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cmdshft
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Adaptation, my friend. Not everything is copied and stolen. Although parts may be, many others are not, and should never be the deciding factor on a product. To be honest, I'd prefer Windows Mobile 7 over the iPhone anyday, as long as it supports MMS and virtually free access to the device (like my Chocolate).

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Nothing in Windows was actually made by Microsoft if you were to dig deep deep into it and really look. It's how they work, Microsoft takes other's ideas and makes it their own and sells it in a cheaper package. And it works well for them.

 

Remember where Apple got OS X from? Where did Steve Jobs come from? They bought NeXT and the NeXTSTEP OS, and a couple of years later BOOM, OS X. Microsoft isn't the only one that does this.

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Remember where Apple got OS X from? Where did Steve Jobs come from? They bought NeXT and the NeXTSTEP OS, and a couple of years later BOOM, OS X. Microsoft isn't the only one that does this.

 

 

yes, excellent point.... that i never even really though of! thats so true though.

 

 

& it looks like vista in those shots.... your point is?

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Remember where Apple got OS X from? Where did Steve Jobs come from? They bought NeXT and the NeXTSTEP OS, and a couple of years later BOOM, OS X. Microsoft isn't the only one that does this.

 

 

eh?, NeXTSTEP was more than 10 years before OS X, Jobs founded Apple BTW and did this before NeXTSTEP was even created. How can you copy ideas from a company you setup in the first place?

HotBreeze
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I think Apple with MacOS Classic and Xerox done the same Microsoft do now with Apple. All concepts of an GUI was copied from Xerox PARC. [EDIT: Hara, aswered?]

 

You can tell anything you want about Microsoft File and Edit menus, but as a Windows Programmer, I can tell you - File and Edit menus on Windows are bad planned by Microsoft or, maybe, by developers too. On File, you can find Application Preferences... It's wrong, all wrong... Apple doesn't differs a lot from Windows because it design look amazing. The difference are the system planning and study, about how peoples can find the things easy on a graphical interface, on Windows you run in circles about 4 times to do simple things. Vista has changed some things about easy access - Now you have centers for all things, an new wrong concept, first day, I delayed about 2 hours to config my Wireless network with WPA2-Personal with TKIP, why? On MacOS X the same config was make by clicking on System Preferences, Network, one click on Wireless, and type the password, on Vista, I spent 2 hours to find the {censored} of "Network Center" and more 3 hours to discover that Vista doesnt saving WPA2-TKIP passwords (First OEM releases...). I believe Apple think really different. I'm not the "Master of Knowledge", but only trying to do an thoughts exchange. [sorry for my bad english]

cmdshft
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Pretty much, Derek. My point is that people who bash a company because they merely think they copied an idea should make sure to do a little research about the supposedly infringed upon company and see if they hadn't done something similar.

 

No company is perfect, and those who bash them dont understand. Microsoft is not always the central problem, but because a lot of problems occur in the Windows environment, they automatically assume it's Microsoft's fault since they wrote the OS, when it may in fact be ATI's fault for writing a {censored} GFX driver which causes memory allocation issues and force a BSoD. See my point now?

Forceman
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Pretty much, Derek. My point is that people who bash a company because they merely think they copied an idea should make sure to do a little research about the supposedly infringed upon company and see if they hadn't done something similar.

 

No company is perfect, and those who bash them dont understand. Microsoft is not always the central problem, but because a lot of problems occur in the Windows environment, they automatically assume it's Microsoft's fault since they wrote the OS, when it may in fact be ATI's fault for writing a {censored} GFX driver which causes memory allocation issues and force a BSoD. See my point now?

 

Right but you know it's how the OS handles the error, should the OS just go to a BSOD and forget about it or should it try to resolve the error. Microsoft blame most of their stability issues on drivers, what does that say for the Windows platform in regard to drivers, Microsoft are the only one that can make drivers work or everyone else is {censored} at drivers?

QuietOC
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engadget published an gallery with the photos of new Microsoft Windows Mobile, the version 7. It look like anything you know?

It's just a look. I have a computer that runs Windows CE.NET 4.2, the predecessor/foundations of Windows Mobile. As far as Windows Mobile -- I don't like computers without keyboards, but it's cool to have a machine that starts instantly (Is this possible with x86?). Its too bad Handheld PCs were priced out of exisitence. Touch screens make a lot more sense than mice--even with the smudges.

cmdshft
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Microsoft implements Digital Driver Signing to ensure consumers that the device and the driver for the device are fully compatible. Ever notice the little warning that pops up with some drivers that say "Warning!" and ask you to stop or continue the installation? If you hit continue, it then bears responsibility on first the driver developer, and second, the user for installing said driver. How is it Microsoft's fault?

 

Plus, from my time using Vista, the OS handles errors in a much better manner than it used to with 98/2000/XP. If the video driver stops responding and fails completely, it can reinitialize it on the fly and in very little time without having to restart. Only in extreme cases will it BSoD instead of reinitialize a driver. So that for one is a great improvement in my opinion. But you fanboi's love to miss valid points like that because you're stuck up about you favorite OS. While OS X is my favorite, I still value Windows and Linux as extremely useful OS's.

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You can't compare the two. Apple is a hardware company, so it would go without saying that they write drivers for their own hardware, and if those drivers would work poorly with OS X, they'd by gigantic twits, since Apple makes OS X as well.

Microsoft on the other hand is a software company, they have no hand whatsoever in the construction of pc's. Peripherals not taken in account of course.

In short, Microsoft can not do better than try to provide generalistic drivers for some hardware, since they don't make anything substantial.

So it would have to be that everyone sucks at writing drivers.

Atleast in Vista 64 bit, all drivers have to be signed by MS :D

QuietOC
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You can't compare the two. Apple is a hardware company, so it would go without saying that they write drivers for their own hardware, and if those drivers would work poorly with OS X, they'd by gigantic twits, since Apple makes OS X as well.

Ah, Apple doesn't make any hardware components. They have Apple logos applied to hardware other people make for them. I am pretty sure the same companies are generally responsible for writing the OSX drivers for those components too. No doubt Intel did a lot of that to get Apple to buy their chips. I wouldn't even be surprised if Microsoft actually wrote alot of OSX drivers, if they do work like that. Microsoft has more Mac programmers than any other company after all.

Forceman
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Microsoft implements Digital Driver Signing to ensure consumers that the device and the driver for the device are fully compatible. Ever notice the little warning that pops up with some drivers that say "Warning!" and ask you to stop or continue the installation? If you hit continue, it then bears responsibility on first the driver developer, and second, the user for installing said driver. How is it Microsoft's fault?

 

Plus, from my time using Vista, the OS handles errors in a much better manner than it used to with 98/2000/XP. If the video driver stops responding and fails completely, it can reinitialize it on the fly and in very little time without having to restart. Only in extreme cases will it BSoD instead of reinitialize a driver. So that for one is a great improvement in my opinion. But you fanboi's love to miss valid points like that because you're stuck up about you favorite OS. While OS X is my favorite, I still value Windows and Linux as extremely useful OS's.

 

You mean like these people? http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=86550

 

A blank screen like my mate used to get is no better than a BSOD, you still have to restart the OS to get back to working. It annoys the {censored} out of people, oh what a surprise problem solved then!

HotBreeze
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We PAY for Microsoft Windows, WE PAY A LOT for an Software to it WORK, not to see a {censored} of message everytime you change your USB mouse to another port, telling you have to install an driver. Hara Taiki, yes, Windows are an multihardware OS. MacOS X (10.4) runs AMAZING on a lot of hardware, with some hacks, and dont blame you about peripehals. ATI Driver on MacOS X dont give you problems, but on Microsoft give? Memory Allocation? I think ATI drivers passed Microsoft Driver Labs...

 

Then, I ever try to dont blame Microsoft, but... It makes thing harder than it are...

socal swimmer
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I hate to point this out, but Apple doesn't write drivers either.

 

The graphics drivers come from nvidia and ATI (AMD), the printer drivers come from the printer companies, etc.

 

And i find it interesting that i had better out of box support on my hackintosh with OS X than Vista. On vista, i had to install drivers for graphics, sound, chipset, and everything. On OS X, just the sound had to be patched.

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