Guest goodtime Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 (edited) I read rumors that Apple's DVD Player will sport a new interface and also support HD-DVD and Blue-Ray. Apple's website says that version 4.6 of DVD Player supports High Definition video and with DV Studio Pro 4 it can play authored HD-DVDs. But can it play HD-DVDs now? Many sites say no. I haven't found any concrete evidence from Apple about full support for HD-DVD and Blue-Ray, but I would think it needs to support these new standards. Right now I would like to use the USB HD-DVD Player for the Xbox on my Mac, but without software it's a little early to spend the 200 bucks for it. gt Edited February 4, 2007 by goodtime Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soündless Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 that would be pretty cool if they had support for that. we could finally burn 50gb bluray disks Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-293700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest goodtime Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 (edited) DiVX supports HD authoring. So the future will be HD Movie Downloads from Movie services and iTunes vs. HD-DVD and Blue-Ray Media, Ethernet to the Home could kill HD-DVD and Blue-Ray. As of now CDs are experiencing a slow painful death from MP3s and iTunes. Is Blockbuster in trouble? gt Edited February 4, 2007 by goodtime Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-293811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernalzero Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 downloadable movies, etc do have a great market and will put blockbuster/net flix in an interesting situation if they become more popular. I've already enjoyed downloading on my 360 for some time now and it's great. Takes some time even on 5mb cable to download but it's nice to watch HD movies on the plasma without spending more $$$ for another drive. I expect apple to be on the fence and support both HD-DVD and bluRay until the dust has settled. It's cheaper not to take a stance right now just simply because it might limit their future deals with movie companies for itunes sales. Sony owns bluRay and plenty of movies from the sony empire while microsoft has backers in hollywood for HD-DVD. If apple waits until the battle is over they'll save money in the long run. I'm sure it'll be upto the buyer which drive they have installed when they buy their mac and if you can just swap out the drives and replace them it won't screw over the customers. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-293928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Bond Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 I don't think it's quite right thus far to signal the death of the CD. While it's hard to argue with the exploding popularity of digital music, particularly fuelled by iTunes, the fact remains that CD's still make up 80-90% of music sales today. Not everyone likes the idea of buying digital songs; I for one, miss the fact that I'm not getting a physical copy of music, to use/copy/play wherever and whenever I like, in addition to my album artwork/sleeves. Then again, it seems to be the growing trend that people don't buy music for albums anymore, simply picking and choosing the "best" songs, an ideology that's practically driven the downloadable music phenomenon. But I'm going off topic...I'll save it for the Pop Culture forum. I'm doubting Apple's player would have support for both HD-DVD *and* Blu-ray, especially because, afaik, Apple is supporting the Blu-ray side of the Hi-def DVD wars. And if Apple is supporting Blu-Ray, I'm sure you won't find HD-DVD in Mac anytime soon...so why offer the support? That'll be up to the third parties. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-293935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zealot Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 i will definetly buy the Hd dvd player for my Xbox360 if Apple gave us support . I think the offer from companies like blockbuster has to be online like Itunes store.Otherwise they will be dead sooner or later. Zealot Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-293938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernalzero Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 you can run blu-ray based hardware on windows without trouble and M$ is all about HD-DVD. With apple trying to branch out and be more appealing to as many customers as possible I wouldn't expect them to have no support for both platforms. If you want to put either in your system shoudl be up to the consumer and I think apple will do that, whether they provide an option to have either pre-installed when you order is a different thing. who knows though until it actually happens. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-295012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbz Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Yeah I think we'll see both formats. Eventually, I think it will narrow down to one, as the format war ends. But then again, the fact that there even is a format war is a headache for consumers... do you think maybe well see only one, for the sake of simplicity, and an option for the high end machines? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-295099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest goodtime Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Yeah I think we'll see both formats. Eventually, I think it will narrow down to one, as the format war ends. But then again, the fact that there even is a format war is a headache for consumers... do you think maybe well see only one, for the sake of simplicity, and an option for the high end machines? Hopefully, there will be a combo drive for PCs. Or if the price comes down enough. We can have both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray in a PC. I could see having a Blu-Ray burner and a HD-DVD reader on my Macs at home. gt Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-295109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest goodtime Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 (edited) Since I now have an HD monitor (2407WFP which I love), I decided to test a few 1080p Movie Trailers on my Hackintosh with my GeForce 7300 GT Card. The results were not as smooth as I was hoping. Playback was noticeably choppy at it would not sustain 24 FPS, it fluctuated from 15-20. I tested some 720p Movie Trailers of the same shows and at full screen (double size), it played pretty good. I could not tell a big difference in movie quaility from 720p to 1080p. Also many older cards do not support DCHP. I don't think my GeForce 7300 GT does. Plus the current cards that have DHCP support hog the CPU to do most of the decrypting and decoding for HD. Looks like if we want to watch HD movies, many users might just download 720p pirated versions and play it on their existing equipment. I am not saying this is right, but this is already happening. Since you will need a hefty CPU for DCHP, a DHCP GPU, and a DHCP HD Monitor. This is going to slow down the progress of people buying into HD-DVD and Blu-Ray even more. It might actually encourage pirated 720p movies. Or people may just stick with playing their existing DVDs which to me still look great even on my HD 2407WFP monitor. This is another case in point that DRM does not work. Early adopters might get into HD and upgrade their systems (GPU,CPU,Monitor,MOBO,etc), rich people will get HD Home theaters, but the rest of us will probably wait for HD to be fully supported by the GPU instead of the CPU which is probably 1-2 years away. I will probably get an Xbox360 with the HD-DVD drive, or get a PS3 if I really want watch HD Movies. It does not look like my current system will be fast enough to decode and decrypt 1080p HD movies in XP or Vista. A separate player might be better. Until then, looks many of us may be headed to the torrent sites and download 720p versions which most of today's PCs can handle and the DRM has been removed which equals less CPU cycles. Cheers, HD-gt Edited February 8, 2007 by goodtime Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-297607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickg331 Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 the question is will apple start including bluray and hddvd drives in their computers... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-299807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takuro Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 I'm doubting Apple's player would have support for both HD-DVD *and* Blu-ray, especially because, afaik, Apple is supporting the Blu-ray side of the Hi-def DVD wars. And if Apple is supporting Blu-Ray, I'm sure you won't find HD-DVD in Mac anytime soon...so why offer the support? That'll be up to the third parties. So far, most of the companies that affiliated themselves with Blu-Ray are now supporting a policy of employing combo drive that can read HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. Of course, Sony doesn't follow this practice because they are one of the major developers of Blu-Ray technology. On the flip-side, most companies that affiliated themselves with HD-DVD aren't using combo drives and will only support HD-DVD. I think Apple will follow this trend. The reasoning is this: HD-DVD will have much more immediate success due to its availability and relatively cheaper price. Even Blu-Ray supporters can see this, so they use combo drives. Eventually, Blu-Ray will gain more popularity once prices come down, especially when demand for higher capacity discs arises. There will definitely be a point where HD-DVD and Blu-Ray coexist and both receive widespread use simultaneously. However, HD-DVD supporters like to pretend that Blu-Ray will never come into practical use and that capacity demands will never go beyond 50gb. I'm 80% sure Apple will use a combo drive, 20% sure they will only support Blu-Ray, and 0% sure that they'll support only HD-DVD. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-299938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
macgirl Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Now we only need that iTunes sell HD Movies, TV Shows and other videos Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-299987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickg331 Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 iTunes selling HD content would be sick... a combo drive of blueray player and HDDVD player would up the price of the computer a lot though? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-300033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest goodtime Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 (edited) the question is will apple start including bluray and hddvd drives in their computers... When 10.5. is released and it does support HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, it will immediately start selling computers with either a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. It would be crazy not to, plus including a Mac that supports either or both formats would boost sales. If I want to watch HD-DVD movies, I need a HDCP compatible Video Card (my 7300 GT is does not that I know of), I do have a HDCP monitor, then I would need a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray player. After all that, my CPU might not be fast enough to play 1080p content, so then I would probably just get a brand new mac that already supports it and it would be much faster. What's funny is video cards first got better because of Prepress and Graphic Design. Next Video Gamers needed better video cards, now HD computers need better video cards and Processors to keep up with HD-DVD decyption. Seems endless. Computer manufacturers should have a Computer Club Membership. For $1000/yr. Apple could send you a new computer. A year later if you return that computer, Apple would send you another new one as long as you keep your membership in good standing. If you opt out of the Membership, then you would owe Apple the balance due on the $2500 machine ($1500) and could keep the computer which would probably be obsolete in another year because of some new technology. I would probably pay $1000/yr. if I was guaranteed a computer that would be up-to-date on both the hardware and software side. Think about it, we probably pay Cable this much and see don't get better service year after year for the same money. gt http://gtpcmac.blogspot.com Edited February 11, 2007 by goodtime Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-300105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickg331 Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 yea but think about how high the prices of hd dvd players and blue ray players are SEPARATELY right now, and to add in a combo drive is going to jack up the price hundreds of dollars which people dont want to and will not pay. its going to be just like the dvd player, in a year or two there will be a winner and prices will plummet. until then apple should simply provide support, but not the drive. that way, users who dont want it wont have to pay for it but the users who do can go buy their own drive Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-300247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgrimes80 Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 at one time, dvd players were outrageously priced... give it time Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-300271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soündless Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 i remember that, i think that blu ray and hd dvd will be like vcr and betamax, everyone will buy equipment for one, and then the other one will dominate the market, and everyone will have to buy the other. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-300317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickg331 Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 yea thats exactly what im saying. apple shouldnt take sides until the dust has settled and prices have dropped, that way they wont have to worry about picking the wrong side and buyers wont have to pay a huge extra cost for something they wont necessarily use. if the buyers DO want it, they can go get an external one Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-300356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soündless Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 i would be pissed off if i bought one and the other was the one that won. if apple can make a hd dvd and bluray drive, that would be ok Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-300438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandmanfvrga Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 IF Apple did this, it would be huge. Apple users could not have to worry which one wins, you could burn both. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-300439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soündless Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 i assume it would be just like a cd/dvd drive Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-300442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgrimes80 Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 i assume it would be just like a cd/dvd drive What would they call it? the "Super Duper Drive" lol Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-300465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest goodtime Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 What would they call it? the "Super Duper Drive" lol lol... Super Duper Drive. I like that one. gt Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-300743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandmanfvrga Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Super Duper Pooper Drive. heh Most Likely, Ultra Drive since that goes along with the naming scheme. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/41123-apple-to-support-hd-dvd-and-bluray-in-105/#findComment-300748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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