Demonoid or somewhere and installed that on the laptop mentioned above.

 

It didn't all work perfect, but it was enough for me to get acclimated to the OS for the weeks ahead that I'd worked for so when I picked up the MacBook for real I could just jump right in and know exactly what was up. I fell in love with the OS and have since installed it on my desktop off and on a few times. It's not the same as a real mac though, so I'm just running Vista there, and I leave the Mac OS work to my notebook.

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Well my reply on page 5 is OLD and my attitude has changed, thus I have my iBook. I still don't like jobs, but I would buy a new mac if I had the side money. Why have I changed? Hacks are great but the maintenance is high, to me at least. My iBook, I turn it on and do what I need to, power it off. No problems, no hassles, nothing. It works. I still have my hack that is used when I need more CPU horsepower, but nothing else.

 

When I posted that on page 5, the new intels were lacking and over priced. Now, the iMac is a deal, the Mini is an OK deal (need 1 gig ram standard), Macbook is a deal, and the Mac Pro's are phenomenal deals. The Macbook Pro's are in my opinion the only bad thing. To high for what you get, by MY opinion. It took a bit, but the new Intel Mac lines are the {censored}. I want a desktop, just don't know what. A Mac Pro would be nice, but may not be able to get one. The new cube that is suppose to replace the Mini would be the PERFECT machine for me. Upgradable and a Mac.

 

Over time, when you use a hack you do one of two things:

  1. Stay with the hack and love the hacking/updating it.
  2. Get tired of the hacking and want the real thing.

I went with 2. I am a computer scientist (degrees)/system administrator and I just don't want to deal with {censored} at home, thus a real Mac is it. I was kind of narrow minded in the beginning with hackintosh, but in time I changed. Macs are great and I recommend them to everybody, whether they get one or not.

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It's quite sad really, that in my country (New Zealand), I have to pay $3,899 US for a 17" Macbook Pro... if I were in America I would only have to pay $2,799 US for the same system.

 

Consider yourselves lucky.

 

Here, in Brazil, I have to pay U$ 7.000,00. :boxing:

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I too did the OSx86 install on my Vaio laptop, and fell in love with the OS. I used it for several months and had almost everything working (after changing the internal wireless card to a Dell Truemobile 1450) Could not get the cardbus slot to work though. I had a dual boot setup because all my phone modding software was PC based. When a friend put bootcamp on his Macbook pro, I decided the time had come to make the jump. Bought a Macbook and gave the laptop to my son after doing a full restore back to factory. I'm happy he's happy everybody wins. I know many will say that for the price you get more pc etc.... But like the commercials say "It just works" (not to mention no more concerns about updates puking my system)

Just my two cents...

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Here, in Brazil, I have to pay U$ 7.000,00. :)

 

Oh my God. I just did a currency conversion from a 17" MacBook Pro I found via Google that cost Brazilian $12,999.00 and it converts to about $6850.00 in US dollars. What the hell?

 

Are all computers that expensive there? Or just Macs?

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Oh my God. I just did a currency conversion from a 17" MacBook Pro I found via Google that cost Brazilian $12,999.00 and it converts to about $6850.00 in US dollars. What the hell?

 

Are all computers that expensive there? Or just Macs?

 

Macs are really expensive here in Brazil. That´s why many people can´t buy it here. Even mac minis are kind of expensive (U$1700,00).

 

All computers are expensive in Brazil? Not really. You can find some Pentium D, Athlon and some Core 2 Duo for reasonable prices.

 

But...good parts are expensive, if you want to buy it in good stores, paying taxes and everything (like everybody should do):

 

. Core 2 Duo E6700: U$ 650,00

. VGA PCI-E nVIDIA 8800GTS: U$ 1.000,00

 

this may be a dumb question but why is it soo much? tariffs, taxes, just apple being a jerk?

 

In my opinion, all these things. Apple is thinking about to open an Apple Store here. We´ll see what´s going to happen with the prices.

 

You guys can´t believe what a Ipod cost here...

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Macs are really expensive here in Brazil. That´s why many people can´t buy it here. Even mac minis are kind of expensive (U$1700,00).

 

All computers are expensive in Brazil? Not really. You can find some Pentium D, Athlon and some Core 2 Duo for reasonable prices.

 

But...good parts are expensive, if you want to buy it in good stores, paying taxes and everything (like everybody should do):

 

. Core 2 Duo E6700: U$ 650,00

. VGA PCI-E nVIDIA 8800GTS: U$ 1.000,00

In my opinion, all these things. Apple is thinking about to open an Apple Store here. We´ll see what´s going to happen with the prices.

 

You guys can´t believe what a Ipod cost here...

 

Same thing in Guatemala, Central America, everything is expensive so getting a real mac is just for some rich guys, that's why I use my hackintosh instead of buying a real mac :P

 

Until apple sets a real mac store here in were the prices can go cheaper, apple wont gain more users.

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Here in Costa Rica the 20-inch iMac is about $600 more expensive than US , I am using my hackintosh but planning to buy an Imac at the end of the year.

Maybe a friend that is plannig to travel US can buy it for me :P .

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Here in Europe Macs are more expensive too, because we pay in euros what in the US they pay in dollars.

Thus we pay 35/40% more. See my fav Mac Pro configuration in my sig: buying it in euros would cost me $1050 more at least!

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I have gone from Macintosh to Hackintosh, well not really cause I still use my Mac mini, but I do like the fact that the Hackintosh hardware can be upgraded really easily. I find my config:

 

Asrock Conroe945-DVI

1GB DDR2 667

1.83 Core2Duo

250GB SATA HDD

Superdrive (DVR-110)

GMA950

 

was a mere $400 canadian to put together with a case, and this was in the very first days when the duo core chips were released. The chip was the most expensive part. But there are limitations of course. After playing some more I am looking forward to just selling my Mac mini G4 and core 2 duo machine and purchase a macbook.

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attn: all those that complain about the price of Apple computers

 

please take a step back and compare our current Macbooks.

right now, in Canada, 1300 dollars will buy you a 2.16ghz Macbook with 1 gig of ram, Sdrive, 120gb hd.

1300 dollars will get you an Acer lappy with a 1.7ghz Core Duo [32-bit, not core2duo]

 

macs are not super expensive anymore.

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Macs are really expensive here in Brazil. That´s why many people can´t buy it here. Even mac minis are kind of expensive (U$1700,00).

 

All computers are expensive in Brazil? Not really. You can find some Pentium D, Athlon and some Core 2 Duo for reasonable prices.

 

But...good parts are expensive, if you want to buy it in good stores, paying taxes and everything (like everybody should do):

 

. Core 2 Duo E6700: U$ 650,00

. VGA PCI-E nVIDIA 8800GTS: U$ 1.000,00

In my opinion, all these things. Apple is thinking about to open an Apple Store here. We´ll see what´s going to happen with the prices.

 

You guys can´t believe what a Ipod cost here...

 

 

I´m from Brazil too and I have to agree. For the cost of a real mac here, it´s like they're begging us to use a hackingtosh.

 

But even with the machines so expensive, the reason I still don´t have a mac is because I didn´t find one that really matches with myself. I would buy a Mac Pro but it would cost more than my 2 years old car :P And an iMac would be perfect if it came with a more powerful graphics card (not that it´s all bad, but for someone already used to a 7900 or 8800...). I´m a pc gammer and Microsoft certified programmer so I guess I´ll have to live in the two worlds for a while.

 

By the way: The iPod in Brazil is the most expensive in the world:

 

http://www.comsec.com.au/public/news.aspx?id=809

 

http://www.thelocal.se/6141/20070119/

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I find apples current lineup lacking for my needs.

I want to be able to have a good amount of hd space and a decent gfx-card, so that rules out the mini + imacs.

since I dont use apps that use 2x cpus or feel like paying extra for slower ECC ram, that rules out mac pro

 

Its borring apple doesnt have anything between mobile cpu/gfx solutions (mini and imacs) and workstation cpus (mac pro) a mac pro light would be perfect, single socket 775 system with pci-e gfx card, but wait thats a hackintosh...

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I bought a MacPro in December and it's a bit too much machine for all I intend to use it for. PCs will probably always be my first choice because I've got too many years and too much irreplacible software invested in them. My Apple dreamlist would be the 24" iMac with either 2 eSata ports built in or at least a PCI-e card slot that would allow for eSata expansion. I'm not a gamer so the current 256mb gfx card is fine for me.

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I spent a lot of time trying to get Mac OS X running smoothly on my old Inspiron 9400 laptop, only for it to fall over some time after. I've given up, sold my laptop and today purchased a new 17" iMac. The OS X experience on a real Apple computer is so much better imho.

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