killbot1000 Posted August 22, 2006 Author Share Posted August 22, 2006 Flying on an airplane is not a moral issue. Sex is. To treat it as an activity and pretend that morals do not apply to it is selling sex short. Sexual Abstinence before marriage is not only a good moral thing to do, but it is also a testimony to your wife- or husband-to-be of unconditional, willing, and patient love. As in 'I love you so much that I have waited to marry you before having sex with you.' Women are sexually aroused by emotions, while men are sexually aroused visually (true in most cases). That's why so many more men watch pr0n than women. If you tell that to a woman, she is going to be all over you. It's happened countless times, and its just plain instinct. Why do men give women flowers? To show how much we care. Sexual abstinence is like flowers on the best steriods money can buy. Sure, we're still mammals. If you want to be a dog and hump everything that moves, thats fine. But keep in mind that dogs arent civilized. We are. See, I agree that sex is a moral issue, kinda..but I think youre overblowing it a little, I mean "testimony to your wife or husband to be of unconditional, willing, patient love?" I mean, whats wrong with this approach "oh yeah, Ive had a few relationships...and im just living my life, and OH wait, ive met the love of my life, I dont want to be with anybody but him/her" and then after that point, you dont, I dont see the problem in that, in fact I think its wiser to have that attitude because you can compare! heheh Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-172202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
james2mart Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Love != Sex. And what if you have sex before marriage and theres this one girl that is great in bed, but shes a total jerk? Every time you have sex with your wife, you'll be thinking about how great the sex was with the other girl... If there is no other sex to compare it to, then that way it will be the best sex you've ever experienced. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-172228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhapsody Guru Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 i think that any sex is aight just as long as u use a condom, at least for me as im 16 and i dont want to get ne one pregnant... plus its safer... Unfortunately... condoms have a faliure rate of 31%. The best way to avoid AIDS or accidental pregnancy is to practice abstinance. Guru Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-172240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwprod12 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 a 31% failure rate for a condom means that out of every 3 times sex occurs with a condom, one partner either 1) transmits an STD, or 2) gets someone pregnant. I find that hard to believe. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-172255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kday Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Unfortunately... condoms have a faliure rate of 31%. The best way to avoid AIDS or accidental pregnancy is to practice abstinance. :censored2: Guru Nice number you just pulled out of your arse. Source? If your source is a religious website, it does not count. Oh, and I believe that number is more around 1 or 2% failure rate. edit: I just checked Wikipedia, an Wikipedia says 2% failure rate: The method failure rate of condoms is 2% per year. Also, the failure rate often has to do with the improper use of the condom: Experienced condom users are significantly less likely to have a condom slip or break compared to first-time users, although users who experience one failure are at increased risk of a second failure. About std's..... Yes you can still get STD's with or without a condom. However, you are much less likely to get a STD with a condom. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condom Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-172271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwprod12 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 http://www.prolife.com/CONDOMS.html indicates a 31% failure rate for HIV. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-172279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJägermeister Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 http://www.prolife.com/CONDOMS.html indicates a 31% failure rate for HIV. That´s a website from Nazis, it doesn´t count :censored2: Their title is: Pro-Life America Saving babies and families from abortion! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-172295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwprod12 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Well, I dont know if that's where Rhapsody Guru got his information. I was just posting it cause it had the same statistic as he mentioned. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-172300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OryHara Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Unfortunately... condoms have a faliure rate of 31%. The best way to avoid AIDS or accidental pregnancy is to practice abstinance. Guru Thats true. Love the penguin BTW. Some people can't do without sex. I can... for a while... I'm a geek. But some can't. Its best for those that can't do without it to be tested every so often, so they don't accidently infect someone else. If someone knowingly has AIDS, or HIV, and infects someone, in court, it is treated as murder. That´s a website from Nazis, it doesn´t count Their title is: Pro-Life America Saving babies and families from abortion! Heh, Nazis are BUSH supporters, and facists, not just because the believe the opposite of what you do. And if your mother had aborted you? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-172326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJägermeister Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Heh, Nazis are BUSH supporters, and facists, not just because the believe the opposite of what you do. And if your mother had aborted you? I didn´t want to hurt to someone but Nazis is a often used term in DE for someone who wants to forbid people things only because he don´t like that. Take a look at this site, this guys are lying when they say 31%, that prooves that you should not believe anything from them. In DE we have a similar organisation like pro-life and I´m not the only one who call them Nazis or Jesus-facists. Please don´t take it too serious, it´s just a name. BTW, if my mother have aborted me she would have a better life without me P.S: I don´t know much about Bush but maybe you right: he´s a Nazi Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-172355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNyc Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 For me it all depends on your values, family values, the way you were raised/brought up, your religion if any. This is a very complex topic also . Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-172391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbot1000 Posted August 22, 2006 Author Share Posted August 22, 2006 Why cant we all just f*** in peace... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-172397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swad Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 That´s a website from Nazis, it doesn´t count Their title is: Pro-Life America Saving babies and families from abortion! What makes this a Nazi page? Just because someone thinks that life begins at conception makes them a Nazi? Hardly. Heh, Nazis are BUSH supporters, and facists, not just because the believe the opposite of what you do. The vast (right wing conspiracy) majority of Bush supporters are Republicans, most of whom are ideologically opposed to the kinds of socialist programs Hitler was about. *ahem* Back on topic... One thing is for sure - if there was no sex before (traditional, monogamous) marriage, there would be no STD's. I'm not going to state my position however. Well. Maybe in a sex discussion "position" isn't the right term to use... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-172429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mifki Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Ok, this thread should be closed, Godwins law has been invoked. Its over. P.S: Sex b4 marriage is gr8, you should try it , i mean like you dont expect your wife to be a virgin (well at least i dont) and she doesnt expect you to be a virgin either, there is nothing to feel guilty about. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-172431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJägermeister Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 What makes this a Nazi page? Just because someone thinks that life begins at conception makes them a Nazi? Hardly.The vast (right wing conspiracy) majority of Bush supporters are Republicans, most of whom are ideologically opposed to the kinds of socialist programs Hitler was about. *ahem* Back on topic... One thing is for sure - if there was no sex before (traditional, monogamous) marriage, there would be no STD's. I'm not going to state my position however. Well. Maybe in a sex discussion "position" isn't the right term to use... It was just a often used term in my country for conservative guys, politicians from the right wing (not only the extrem right wing) are also called Nazis from many Guys (f*** Stoiber). Some guys are calling the German pro-life as Jesus-facists and nobody cares about that. Maybe in your country it´s not OK to say this so forget about that, I didn´t want to hurt someone. If I knew the reaction, I probably never had written this. Let´s talk about Sex again and keep on topic, it´s more interesting as politics. BTW, why don´t want you to state your position about Sex, we want pics from you Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-172433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwprod12 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 I'd just like to point out that Dr Jaegermeister used Nazi in it's German context. As an oppressive, right-oriented, conforming, cult of personality. Nazi to americans is about racism, murder, megalomania and insanity. So, truly, Hitler wasnt being invoked, therefore, Godwin's Law doesnt apply. It is true that in a perfect universe where sex exists only between married people, it would not be possible for STDs to be spread. However, if one looks at history (the history of STDs especially), one finds that STDs existed and were transmitted in societies that had strict controls on marital infidelity/sex before marriage. In the Abstinence Only education philosophy, you see that STD transmission and pregnancy paradoxically increase. The reason is that Abstinence is harder to do and maintain than safe-sex techniques. You cant stop people from having sex outside of "holy wedlock", so, the logical answer is to address what happens when people do have sex outside of "holy wedlock" instead of putting your fingers in your ears and screaming about how immoral everyone is. As an example. I have two friends who are the same age. One (James) grew up in a free-spirited household. The other (Christian) grew up in a (oddly enough) Christian household. James and Christian both engage in premarital sex. James is notoriously fussy about safe sex. Christian doesnt practice safe sex at all. James' family has given him instruction in responsible behavior. Christian's family has given him sunday school and religious dogma. While obviously this isnt any form of scientific study, I think that there are lot of parallels in daily life. EDIT: I really dont have an agenda here, because I dont care what breeders do as long as I dont have to see it. However, my relationships are by their very definition pre-marital. So it sorta applies to me too. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-172436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
james2mart Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 gwprod12, I agree with you here (WOW). I think that while its perfectly acceptable for the churches to preach abstinence, it is almost necessary for society as a whole to teach safe sex, and not abstinence. Abstinence is amazing and rewarding, but extremely difficult for guys. IMHO: Society: TEACH SAFE SEX. Religion: TEACH ABSTINENCE (or whatever applies). Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-172580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwprod12 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 The message is simple, controversial, immoral, etc. It is: "Abstinence is the safest sex. BUT, if you cant abstain, wear a condom". Biblers dont like that statement because it "encourages" people to have sex, whereas they wouldnt be "encouraged" if the message was: "Abstinence only. Sex is a sin". People need encouragement NOT to have sex. Otherwise, our species wouldnt exist. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-172581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
anantha11 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 i personally think it is ok, as long as you dont get anyone pregnant, and use a condom since you dont know the person i say well enough yet. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-172808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
reghost Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 what kind of fn question is this? Yes its ok!!!! what i dont have a right to test drive the car before i buy it!!!!!! geeez isnt that what everyon here is doing!!!!??? Honestly guys, on a serious note, yes its important to know who you are getting involved with emotionally and physically. Why are you going to hold off on chocolate ice cream only to find out it taste exactly like vanilla????? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-173352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZX81 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 ahh all this uninformed adolescent angst what a load of cobblers. ONe good shag and you'll be good as new. Kickers gentlemen, get of the soap box think about getting into those knickers How can you be a sexual guru if you afraid of knickers? NOw thats a question and a half. Discuss, in your own head only, please...... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-173355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogabean Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 gwprod12, I agree with you here (WOW). I think that while its perfectly acceptable for the churches to preach abstinence, it is almost necessary for society as a whole to teach safe sex, and not abstinence. Abstinence is amazing and rewarding, but extremely difficult for guys. IMHO: Society: TEACH SAFE SEX. Religion: TEACH ABSTINENCE (or whatever applies). james... I respect your position and this thread is getting a bit out of hand in some respects. Different people have different feelings and takes on this. I have made mine clear. In a perfect world where physical relations between any two people was perfect and satisfying and marriage was a perfect union i would in fact fully support your stance. But it is a well known and proven fact that sex can and does destroy relationships. Let's say one person is more sexual then the other. Let's say once a week satisfy one of their needs and any more then that is too much for them, but the other person is not content with any less then 3 to 4 times a week. Is that marriage going to be a happy and faithful union? Most likely not. Therefore i would say that having had sexual relations with the person prior to marriage is a blessing because that layer of compatibility has been established and that is a vital layer, no different then sharing some common interests or having similiar ideas on raising children... or even having similiar financial goals in life. You can not discount the importance and value of this aspect of a relationship with something as serious as marriage. Sex is a part of human nature. It is a very core part of who we are. Your beliefs are very admirable, but you can not discredit other's beliefs as well. I am speaking from experience on this. Will I tell you that sex isn't a complicated thing that can cause bad things in life? No, because that isn't true either. First hand knowledge. Perhaps a better ideal to instill would be the value of not having sex with someone until you know you love this person and feel there is a very real chance you would like to marry them and spend the rest of your life with them. Although this is still something I could not do, it would be a more realistic value then abstinence. Abstinence is no different then telling someone they can not have something. It's along the same lines with studies that show children who were denied any and all sweets have a higher tendency towards those items as adults, then children who were allowed those items in moderation. As humans we tend to push the barrier and test the limits. Telling someone they can not do something can be a bad as letting them do whatever they want sometimes. Safe sex and waiting until love (not the puppy kind) would be far better values to instill into any person then flat out telling them they can not do something. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-173511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
johan Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 having sex is a skill... everybody should learn.. as soon as possible and not waiting untill mariage please not.. what if you got married and it turns out that your partner is terrible in bed so please try before you buy practise makes perfect Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-173518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OryHara Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 I didn´t want to hurt to someone but Nazis is a often used term in DE for someone who wants to forbid people things only because he don´t like that. I usually view Nazis as those who support 'dictators' like Bush, and large companies.... etc... Facism is actually the cooperation between government and large companies. IE: banks, microsoft, international treaties to benefit companies, and screw citizens. Take a look at this site, this guys are lying when they say 31%, that prooves that you should not believe anything from them. In DE we have a similar organisation like pro-life and I´m not the only one who call them Nazis or Jesus-facists.Please don´t take it too serious, it´s just a name. BTW, if my mother have aborted me she would have a better life without me P.S: I don´t know much about Bush but maybe you right: he´s a Nazi The people out there the TRUELY believe in Jesus, and follow his example are actually very peaceful, and humble people. The ones that are hypocrites are a different story, the ones that don't practice what they preach , yea, I know, but THEIR god is that of the world, the events of the world, and they mostly come to church to spread their political lies, and corruption. I know many people like that. The church I go to has many people like that, about %90 of them. Thats why I am in the process of switching to a smaller church. Now I actually want to get my lazy butt up on Sunday and go, instead of mope around waiting for Wedsday night. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-173559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbot1000 Posted August 24, 2006 Author Share Posted August 24, 2006 having sex is a skill... everybody should learn.. as soon as possible and not waiting untill mariage please not.. what if you got married and it turns out that your partner is terrible in bed so please try before you buy practise makes perfect Definately! sex is a skill, the first time anybody has sex, its a little strange...and not incredibly fun, but over time you learn how to do it really well heheh Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25164-sex-before-marriage/page/3/#findComment-173609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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