Windows RG Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Ok well I noticed that when i play Halo for the mac i get better play on my GMA950 Than my XFX 6800 XT 512mb. Ya i know 512mb isnt supposed to work with Natit but it does for some weird reason, even recognized as 512mb in OS X. So... Do the Intel cards get better preformance the Natit or Titan cards. I seems that way on my machine but i need to kno wut you guys think. im going to do xbench on both to see. all in all i hope i dont have outdated natit drivers. (I Have the ones that came eith the !0.4.8 CD). Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56488-intel-graphics-better-then-all-others/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
delish Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Look in system profiler under Graphics/Displays does it says Core Image: supported Quartz Extreme: supported with your 6800 card? if it doesn't then your driver isn't working and you run basic vga mode that explain poor performance. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56488-intel-graphics-better-then-all-others/#findComment-403584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windows RG Posted July 7, 2007 Author Share Posted July 7, 2007 Yes i have QE/CI but its the same story for my 5200 and my 6800. the intel seems better in games than my Nvidia cards. i will post xbench results here soon. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56488-intel-graphics-better-then-all-others/#findComment-403588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bptba93 Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 6800 was never an Apple Supported card, meaning there were never in the Mac Computers, as far as I know, the operating system was optimized for certain systems, and those certain system such as the Mac Mini and Macbook have Intel GMA. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56488-intel-graphics-better-then-all-others/#findComment-403741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 that doesnt make any sense, the intel GMAs were on the market before apple even released/announced intel systems. also a video card is simply a video card. apple writes all the drivers for the intel gmas, nvidia cards, and ati cards (they get the source and other things). while some intel gmas might "perform" better with artificial tests in 2D such as xbench ({censored}), they are infact {censored} for anything but reading text on screen and doing some simple things. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56488-intel-graphics-better-then-all-others/#findComment-403758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shredplayer Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 but it's detected as PCI, so it's using the PCI bandwith.. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56488-intel-graphics-better-then-all-others/#findComment-403764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bptba93 Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 that doesnt make any sense, the intel GMAs were on the market before apple even released/announced intel systems. also a video card is simply a video card. apple writes all the drivers for the intel gmas, nvidia cards, and ati cards (they get the source and other things). while some intel gmas might "perform" better with artificial tests in 2D such as xbench ({censored}), they are infact {censored} for anything but reading text on screen and doing some simple things. 2nd the crappy intel gmas, my lappy runs WoW on lowest settings with FPS in the 10-15 range. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56488-intel-graphics-better-then-all-others/#findComment-403902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azurael Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 6800 was never an Apple Supported card, meaning there were never in the Mac Computers, as far as I know, the operating system was optimized for certain systems, and those certain system such as the Mac Mini and Macbook have Intel GMA. There was the 6800 Ultra & GT DDL cards which were a BTO option in the G5 at one point, and the first cards with a dual link DVI port (hence DDL) and able to use the 30" ACD. I ran a flashed PC 6800 Ultra with no problems for a number of months in my Quicksilver G4 too, so I don't think that theory holds much water. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56488-intel-graphics-better-then-all-others/#findComment-403919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bptba93 Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 like i said, i wasn't sure Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56488-intel-graphics-better-then-all-others/#findComment-403971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveNZ Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Yes i have QE/CI but its the same story for my 5200 and my 6800. the intel seems better in games than my Nvidia cards. i will post xbench results here soon. It shouldn't be "BEtter". If any intel chipset video is giving better scores than any nvidia/ati card of the last 3 or so years, then there's something wrong with your install. The intel chips have only the bare minimum of 3d acceleration functions, as well as very low fillrates & clock speed, not to mention sharing the onboard ram in most (all?) cases. They are almost completely useless for playing any 3d accelerated game made this decade. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56488-intel-graphics-better-then-all-others/#findComment-404136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vin Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 It shouldn't be "BEtter". If any intel chipset video is giving better scores than any nvidia/ati card of the last 3 or so years, then there's something wrong with your install. The intel chips have only the bare minimum of 3d acceleration functions, as well as very low fillrates & clock speed, not to mention sharing the onboard ram in most (all?) cases. They are almost completely useless for playing any 3d accelerated game made this decade. i adding one more point. GMA950 don't have T&L hardware acceleration. It totally doesn't make sense that GMA950 can pwn 6800XT Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56488-intel-graphics-better-then-all-others/#findComment-404457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windows RG Posted July 10, 2007 Author Share Posted July 10, 2007 ok well maybe xbench isnt the best app to do this with then.. how about geekbench?? they both got the same score in xbench. but in vista the GMA was rated 2.0 and the 6800 was rated 8.1. the 5200 rated 5.1. a little wierd. its a new install as well im using 10.4.8 Jas. is their a new Natit or somthing?? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56488-intel-graphics-better-then-all-others/#findComment-404996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarahbau Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 ok well maybe xbench isnt the best app to do this with then.. how about geekbench?? they both got the same score in xbench. but in vista the GMA was rated 2.0 and the 6800 was rated 8.1. the 5200 rated 5.1. a little wierd. its a new install as well im using 10.4.8 Jas. is their a new Natit or somthing?? GeekBench has no graphics tests. Which test are you talking about in XBench? It does 7 tests, and gives a total score. Three of the tests use the video card - Quartz, OpenGL, and User Interface. My 7600GT gets 106.1, 113.63, and 192.61 respectively in those tests. As someone above said though, xbench is pretty useless for testing graphics. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56488-intel-graphics-better-then-all-others/#findComment-405105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windows RG Posted July 12, 2007 Author Share Posted July 12, 2007 I learned that xbench does very basic 3d tests thats why i have the same scores... so im going to re-instal 10.4.8 and install natit and test framerates in Halo Doom 3 COD2 and Quake 4 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56488-intel-graphics-better-then-all-others/#findComment-406357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexrah Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 Ok well I noticed that when i play Halo for the mac i get better play on my GMA950 Windows RG, U can run 3d apps with a GMA 950 on hackintosh? cos i cant, they just crash Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56488-intel-graphics-better-then-all-others/#findComment-406853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windows RG Posted July 12, 2007 Author Share Posted July 12, 2007 get the gma 950 drivers Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56488-intel-graphics-better-then-all-others/#findComment-406869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch_de Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Forget Xbench OpenGL values !!!! It uses only very small opengl window and only OpenGL 1.2 features. You should download OpenGL Extensions Viewer (freeare, from macupdate.com or versiontracker.com) and you will see much differences in the TEST section of that tool betwwen GMA950 and much faster NV 6800. Use much as possible resolution your tft/monitor can handle and run the test. These Tool checks and benches all OpenGL features up to OpenGL 2.1, which gives an near real life value of every opengl card. Also you can see which OpenGL features from 1.2 to 2.1 your hardare and os x driver supports. Xbench OpenGL values are like throw a dice (with newer grafikcards). Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56488-intel-graphics-better-then-all-others/#findComment-407150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
consolation Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 The other option is that the game sets quality to ultra crappy when running intel and decent when running 6800. Since 950 has no vertex shaders Halo will run it only with the most basic graphics - that saves a lot of processing time = higher FPS, but a lot more {censored}. A 6800 will have it use full pixel and vertex shaders = less fps, but much higher quality. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56488-intel-graphics-better-then-all-others/#findComment-407176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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