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OSXtasy
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With no information about Apple legal hammering these guys yet, Im starting to wonder if they are actually gonna get away with their cloning operation. They have as of late posted operating system updates, and a way to enable and use software update it would seem, as well. Oh yeah, and they got some new cases for the base units( supposedly quieter fans) as well that look like old Dell cases to me..LOL. Starting to either smell like Apple may be behind this, OR Apple does'nt have a leg to stand on against them legally.

 

 

Hmm, that black "pro" case don't look half bad....... :pirate2:

bwhsh8r
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hahaha, oh man...... and i remember apple as quite sue happy..... i wonder what ever happened to that? =]

 

 

and if i couldnt build one myself for significantly cheeper i might have considered buying one.

 

 

you know, if you built a computer to around the same specs you could use all of the psystar stuff such as updates and kexts (not to say most hack users couldnt though....) :pirate2:

 

 

 

i start taking bets on how long they last today just post your bet in the thread ( JUST KIDDING, DONT DO THAT.)

Hagar
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I fail to see the profit potential in this.. essentially they are charging people for putting os x on the machine, which appeals to all those who cant/wont/dont know how to DIY. Apart from that, all they're selling is a generic pc which is moderately compatible for a price that seems.... pricey?

 

How many customers can there be for something like that?

Hagar
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I knew something like this was on the way! Software Update using a 3rd-party download server....now why didn't InsanelyMac think of this first?

 

 

The idea has been around for ages, but hasn't been implemented for various reasons, legal reasons included.. Remember that up until psystar, we were all working under the assumption that apple would sue as fast and as thoroughly as they did in '05 & '06.

jaez
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Apple would be silly to sue. This helps Apple more than anything. It's simple. Apple does not license it's OS for use on anything other than Apple computers. So, they are not legally obligated to support it. If you buy Psystar, you'll have to call Psystar for support when your OS crashes etc..That means no expensive support costs to Apple. That's why the EULA has that clause. Yet, by buying a Psystar, customers are signalling Apple that they want the Apple OS. That's good advertising for Apple. People are willing to shell out their pocket cash for Leopard. They are actually buying the OS. This is better than Advertising, it's "partial conversions" ! Success in getting wider adoption of Apple OS design...etc..so it's a win for Apple.

Kane Adams
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Something I think is being missed by all this chatter.....Psystar sells a legit copy of Leo and puts it on the hard drive for you (they don't run it). When you get the computer and turn it on, the software runs and installs the OS. During that process, the End User has to 'agree' to the EULA. Psystar isn't 'agreeing' to it, the End User is. So it seems like Psystar is off the hook.

http://www.psystar.com/_fireboard/view/89/4.html#89#151

 

What do you think of that statement?

Hagar
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My God, these guys have balls! Well Apple will crush Psystar, as soon as they threaten their position, but I guess for now they are safe.

 

I Dunno.. the one who said that the emperor wears no clothes was a smartass kid and nobody likes those..

 

Essentially, after having the law all their own way for ages, Apple is now having to face the fact that, reality distortion fields aside, they are selling an OS, and in most of the world that means people buy & own that software, to do with as they please.

 

Is Apple massing for a huge fight, or are they trying to ignore this to death, or have they decided that it's good marketing, or have they given up on litigation and are instead looking at DRM/TPM style ways of further locking down the OS? only time will tell.

 

But one thing is for sure... The Emperor has been shown to be naked.

iSkylla
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Well, isn't reselling a product without explicit permission by the author also illegal? And redistributing the Leo updates _surely_ is.

 

Ding ding ding. We have a winner. Redistributing the leo updates is illegal because it is not their property to redistribute.

tazevedo317
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they ship out a generic copy of OS X with their OpenPC. so maybe thats why apple is holding back on the lawsuits? plus its a great advertisement. sure it performas like an iMac. but im sure most people will eventully get frustrated over failing updates but still love the Apple OS and buy a real iMac.

Superhai
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Well, still Apple are making money out of this, as they bundle the leopard os with the box. I guess that for apple it is easier to just make sure the next update like 10.5.3 will difficult with the psystar pc and in that way keep interest for theirs machine low, and even make people buy a real mac. No risk for bad face from a lawsuit and spend money on lawyers.

jaez
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...and...being able to "dual boot" windows and OS X on the same machine is a big plus for software developers...lowers the cost to wite programs for multiple platforms...only need one computer to develop code for both OS's...that means alot of Windows developers are going to take a peek at Mac now, to see if they can port their Windows Apps to Mac...and given that Windows has the largest developer base out there, it can only be another win for Apple once again...Apple would be crazy to sue anybody dual booting Windows and OS X on their machine...that would then cut off the app development potential OSx86 project enables...etc...

kiwi89
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@jaez

 

Well boot camp made it possible to put windows on a Mac any how so when you think about it theres nothing new here that the OSx86 project and boot camp doesnt really offer.

jaez
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Difference is that with boot camp, people with Apple computers can develop for Windows machines...that helps Bill. But, with OSx86, windows developers, who already invested in Windows machines, can port to Mac..so OSx86 directly helps Apple gain market share of the applications space...while boot camp is an effort to sell just hardware to windows users..

 

 

Thing is, most windows users like to pick out their own hardware. They got used to this over the years. They enjoy component selection, and modding, etc.. They don;t like other people making that decision for them. While Apple users tend to be fanatics about Steve's slick designs. Different psychology in the mental makeup of win/mac user base. Windows fan club are unlikely to buy macs, but are very likely to check out the OS X system on their own computers.

 

There will always be a few switchers. But, most will likely just dual boot instead of switching. Too many apps for windows exist in the world to switch entirely away from Windows environment torday.

DP User
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The idea has been around for ages, but hasn't been implemented for various reasons, legal reasons included.. Remember that up until psystar, we were all working under the assumption that apple would sue as fast and as thoroughly as they did in '05 & '06.

 

Nah, AFAIK SU is an open policy. Any vendor can utilize SU to update their software. I have never seen a BLOCK OUT on 3rd party using SU for their updates.

jaygeejay
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Thing is, most windows users like to pick out their own hardware. They got used to this over the years. They enjoy component selection, and modding, etc..

 

I beg to differ. Most Windows users do not do modding and component selection - except for power users, and they're in the minority. Most Windows users do, however, go to the shop and select from various models - depending on price and what the saleperson tells them about the machine, plus the advertising they were exposed to. So they are used to a greater variety and are used to being able to choose. So you are right about the different mental makeup in the win/mac userbase - and yes, quite a few might want to check out osx - if the price is right.

 

Too many apps for windows exist in the world to switch entirely away from Windows environment torday.

 

Totally agree with that. Also, the business world (and to some extent, the schools) are mostly Windows - and people get used to the Windows way of working and continue with the devil they know.

 

But having the osx on clones option might persuade a few more - who might not be prepared to shell out the premium price of a Mac just for the sake of sleek design - to adopt it; and then, as the user base grows, applications will follow.

 

Personally, after trying out Vista I got so p-d with Microsoft I switched to Linux, except for a few work projects where I have to use Windows - so I'm not a fanatic fanboi or hater of any OS out there; but I'd like to see MS clipped somewhat - the situation as it is at the moment is not healthy. And I also think Apple could do with a bit of competition in its own back yard - they might rethink their pricing policy/business model.

bwhsh8r
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Apple would be silly to sue. This helps Apple more than anything. It's simple. Apple does not license it's OS for use on anything other than Apple computers. So, they are not legally obligated to support it. If you buy Psystar, you'll have to call Psystar for support when your OS crashes etc..That means no expensive support costs to Apple. That's why the EULA has that clause. Yet, by buying a Psystar, customers are signalling Apple that they want the Apple OS. That's good advertising for Apple. People are willing to shell out their pocket cash for Leopard. They are actually buying the OS. This is better than Advertising, it's "partial conversions" ! Success in getting wider adoption of Apple OS design...etc..so it's a win for Apple.

 

uhm, no? do you remember the mac clones or were you to young? because they just stole out of mac's small userbase.

 

 

losing apple alot of money and almost killing them

 

 

how would apple be winning when they make MOST OF THEIR PROFITS OFF OF HARDWARE SALES

 

and guess what. you dont need APPLE HARDWARE if you are using that. so no they really ARENT winning.

 

 

 

i mean.... correct me if im wrong, but theres a low chance of it happening.

jaez
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You don't "need" apple hardware. But, apple does make very good hardware. So, they can compete on superior product.

 

What apple really needs is lots of applications for that hardware.

 

The only way they'll get that, is by the back door...through windows compatibility.

 

It's chicken and egg problem.

 

Need the software apps to sell the hardware. But, people need to buy the hardware to make the software apps.

 

Developers are not going to buy Apple hardware, just to build apple software, because the Apple user base is too small.

 

Too much to risk.

 

But...developers already have Windows hardware...already have software apps...will certainly be willing to "port" those apps to Apple if there's an easy cost efficient way to do this...that's OSx86.

dpollard55
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In my opinion Apple had to know when they made the switch to intel that there OS was at risk of being let loosed on the world. I remember watching the announcement of "the switch" and thinking to myself that Apple was setting themselves up to become an OS vendor somewhere down the line. I remember the old clone days pretty well and they almost killed Apple, but there's a difference now. Now Apple has many different sources of revenue with the iPod, iTunes store and movie rentals. The Macintosh computers are not what keeps Apple afloat nowadays like it was back then, and we may be on the verge of seeing a lot more Psystars pop up here and there.......the trick will be for Apple to try and control how many clones there are.

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