That's it I'm giving up - Apple won

[meisterk]

Apple has won and you know it.

 

About a month ago I had carefully selected my components from the Wiki. I went for an AMD64/nForce4 for budget reasons, and the feedback for other users seemed excellent.

 

I needed QE/CI acceleration so I got an ATI X1600 PRO. Using the Goatsexc 10.4.6 DVD and the Boris fix everything seemed to work, pro apps, everything except the HDV codec which strangely rendered only a green window. But I was happy.

 

Fast-forward today:

 

EVERYTIME I do more than one task at a time I get a spinning ball and I am forced to do a hard reboot.

 

There is no explanation. I reinstalled plenty of times. I always end up having my system unresponsive.

 

The Hackintosh is a dream. There is NO way you can get stability out of a half-hacked system with different versions of frameworks/kexts/kernel. HDV codec is broken. there are tons of glitches. Apple knows this.

 

For the first days I had the illusion of stability because I was doing simple tasks. But as soon as I tried to do some poweruser multitasking I always got that f*cking spinning ball of death, especially when invoking Spotlight.

 

I suspect Apple silently inserts bits of code in updates that renders hacked systems unstable in a pernicious way. It's driving me nuts!

 

OSX is a dream to use when it works. So i'm most tempted to save cash to buy a real mac. That's what Apple wants. No wonder they don't come down on these forums harder! They know that people will never have the real stability. That's even truer, these forums not being as responsive as I would have hoped (cf the HDV problem for which I never got a single answer).

 

It's time someone told the truth about so called "no problem / perfectly working" threads that end up misguiding people into building a Hackintosh that will, by definition, end up being unstable.

[platinum]

that's bull

 

my system IS running "no problem / perfectly working". no sluggishness, no lag, no errors. the only thing i gotta get is my radeon 9600 and i'll be laughing.

 

either you just didn't know what you were doing, you gave up to easily, or your just unlucky (no offense meant)

 

don't give up people!! fight for what you want!!!

 

viva-la-osx86!

[suleiman]

platinum while I certainly know what you mean, and have had the "perfectly working" hackintosh running in the past myself, I have to say that the switch to a real mac has meant a tremendous shift for the overall user experience of running OS X.

 

I knew the first time I dabbled in OS X, as fun as it was to get it running on non-Apple hardware, that this was where I would end up. Why? Because as fun as it is, for the power user, not having access to the latest software updates the instant they are released, the lack of faith in whether or not the software that you do have running will have some quirk in it that renders it unusuable or unlaunchable on a hackintosh, will always be lingering there in your mind.

 

I purchased my MBP back in March, and through the whinning problem, the heat issues, and some other random shutdowns/system crashes, I have to say that I am truly loving this machine. I hate sounding like an infomercial, but Apple is one company that I have put my money where my mouth is.

[platinum]

very true. lol....

 

but to be honest, mac running on my p4 3ghz runs a heck of a lot better than what i've seen out there. i'd really buy a mac (i have before) if they weren't so darned expensive...

 

oh well, better go out to get a higher paying job. lmao

[XLostSpartanX]

I'm running on a 3ghz Gateway P4..... runs great with only 512mb of ram. I have used 5+ apps at one time and spotlight. I never get that spinning wheel unless I am changing something in the System Preferences.

[poofyhairguy]

I think OSX86 on AMD CPUs longterm is always going to be harder- it was never made for them!

 

 

Stick to Intel stuff and you have less problems in my experiance.....

[thrunner]

Apple has won and you know it..... I went for an AMD64/nForce4 for budget reasons,

Intel setups are actually cheaper and more compatible right now... currently there is no reason to choose AMD... If you haven't noticed, there is a price war going on in the PC market... Short term, these guys (Apple, AMD, Intel) are all losers and consumers winners.

[meisterk]

Intel setups are actually cheaper and more compatible right now... currently there is no reason to choose AMD... If you haven't noticed, there is a price war going on in the PC market... Short term, these guys (Apple, AMD, Intel) are all losers and consumers winners.

 

What are you talking about? Maybe in the US but in the rest of the world a 3.2Ghz P4 twice as expensive than an AMD64 3200+. So it's a no-brainer, and you don't get all the extra heat.

 

I think OSX86 on AMD CPUs longterm is always going to be harder- it was never made for them!

Stick to Intel stuff and you have less problems in my experiance.....

 

AMDs are 100% compatible with the x86 set, that's not an issue. What seems to be the issue is cpuid checks, but I never got to find a proper explanation in the forums nor the Wiki.

 

Anyway, FCP stopped working yesterday (it ate the SN, and crashes on startup) without any sort of logical explanation. This is really crazy. I'm gonna have to reinstall once more. I'm on the verge of insanity.

[Victor Gil]

I have installed Goatsecx DVD and i haven't had any problem working with multiple apps at once. For example, i use iTunes while working with rapidweaver and surfing with Safari to check the pages i made and downloading some stuff with Transmission and NEVER have a crash or spinning wheel on the system. I don't know what you mean by poweruser multitasking but even while converting movies with Divx i've been able to use various applications without any problem.

 

Sure i have problems with the mouse tearing and some apps working in rosseta mode but everything else works pretty well.

[meisterk]

I have installed Goatsecx DVD and i haven't had any problem working with multiple apps at once. For example, i use iTunes while working with rapidweaver and surfing with Safari to check the pages i made and downloading some stuff with Transmission and NEVER have a crash or spinning wheel on the system. I don't know what you mean by poweruser multitasking but even while converting movies with Divx i've been able to use various applications without any problem.

 

Sure i have problems with the mouse tearing and some apps working in rosseta mode but everything else works pretty well.

 

Ok so suppose I believe you. Did you just use vanilla Goatsecx DVD at 10.4.6, and did you ever update QT to anything higher than 7.0.4? Are you using Virtue and/or Little Snitch? I mean poweruser usage by having tons of apps open and switching desktops with Virtue.

 

 

Edited for typos

[Victor Gil]

Ok so suppose I believe you. Did you just use vanilla Goatsecx DVD at 10.4.6, and did you ever update QT to anything higher than 7.0.4? Are you using Virtue and/or Little Snitch? I mean poweruser usage by having tons of apps open and switching desktops with Virtue.

Edited for typos

 

I got the one it's posted on demon:censored2: , I have Quicktime 7.1.2, iTunes 6.0.5. I haven't really tried VirtueDesktops because i like to see all my apps in just one desktop but I will test it to see if it makes a difference in performance. I don't have Little Snitch installed but i can try it to see how it behave on my hackintosh besides that i don't see any reason why you can have a problem with perfomance in your computer.

[U.C.]

My PC -Based Hackintosh had tons of problems, SATA, LAN, Audio and GFX Card. On the other hand all versions of OSX work amazing on my laptop, Dell Inspiron 700m. My guess is because Dell uses standard Intel components. It doesnot customize the system too much. Except GFX-855 GME and WLAN-Intel 2100, everything worked perfect right form 10.4.1 to 10.4.6. I mean Sound, LAN, Keyboard, Mouse, Firewire, USB. I installed it like months back and no problems.

 

I multi task on it a lot, Browsing, DLing, while watching DivX movies etc. Ok I dont POWERUSE my, but atleast 5-10 apps are running at any given time.

 

My desktop is powerhorse. I can do everything on it, right now MSN, Office, Crossover Office, Text Edit, 10 Webpages on Mozilla, iConquer, Printer Install, System Profiler, Prefrences, iTunes. No problems, no errors. I installed this like 3-4 Months back.

 

My desktop does the job, but I still will buy a Mac when I get enough cash. Dont want a PPC based so waiting to get cash to buy a Intel Tower.

 

Anyway in the end it all depends on

1) Intel or AMD

2) User competency. By this I mean, if you just wanna complain and make new topics asking for some one to feed you, it aint gonna happen. Some people do reply, but I tend not to. I prefer searching for info and reading carefully before posting.

3) Level of expectation. I never expected much, so when I got the Mac desktop I was happy. Currently, I have to use Windows, to edit Audio, Video and Pictures but hey I am just happy to be able to browse, chat and use Mac for basic stuff.

 

Anyway this has been a long RANT. I love OSX

[meisterk]

Anyway in the end it all depends on

1) Intel or AMD

2) User competency. By this I mean, if you just wanna complain and make new topics asking for some one to feed you, it aint gonna happen. Some people do reply, but I tend not to. I prefer searching for info and reading carefully before posting.

 

Ok this is the second time I am told by innuendo that I'm not competent. I've been using computers since I was 5 so I know what I'm talking about. My post is a rant and of course any insight is welcome as I like to understand why things don't work.

 

This type of attitude is typical of PC users and frankly, I'm not really surprised. I'm a Mac user and I've owned a TiBook since 2002. Mac users were really helpful chaps and NEVER adopted an arrogant and condescending attitude like you just did.

 

So in these boards:

 

1) Some users want to maintain the illusion that they got a perfectly working Hackintosh which is impossible as I explained in my first post.

 

2) If you openly doubt these claims you get frowned upon by l33t H4ck1nt0sH users

[Arcanis]

But you don't get the point that Apple made their OS for an Intel platform.

 

Sure X86 instructions are all the same. But chipsets and components aren't.

 

Is not the same running OS X on a Intel 945 chipset than running it on a nForce4 chipset.

 

OS X at the moment was made for Core Duo and a 945 Intel chipset in mind, the closest you are to that hardware, the better experience you will have.

 

Now im replying to you, chatting on aMSN, updating an iPod, and doing some programming on Xcode for an assignment. No spinning wheels at all, never had a crash also. But without kernel updates I'm feeling the hackintosh thing will have an end with the Leopard release. It was fun to use a hackintosh for almost a year anyway

[meisterk]

Yeah I get the point I was just doing some cognitive dissonance, you know, having bought AMD and all...

 

I just reinstalled and I seems to be stable for now... I suspect that Little Snitch was the culprit for everything. SO I'm taking it all back... for now.

[fOZf8]

Wierd, Lil Snitch works great for me...there is totally something up with the install isos though. I don't think it's any specific install, I've used many versions, but for instance I have installed 10.4.6 jas patched on my AMD system like 5 times and everytime the results and performance are different, different kexts seem to get assigned etc...really wierd. Always been shakey on my 3200+ venice....BUT, every single version I've installed on my 915 based P4 3ghz HT has been rock solid and great for performance.

 

I only get the spinning ball of hypnotism when the system is awaking a sleeping hard drive, and I multi-task like mad.

 

Regardless, I'd still like to buy a real Mac, they're just shiek and posh, I'll wait til long after the desktops are out though....AND, I can honestly say I wouldn't have ANY current plans to buy a real Mac if I hadn't built a Hac first.

[Arcanis]

Yeah the hackintosh makes you love the real thing even more

 

I'm looking forward to the desktops too

[biped]

mmmm

 

maybe osx just isn't a poweruser platform. its certainly not a good server platform. its a great laptop or appliance platform though.

 

ok ok in all seriousness, the best you can hope for from a hackintosh setup is a somewhat reliable internet appliance. If your lucky you might end up with more.. its certainly not a sound idea to go out and spend the money to try build a compliant box, but if you have money to burn, or spare hardware... then why not.

 

if you want reliable, and well supported, get a mini or an imac or wait for the pro

[god-of-gamblers]

My Acer notebook works great, except for no sleep mode and Intel 2100 wireless (easy fix to buy a new wireless PCI card).

 

However, I don't think it's worth buying a new PC just to run OSX86 (unless you pick something up on the cheap.) I mean you may as well buy a Mac Mini that will run OSX better, and is reasonably cheap anyways.

 

By the time you hack the OSX86 install or whatever to get all the parts working, you may as well have saved the time and bought a real Mac from EBay, etc.

 

But this is great to install on computers you already own, etc. (like my notebook)

 

Glad to see your re-install is working though, good luck-

[Swad]

So in these boards:

 

1) Some users want to maintain the illusion that they got a perfectly working Hackintosh which is impossible as I explained in my first post.

 

2) If you openly doubt these claims you get frowned upon by l33t H4ck1nt0sH users rolleyes.gif

 

Well, I hope not. In general I think that OSx86 is as good as you're willing to make it, ie buy the hardware, etc. I've had no problems with my current set up.

 

But your "rant" was a good one and I enjoyed reading it. Thanks for posting and thanks for being a part of this forum.

[lukios]

funny you say that, because most of us are running a stable osx on a hackintosh just fine . . .

[lord_muad_dib]

this thread is 2 years old, powerfull wizardry skills you have!.. my padawan

[turandota]

Just wanted to add my 2 cents

 

I'm running a mac.nub Tiger 10.4.10 install and it runs fast and stable. Here are my specs:

 

Shuttle SD37P2

Intel q6600 (@2.75ghz)

8gb ECC ram

Sapphire x1950 pro pcie card (with CI/QE fully operational)

320gb Samsung hd

750gb Seagate hd x2

Asus DVD burner

Broadcom ethernet

ALC882 5-channel audio

 

All audio, usb, and ethernet ports work.

 

For the audio and ethernet to work, I did have to borrow the drivers from the Kalway 10.5.2 dvd.

 

I have fast user switching enabled (for 1 admin, 2 standard accounts).

 

This is our main computer at home. Ironically I moved from a MacMini to this machine, so I could use Final Cut Studio 2, Shake, and Cinema 4D.

 

No kernel panics; Little Snitch 2 is running 24/7; Can use handbrake (converting videos to xh264), Final Cut Pro 6, Fusion, Camino, Itunes, Word, Excel, WEBstractor, Transmission, DVD Player, and various other programs simultanously with multiple users signed on and NO problems or BBoD.

 

I've also updated Java 6 for Mac, Quicktime 7.4.5 (with Pro), Itunes (7.4.2).

 

So yeah, I would say there is something wrong with your OS X installation....But that's why this site exists.