kuau Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 I guess what I mean is there a "time bomb" with what we are all running right now? Is there a patch to get around this? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/2757-when-does-osx86-1041-expire/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Mike Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 I guess what I mean is there a "time bomb" with what we are all running right now? Is there a patch to get around this? nope - i haven't seen any bombs in MAC OS ever Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/2757-when-does-osx86-1041-expire/#findComment-17624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryder Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 nope - i haven't seen any bombs in MAC OS ever Funny, that's not what the poster was asking! "Time bombs" are built-in pieces of code that expire the software at a given time (30 days, 15 hours, etc.). From what I've heard there are no timebombs in this version of the software. BUT: remember that with software update on, it contacts Apple's servers. I don't know if there is some code that allows Apple to send a "destruct" code to the OS. That remains to be seen. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/2757-when-does-osx86-1041-expire/#findComment-17644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Mike Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Funny, that's not what the poster was asking! "Time bombs" are built-in pieces of code that expire the software at a given time (30 days, 15 hours, etc.). From what I've heard there are no timebombs in this version of the software. BUT: remember that with software update on, it contacts Apple's servers. I don't know if there is some code that allows Apple to send a "destruct" code to the OS. That remains to be seen. Well i knew what he was talking abot, the answer is: NO Apple never used any time-bomb in OS 7/8/9/X - it's the systems I've/had on my b&w and my performa Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/2757-when-does-osx86-1041-expire/#findComment-17651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrana Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 10.4.1 is a total dead end. At some point, there won't be much software that runs it, and definitely future universal or x86 binaries won't. The ABI has changed once now, and I bet it changes at least one more time during the life of 10.4.x for x86. So, if you're on 10.4.1, expect to be stuck with no new apps at some point. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/2757-when-does-osx86-1041-expire/#findComment-17653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Mike Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 10.4.1 is a total dead end. At some point, there won't be much software that runs it, and definitely future universal or x86 binaries won't. The ABI has changed once now, and I bet it changes at least one more time during the life of 10.4.x for x86. So, if you're on 10.4.1, expect to be stuck with no new apps at some point. True - this is antoher bomb which could make osx86project fail - but i'm sure our gurus like maxxus and bender are hacking 10.4.2 right now - at least on guru must be there hacking the infineon chip. The secret is to em-/simulate the TPM-Chip an load it in advance to the system or as a kext???? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/2757-when-does-osx86-1041-expire/#findComment-17664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braveheart Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 I completly agree cyrana, My question, is anyone working on 10.4.2 for us all to have a play with? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/2757-when-does-osx86-1041-expire/#findComment-17665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
domino Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 I'm done with the playing, testing and all that. I've seen enough to know what to expect from the real deal. Now I have to weigh the alternatives and decide when the real thing is released. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/2757-when-does-osx86-1041-expire/#findComment-17669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoebus Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 I completly agree cyrana, My question, is anyone working on 10.4.2 for us all to have a play with? I don't think it has been leaked yet, while legit Apple TDK owners must keep their mouth shut.. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/2757-when-does-osx86-1041-expire/#findComment-17698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuau Posted September 20, 2005 Author Share Posted September 20, 2005 So Basically if 10.4.2 never makes it to "US" that will be the end of this project. Oh well I hope this does not happen, because it is sure nice having a great OS run on inexpensive fast hardware. I was checking out a mac mini the other day, G4 1.4 Gig, 1 gig ram, I think to me the machine runs like a turtle compared to my intel box I made to run 10.4.1 on. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/2757-when-does-osx86-1041-expire/#findComment-17721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtherealRemnant Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Considering that I've seen a few people post on here using "real" DTK machines... I'm sure its just a matter of time until the ISO is leaked. But the time to crack it, I fear, will be far longer than to crack this one. Apple isn't known for making mistakes twice... unlike Microsoft. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/2757-when-does-osx86-1041-expire/#findComment-18171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipxe Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Considering that I've seen a few people post on here using "real" DTK machines... I'm sure its just a matter of time until the ISO is leaked. But the time to crack it, I fear, will be far longer than to crack this one. Apple isn't known for making mistakes twice... unlike Microsoft. I don't think Apple made a mistake in the first place. Why spend time and effort trying to secure the TPM code when you can release a copy into the wild and let the public do it for you? At the same time give them a taste of the OS X beauty and gain future customers. When new apps start to not work woth 10.4.1 everyone who has grown to love their OSX, migrate their data, synch their iPods etc will have to face a tough decision: Go back to windows/linux or buy a real mac (if the community in fact can't crack 10.4.2/10.5). Jobs and the rest at Apple aren't stupid and there is a good reason why this site even still exists. Very valuable information is being gathered by Apple's engineers to patch up any holes that are discovered. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/2757-when-does-osx86-1041-expire/#findComment-18187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonehead Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 So Basically if 10.4.2 never makes it to "US" that will be the end of this project. Not the end, just a hiatus until OSX for Intel is released to the public in June on retail Macs. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/2757-when-does-osx86-1041-expire/#findComment-18284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiebeest Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 I don't think Apple made a mistake in the first place. Why spend time and effort trying to secure the TPM code when you can release a copy into the wild and let the public do it for you? Jobs and the rest at Apple aren't stupid and there is a good reason why this site even still exists. Very valuable information is being gathered by Apple's engineers to patch up any holes that are discovered. In fact, they should pay us for our efforts...or give us a free copy of the final product as a reward At the same time give them a taste of the OS X beauty and gain future customers. When new apps start to not work woth 10.4.1 everyone who has grown to love their OSX, migrate their data, synch their iPods etc will have to face a tough decision: Go back to windows/linux or buy a real mac (if the community in fact can't crack 10.4.2/10.5) And crack and/or patch any new version of Osx86 they will. If they want it badly enough they'll find a way, I believe, as long as there won't be hardware-based blocks or costum Intel CPU made just for Mac. The crucial thing is currently Mac's cost more, much more than x86/Windows pc's. Going over the counter for prices alot of people simply can not afford. This may prove not hold as a valid argument when apple releases their final product line in 2006 (Intel Mac mini, anyone?), but it is the case for now. So maybe alot of current x86 windows users get the taste of osx86 and find out they start to prefer it above windows, but they simply don't have the money for a whole new system. Though they may be prepared to purches osx86 as a os. That's what the amount of visitors on boards like these prove: that there is a market for osx86 and Apple would be wise to notice this and make it possible for dissatisfied windows users to switch to osx86 without full hadrware replacement. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/2757-when-does-osx86-1041-expire/#findComment-18303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metrogirl Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Not the end, just a hiatus until OSX for Intel is released to the public in June on retail Macs. I don't think so. First, many of us just love hacking, poking, testing, modifying - despite the risk that the rewards are short-lived. Second, we are almost certain to get the next dev release from somewhere soon. The way I see it Apple did the fundamental work already - the OS runs on Intel - and they won't change the entire package for no good reason, just bits and pieces. We should be able to stay on top of that... If they add more security it will be just that - an addition - and additions can be removed. Example - that seriously heavyweight Syncrosoft protection built into Cubase. It was cracked, albeit with enormous time and effort by people who just loved the challenge. It took more time to crack than the original application took to write but time wasn't an issue for the guys'n'gals who broke the algorithms. It's my guess that 10.4.2 will be cracked fairly quickly with bits taken from Darwin and 10.4.1 together with new patches built with the experience we've gained so far. To return to topic, I've seen nothing in the code I've got (deadmoo base plus fixes) that suggests the current x86 Tiger will expire. Setting the clock way forward has no bad effects. But if you were foolish enough to update from Apple you can be sure they'd send you something that would break everything, if only by (innocently) sending genuine files which would overwrite your Maxuss and other patches. I will be one of the first to try breaking whatever new security is built into the new release. Why? Because I love the challenge. Like many members I already own real Macs, I've paid plenty of money to Apple over the years and I really don't need to play around with OSx86 .... but it's the best fun I've had for ages. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/2757-when-does-osx86-1041-expire/#findComment-18305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
medafor Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 anything can be hacked/patched. companies always have press releases claiming to have fix there security flaws to discourage hackers. it always gets hacked again. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/2757-when-does-osx86-1041-expire/#findComment-18307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stelriah Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 why doesn apple just stop releasing darwin updates? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/2757-when-does-osx86-1041-expire/#findComment-18309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metrogirl Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 why doesn apple just stop releasing darwin updates? As it's a declared Open Source project it would be a major step for them to take and probably lead to an outcry from the community. Also, it almost doesn't matter now if Apple disconnect themselves from Darwin; it's out in the wild and has a life of its own. Someone, somewhere, will always be working on it. Just like Linux. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/2757-when-does-osx86-1041-expire/#findComment-18315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodo Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Darwin lends a lot from FreeBSD, so Apple has to publish their changed to the underlying system of Aqua for being conform with the GPL or which license ever holds for BSD...or am I on the wrong path? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/2757-when-does-osx86-1041-expire/#findComment-18320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pet1 Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 I have no intention of buying an apple computer ever. Never have. I simply have no "need" to make the switch. Everything I do, runs smooth and fast on my windows computer. Now, on the other hand, if apple releases an osx86 version. I would install that on my machine as well on it's own drive so I can have the best of both worlds. If this is an attempt to get windows users to switch, I can't help but think it will fail. Put it this way. The people who want to use osx will just use it. So... apple will not gain anything from this. The people who aren't using it won't use it. Everything will remain the same. Apple users will continue to use apple, non apple users will continue to not use apple. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/2757-when-does-osx86-1041-expire/#findComment-18729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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