Why macs suck and your better off on windows or linux

[tirtho]

Not to turn in to an advocate of windows or slam each os

 

I have listed my disadvantages of the mac os as best as I can, if you have gotten around these hurdles of have software that works let me know.

 

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I have 1 Hackintosh IBM fully working with dualview (vista/ Osx)

I have 1 macbook pro core duo (osx /Vista)

I have 1 dell server class linux server, running suse 10 enterprise

 

 

I have a macbook pro and hackintosh both have vista and osx installed although I never use vista on my macbook pro its really there just for .. the gee wiz factor. The other box is a linux server running mail apache and a host of other server applications including Mythtv ( Personal video recorder)

 

SO here are my disses... against macs

 

Macs OSX 10.4.8

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-adobe creative suite 2 sucks better on windows XP ( less ram better performance)

-Macromedia Suite sucks on macs ( less ram better performance on windows)

-OCR nonexistent no native TWAIN support in Acrobat 8 or 7 need to hack plugin directory to get this *&^@*&^#@ to work on native mac hardware ( give me a break apple, 2 hours on the phone with apple to tell me what I already know apple are fraken (*(*& ) Use ReadIris Pro 11 or something else .. DO NOT use Omnipage X its absolute (*&(*&

-Voice Recognition haha whats that???? Macs?? Yeah right they have speech synthesis built in which was developed in the 1980’s. Ilisten is a joke. For Speech recognition use Dragaon Naturally speaking for windows By nuance or Via Voice 10 Pro older from 2003 ( a mac version existsnever tested it still inferior to naturally speaking)

-PVR on Macs ?? whats that??? Mythtv Backend doesn’t work on Darwin properly because of lack of hardware. You could try plextor PX-TV402U and get it working like I have but its too much trouble decided to stick with a linux backend. Macs do have a frontend but its pointless better off with VLC or mythweb. Windows Vista is Windows media center which offers much better ease of use then mythtv and just works.

-Task Autokill – doesn’t do it on macs automatically need to use ps –ax and kill pid or download application. Vista has it built in.

-Multiprocessor Support, macs support 2 linux support 16 + windows same story. Macs have a long way to go.

-ACPI functionally and signaling on macs suck you can see it first hand on a hackintosh . Its even found on native mac hardware. Windows and Linux have the upper hand here aswell.

-Filesystem Macs have the upperhand I happen to like jornaled file system, but its been on unix and linux for years. Windows has a ways to go here. NTFS sucks. So does FAT16,32.

-Wine/Crossover 6 sucks on Macs. Wine is a win32 api implementation that allows you to run native windows programs on macs or linux. Good luck trying to run anything well. Very very flaky.

-Virtualization, Vmware runs ok, Paralles or however you spell it runs well on macs, personally if your running a lot of VM’s run OSX server or stick with linux.

-transcoding, encoding, DVD to xvid, divx 6 or graph manipulation, macs?? Hahhahahaha stick with Linux/windows for anything to do with transcoding. FFmpegX is there for mac os x but honestly it doesn’t offer the tool set that something like Super Video converter ( front end for ffmpeg) so its free and for windows.. or the linux tools available.

-Macs are memory and HD hogs, a typical install with adobe and macromedia is 25 GIGS my vista is only 15 gigs .. where is the extra 10Gigs from. Maybe because Apple makes you drag and drop buckets of useless libraries in your application folder??? Haha I think apple needs to start shipping their notebooks with 200GB HD’s as a start 80GB doesn’t do their bloated OS justice.

 

Windows 286-vista

-everything works

-lots of viruses

-somewhat bulky and slow if not maintained properly

-easily configurable

-Wealth of software and hardware all works out of the box.

-universal platform for development and easy deployment

 

Linux

-Stable, efficient

-Best for server apps

-wealth of software

- Best part Mostly FREE!!!

 

Everyone keeps gleeming on how macs are so good.. I am tired of hearing the propaganda. I have a mac I have a PC and I have a linux server… They all work to a certain degree but honestly they all suck. Windows has by far the most productivity for desktop applications. if you consider what your capable of doing and how accessable the software is to do what you want to do. Macs with all the hype of coolness and slickness can be completely useless to some of us that actually have tasks that need to be done and little time to get them done. Yes if your using a word processor maybe a mac may be suitable for you. If your doing video manipulation or transcoding or any host of other tasks that lack mac functionality your stuck. I also find macs crash and burn just like they do in windows contrary to popular belief. PPC software on intel macs via their rosetta software is a good way to test your macs crashing abilities.

 

 

For web dev and scanning, photo editing. I will tell you my story ... I cant even get a TWAIN compatible Brother scanner with universal intel mac drivers to recognise in Adobe Acrobat 7, tried 3 differnt scanners all mac compliant same story. Then went out and bought Acrobat 8 same issue.. Where as it works in Photoshop CS 2. Turns out the issue has to do with Acrobat not bundling a genetic Twin driver with the application. What kinda rediculous nonsense is that. The whole point of acrobat is to create PDF documents from a scanner. Anyway I switch to vista till they fix that bug, or if I just cant wait I use readIRis 11 pro but that still has horrible OCR compared to something in the PC market like Omnipage 15. Btw the Omnipage X is dated to 2003 so its not worth buying incase anyone is wondering why I didnt use that.

 

X11 on OSX has serious issues with GLX support a lot of GLX stuff doesnt render or just crashes on Mac. I have tested various mac builds along with my Macbook pro on native mac hard ware same story.

 

I compiled Gaim for mac use instead of adium I find adium doesnt have support for VOIP extensions for vonage business support so gave up on that and use gaim.

 

Pc's are far better interms of control and usability from what I have seen and done.. I think the issue with me with macs is the limited software base and the fact I cant get my Mototolar SLVR with Inutes to sync to a mac when it was designed for a mac. Which aggrevates me even more. Talked to apple support and its like being treated like a baby. After 2 hours on the phone they tell me what I already know.. it doesnt work .. the fix in this case is for me to use windows to sink my music to my itunes lhahahaha ridiculous.

 

 

To end I would like to talk about viruses... Everyone keeps saying mac viruses what are they .. they dont exist.. but macs are a unified platform in many ways so it would be much easier to deploy viruses. Read http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/arc...os_x_virus.html

 

To end basically if you want a Free stable highly scalable OS that is rock solid, and are a mac user try ubuntu or a live distro of linux ( pick one).. you will be glad you did 1/2 the stuff that didnt work on mac os x will magically work on linux like my scsi drive for example.

 

If you want something that will play games and work with almost any hardware known to man stick with windows XP or if you dare to be bold go with vista but you lack some hadware support.

 

And if you want to be different .. stick with a mac. And get stuck with old dated software, bloated operating system. Huge ram requirements. Have finder crash on you every once in a while. Hope their new OS is a better that’s all I can say.. they are also bring out a PVR functionality which will most likely be a joke since all apple products including Ipods are locked to evil itunes and evil Quicktime libaries.

[BMC6053]

I agree - except Linux isn't always stable for everyone - depending on hardware conditions and who compiiled what lol.

 

 

Just something I found funny as h3ll. I know macs don't act that way (well, not always) but then again.. Windows PC's are very solid IMHO (minus viruses, and thats mostly a prob for ppl who watch 2 much porn or downloading illegal software).

[Synaesthesia]

Firstly, you said you don't want to "slam" any os, but that's exactly what you do, both in your heading and in your body.

 

A lot of your "issues" can be solved by using Parallels. Should run fine on your macbook pros.

 

Adobe and Macromedia aren't even available for Ubuntu or Linux.

 

BTW, I love linux, don't get me wrong, i use Suse 10.2

 

Also you can save a lot of space by not installing optional components.

 

And I believe macs do support more than 2 processors.

[tirtho]

hehe maybe its a slam, honestly fed up with the mac love retoric I see all around, but to respond

 

10.4 I believe has 2 processor support, in 10.5 they will bring quad processor support as they are introducing xeon's I am guessing to the mix.

 

I stand corrected if anyone can bring more info about this please post here.

 

As for not being able to use adobe software on linux thats not completely true you can run it under wine well much better then you can under OSX w/ crossover.. its actually usable. So is macromedia dreamweaver.

 

regarding the optional space, I think it has a lot to do with bloated libaries that are copied when installing software I think the installs are very "dumb" and do not copy over what the need exactly instead copy over everything as opposed to windows where they share libaries but then you have copies of the libraries everywhere. Different train of thought with apple I guess but still space becomes an issue quickly.

 

Firstly, you said you don't want to "slam" any os, but that's exactly what you do, both in your heading and in your body.

 

A lot of your "issues" can be solved by using Parallels. Should run fine on your macbook pros.

 

Adobe and Macromedia aren't even available for Ubuntu or Linux.

 

BTW, I love linux, don't get me wrong, i use Suse 10.2

 

Also you can save a lot of space by not installing optional components.

 

And I believe macs do support more than 2 processors.

Edited February 12, 2007 by tirtho

[tirtho]

thats funny as hell I should add an actual crash "restart message" easy to do just run the RSS visualizer on any intel hackintosh with intel 915 or 915GL graphics card it will crash guaranteed. You will get a cold reboot "please push your power button message" which I thought was kinda funny except thats in real life

 

I agree - except Linux isn't always stable for everyone - depending on hardware conditions and who compiiled what lol.

 

 

Just something I found funny as h3ll. I know macs don't act that way (well, not always) but then again.. Windows PC's are very solid IMHO (minus viruses, and thats mostly a prob for ppl who watch 2 much porn or downloading illegal software).

[munky]

adobe creative suite 2 sucks better on windows XP ( less ram better performance)

-Macromedia Suite sucks on macs ( less ram better performance on windows)

Well duh. Adobe CS2 and Macromedia studio are PowerPC apps, running thru an emulation layer on your intel mac. Of course performance is going to suffer. Try the beta of Photoshop CS3. This is a side-effect of the transition to Intel architecture, and will be addressed by future releases of those products.

 

 

Multiprocessor Support, macs support 2 linux support 16 + windows same story. Macs have a long way to go.

 

Are you a moron? Have you heard of the Mac Pro? It currently ships with 4 processor cores, and has been proven (by ArsTechnica et al) to support 8 processor cores. If any of your other points had any validity, you've just lost all respect from me by posting an utter lie.

 

 

Windows 286-vista

-everything works

-Wealth of software and hardware all works out of the box.

Oh puh-LEEZE. First, I dont know what the hell you're talking about 286 for, that being an Intel product number for an aging processor, but hey. And Windows Vista is having some incredible compatability issues, both with hardware and software. Remember kids: Google is your friend.

 

-PVR on Macs?? whats that???

 

Uh... EyeTV anyone? Hello?

 

 

-ACPI functionally and signaling on macs

Actually, macs (especially portables) have always had industry-leading power management - the battery in my first mac (a PowerBook G4) lasted around 5-6 hours. Sleep and wake were practically instantaneous. What exactly do you have a problem with?

 

 

-Task Autokill – doesn’t do it on macs automatically need to use ps –ax and kill pid or download application. Vista has it built in.

 

You mean, apart from the fact you can do Force Quit for foreground applications, or use the (built-in) Activity Monitor to view and kill all tasks? Fool.

 

 

-Wine/Crossover 6 sucks on Macs.

Its, like, JUST been released and it will improve. Also, does the performance of a third-party API compatability layer really count against the underlying OS?

 

 

Way to go on not 'slamming' the Mac OS there - by telling us 'macs suck' and all. Get back under your rock, troll.

 

thats funny as hell I should add an actual crash "restart message" easy to do just run the RSS visualizer on any intel hackintosh with intel 915 or 915GL graphics card it will crash guaranteed. You will get a cold reboot "please push your power button message" which I thought was kinda funny except thats in real life

 

so you can crash an unsupported hardware configuration using a hacked OS? gee, that really is a cutting indictment against macs.... not.

 

10.4 I believe has 2 processor support, in 10.5 they will bring quad processor support as they are introducing xeon's I am guessing to the mix.

 

Current quad-core Mac Pro available from apple (using Xeons and available, like, TODAY), running Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger:

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebO...amp;nclm=MacPro

 

Anandtech's successful test of an 8-core Mac Pro setup, again running 10.4 Tiger:

http://anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2832&p=6

 

Now stop spreading FUD.

[Colonel]

10.4 I believe has 2 processor support, in 10.5 they will bring quad processor support as they are introducing xeon's I am guessing to the mix.

Um, last time I checked, Tiger supported more than 4 processors. Why would they sell the Mac Pro if it wasn't even going to be supported?

[tirtho]

Well duh. Adobe CS2 and Macromedia studio are PowerPC apps, running thru an emulation layer on your intel mac. Of course performance is going to suffer. Try the beta of Photoshop CS3. This is a side-effect of the transition to Intel architecture, and will be addressed by future releases of those products.

 

 

 

 

Are you a moron? Have you heard of the Mac Pro? It currently ships with 4 processor cores, and has been proven (by ArsTechnica et al) to support 8 processor cores. If any of your other points had any validity, you've just lost all respect from me by posting an utter lie.

 

 

Oh puh-LEEZE. First, I dont know what the hell you're talking about 286 for, that being an Intel product number for an aging processor, but hey. And Windows Vista is having some incredible compatability issues, both with hardware and software. Remember kids: Google is your friend.

 

lol, this is a guy that tells people to read on google and himself doesnt read on google to know what windows 286 is

 

here is a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_2.x, by stating the above I will just repeat what you said " If any of your other points had any validity, you've just lost all respect from me by posting an utter lie."

 

This guy is a moderator hahahaha goes to show you what it takes to be a mod in this forum.

 

 

Uh... EyeTV anyone? Hello?

 

 

Actually, macs (especially portables) have always had industry-leading power management - the battery in my first mac (a PowerBook G4) lasted around 5-6 hours. Sleep and wake were practically instantaneous. What exactly do you have a problem with?

 

 

 

 

You mean, apart from the fact you can do Force Quit for foreground applications, or use the (built-in) Activity Monitor to view and kill all tasks? Fool.

 

 

 

 

Its, like, JUST been released and it will improve. Also, does the performance of a third-party API compatability layer really count against the underlying OS?

 

 

Way to go on not 'slamming' the Mac OS there - by telling us 'macs suck' and all. Get back under your rock, troll.

 

>Oh puh-LEEZE. First, I dont know what the hell you're talking about 286 for, that being an Intel product number for an aging processor, but hey. And Windows Vista is having some incredible compatability issues, both with hardware and software. Remember kids: Google is your friend.

 

lol, this is a guy that tells people to read on google and himself doesnt read on google to know what windows/286 or windows 2.0 is

 

here is a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_2.x, by stating the above I will just repeat what you said " If any of your other points had any validity, you've just lost all respect from me by posting an utter lie."

 

The last comment, likewise ....

Edited February 12, 2007 by tirtho

[BRP]

This is a long list, so please try not to be offended that it's a long reply or I cut out parts I have nothing to say about.

"-adobe creative suite 2 sucks better on windows XP ( less ram better performance)"

CS3 is coming soon.

 

"-Macromedia Suite sucks on macs ( less ram better performance on windows)"

They are "working on it".

 

"-OCR nonexistent no native TWAIN support in Acrobat 8 or 7 need to hack plugin directory to get this *&^@*&^#@ to work on native mac hardware ( give me a break apple, 2 hours on the phone with apple to tell me what I already know apple are fraken (*(*& ) Use ReadIris Pro 11 or something else .. DO NOT use Omnipage X its absolute (*&(*&"

OCR is for wimps!

 

"-Voice Recognition haha whats that???? Macs?? Yeah right they have speech synthesis built in which was developed in the 1980’s. Ilisten is a joke. For Speech recognition use Dragaon Naturally speaking for windows By nuance or Via Voice 10 Pro older from 2003 ( a mac version existsnever tested it still inferior to naturally speaking)"

LEARN2TYPE LOLOL0L (okay. well, the only thing I can say is that speech recognition is pretty spotty no matter what).

 

"-PVR on Macs ?? whats that??? Mythtv Backend doesn’t work on Darwin properly because of lack of hardware. You could try plextor PX-TV402U and get it working like I have but its too much trouble decided to stick with a linux backend. Macs do have a frontend but its pointless better off with VLC or mythweb. Windows Vista is Windows media center which offers much better ease of use then mythtv and just works."

This is mostly because Apple is pushing iTunes + ?tv (or Apple TV if that logo doesn't quite work for you) and most people working on hardware are working for either Windows or Linux.

"-Task Autokill – doesn’t do it on macs automatically need to use ps –ax and kill pid or download application. Vista has it built in."

For most intents and purposes, cmd-alt-esc is the key combo you want here. Very rarely do you actually need to kill a process that isn't a part of an app.

 

"-Multiprocessor Support, macs support 2 linux support 16 + windows same story. Macs have a long way to go."

In this aspect you are completely incorrect. In fact, Macs also distribute the load more naturally IMO (I believe in a manner similar to FreeBSD? Correct me if I'm wrong). Quad-core G5's have been around for a while, and Mac Pro is no slouch either.

 

"-ACPI functionally and signaling on macs suck you can see it first hand on a hackintosh . Its even found on native mac hardware. Windows and Linux have the upper hand here aswell."

No, I haven't seen what you're talking about. Under OS X on a native platform anyway. I've seen plenty of Windows and Linux boxes fail spectacularly with hibernation and such.

 

"-Filesystem Macs have the upperhand I happen to like jornaled file system, but its been on unix and linux for years. Windows has a ways to go here. NTFS sucks. So does FAT16,32."

An old quote about Unix: "Sure it corrupts your files, but look how fast it is!". Try to be fair, though. Unix was designed for time-sharing systems and it was only relatively recently that journalled filesystems became practical enough for personal computing (today's software on 10-year-old computers? okay, I'll buy that. 10-years-ago software on 5-years-older-than-that personal computers? no way.) And Windows always has this annoying thing called "backwards compatibility" they have to look out for. They were planning on revamping NTFS, but then relented partially because people in general were like "it works fine, why change it?".

 

"-Wine/Crossover 6 sucks on Macs. Wine is a win32 api implementation that allows you to run native windows programs on macs or linux. Good luck trying to run anything well. Very very flaky."

It works for a surprisingly high number of things. Games are a different question, but keep in mind that they tend to be among the more hacky and undocumented side of things anyways. Linux internals, on the other hand, have high transparency. This is why you can run coLinux.

 

"-transcoding, encoding, DVD to xvid, divx 6 or graph manipulation, macs?? Hahhahahaha stick with Linux/windows for anything to do with transcoding. FFmpegX is there for mac os x but honestly it doesn’t offer the tool set that something like Super Video converter ( front end for ffmpeg) so its free and for windows.. or the linux tools available."

I compile mplayer and ffmpeg from scratch under OS X on a regular basis. Enough said. The GUI's ain't there, but I prefer to do without anyway.

 

"-Macs are memory and HD hogs, a typical install with adobe and macromedia is 25 GIGS my vista is only 15 gigs .. where is the extra 10Gigs from. Maybe because Apple makes you drag and drop buckets of useless libraries in your application folder??? Haha I think apple needs to start shipping their notebooks with 200GB HD’s as a start 80GB doesn’t do their bloated OS justice."

This is where you are particularly shining in the realm of misinformation. First off, thanks to their architecture switch, they basically have to supply any code twice. Then you run into plenty of other problems; they have plenty of bundled functionality that doesn't come with Windows (in terms of sheer amounts; the potential is of course debatable). And then there comes the buzzword "bloated". I'll believe "bloat" when I see it. And you'll have to be pretty specific about why it's bloat, because just numbers don't cut it.

 

"Windows 286-vista

-everything works"

No. I've been using Microsoft OSes for a long time now, and I can definitely tell you that despite the excellent overall job MS does, they failed to keep a lot of compatibility throughout the 1990's.

 

"-lots of viruses"

More than 99% of the existing computer viruses in fact. However, I've used Windows for many years and have never gotten a virus thanks to prudent computer use.

 

"-somewhat bulky and slow if not maintained properly"

Unless you are administrating a system, you should never have to "maintain" your operating system. Oh sure, there is keeping things up to date, but that's like how you don't keep using a dull knife if you can help it. Hell, I haven't formatted a Windows drive for "maintenance" since 1997. But that's because I learned early on that you don't just keep installing junk you don't use that the system does use.

 

"-easily configurable"

There are so many UI experts out there who would beg to differ. The only thing I can think of that comes to mind is that you have a half-coherent GUI (with plenty of tabs and a veritable "sea of dialogs") that give you lots of access to hardware info. Nothing learning to use Linux could fix for a Linux user, and not much more to get out of it than you need to compared to OS X's style (where configuration and information are also separated so you can reference stuff easily while you mess with it).

 

"-Wealth of software and hardware all works out of the box."

Wealth of software and hardware yes, works out of the box, no.

 

"-universal platform for development and easy deployment"

Look up "DLL Hell". It only took Microsoft several tries to come up with a reasonable solution for it.

 

"Linux

-Stable, efficient"

VERY MUCH depends on what you're doing. And for stuff I do? Not very.

 

"-Best for server apps"

This post was brought to you by Linux, literally

 

"-wealth of software"

Depends on what you're doing.

 

"- Best part Mostly FREE!!!"

The software is 100% free. At least the way most people who personally use Linux do things. Corporate support is a different thing, of course.

 

"... but honestly they all suck."

I couldn't agree more.

 

"Windows has by far the most productivity for desktop applications."

I couldn't disagree more.

 

"Macs with all the hype of coolness and slickness can be completely useless to some of us that actually have tasks that need to be done and little time to get them done. "

In which case I would pick a Mac before I ever used Windows. That mostly has to do with your style of working in my opinion, though.

 

"Yes if your using a word processor maybe a mac may be suitable for you."

If all I needed was a word processor, I'd still be using a 486 and a copy of Word 95.

 

"If your doing video manipulation or transcoding or any host of other tasks that lack mac functionality your stuck."

Do you know what the movie industry generally uses? Macs. And transcoding? Not a problem for me at all.

 

"I also find macs crash and burn just like they do in windows contrary to popular belief. PPC software on intel macs via their rosetta software is a good way to test your macs crashing abilities. "

PPC software running on Intel Macs is one of the most amazing features of Tiger. It tends to work pretty damn well. I'll say it though: Windows 2000 and XP do not get enough credit when you consider how damn unstable the predecessors were. "General Protection Fault? What the !@#$ does that mean?!". But actually, I was amazed when I got 16 days uptime on my Mac the other day. I never leave a computer on that long (a good habit for most personal computers, really... I rarely had Windows 95 crash on me this way, and moreover, it saves power. More people should do it.). My Linux box isn't that stable, actually.

 

"X11 on OSX has serious issues with GLX support a lot of GLX stuff doesnt render or just crashes on Mac. I have tested various mac builds along with my Macbook pro on native mac hard ware same story."

What the heck were you doing with GLX?

 

"Pc's are far better interms of control and usability from what I have seen and done.."

Your idea of "control" and "usability" are apparently quite different from mine.

 

"To end I would like to talk about viruses... Everyone keeps saying mac viruses what are they .. they dont exist.. but macs are a unified platform in many ways so it would be much easier to deploy viruses. Read http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/arc...os_x_virus.html"

I find the idea that OS X is basically virus-free merely because there are less of them absolutely ludicrous. That is merely one factor, but not the deciding one. The truth is, if Windows were a super-secure operating system, then there wouldn't be anywhere near as many viruses as there are (and probably less people running Mac OS or Linux!). Windows has lots of security think-os that have been mostly addressed with Vista. Among problems Microsoft brought upon its baby, Windows made it really easy to get at certain things you shouldn't really be able to get at (a lot of viruses and worms and stuff used to be written in VB, you know), and Windows utilized lots and lots of legacy code (buffer overflows and all... but much better practices at MS and the Vista re-write really helped fix this for the most part). OS X and Linux, on the other hand, are basically umpteenth-generation Unix clones, and the kinds of security problems in Unix have been studied for much longer, so they're better addressed and better understood. Plus, in the OSS and Mac community, news about serious security problems tends to get around. Not so for Windows until recently.

 

" ... And get stuck with old dated software, bloated operating system."

Most of my software is fresh new, and my OS is not bloated. Also, I use a lot of open-source software on my Mac.

 

"Huge ram requirements. "

I've run OS X.4 on a 10GB HD (or was it 6GB? I forget) and with only 160MB RAM on a G3 PowerBook. It felt great.

 

"Have finder crash on you every once in a while. "

I've had it happen to me like twice. Ever. It made the dock and desktop disapppear, and it restarted itself. I barely noticed, come to think of it.

 

"Hope their new OS is a better that’s all I can say.. they are also bring out a PVR functionality which will most likely be a joke since all apple products including Ipods are locked to evil itunes and evil Quicktime libaries."

Software isn't evil. People are. Oh, and so are computers

[chelhydra]

I'm not going to go into technical details, what runs faster etc.

OS X is nice for laptops, and use for browsing, writing documents/emails, chat, keeping photos etc. My next notebook will be a mac running ONLY os x.

My desktop/work computer/gaming machine will never be a mac, but a custom pc (overclocked to the maximum) running windows.

[munky]

lol, this is a guy that tells people to read on google and himself doesnt read on google to know what windows/286 or windows 2.0 is

 

ok you got me - i was unaware of a relatively minor microsoft release nearly twenty years ago. however... you are not only unaware of the fact Tiger can use more than two processors, you're saying it cant. thats what we call a 'lie'. so...

 

"this is a guy who doesnt know that Tiger supports more than 2 processors."

 

yknow, if we're going to point-score and all.

 

 

oh, and way to ignore ALL my other points.

[Alucard!]

You know that it is a free country. If you do not like the mac then just do not use it and that is fine with me.

 

U do not have to come here and complaing that boohoo! mac is bad and now windows is like god in some stuff.. Most of us are here windows users and therefore we allredy know that windows has more games, runs in some programs faster and so on and so on....

 

If you hate it so mutch then take your macbook pro and slash it against the wall!!!

[Hagar]

Everyone seems to have missed the crucial point..

 

guess what...

 

THE PLATFORM WARS ARE OVER!

 

the occasional morons who come in here & decide to bash one OS or the other are simply dinosaurs.. with todays hardeware you just pick & mix until you have the working environment you want.. I won't go into the details as there are too many permutations to possibly list, but honestly.. if there's something that is better done in one OS than another, if a particular app on a particular platform suits your whim more than another, go use it! Don't waste everybody's time with yet another [insert platform here] sucks rant..

 

And if I may say so.. the same goes for the "my OS is the best in the world and the sun shines out of the ass of my great guru linus/steve/bill" crew. Fanboyism is next to blind fanaticism, and I, for one prefer to have my eyes open when I work.. it makes it easier to find the right solution to the task at hand...

 

This rant has been brought to you by the committee for equal bytes.

 

Have a nice day.

[munky]

Good call Hagar. I shouldnt have risen to the bait. I blame my hangover.

[tirtho]

This is a long list, so please try not to be offended that it's a long reply or I cut out parts I have nothing to say about.

"-adobe creative suite 2 sucks better on windows XP ( less ram better performance)"

CS3 is coming soon.

 

"-Macromedia Suite sucks on macs ( less ram better performance on windows)"

They are "working on it".

 

"-OCR nonexistent no native TWAIN support in Acrobat 8 or 7 need to hack plugin directory to get this *&^@*&^#@ to work on native mac hardware ( give me a break apple, 2 hours on the phone with apple to tell me what I already know apple are fraken (*(*& ) Use ReadIris Pro 11 or something else .. DO NOT use Omnipage X its absolute (*&(*&"

OCR is for wimps!

 

"-Voice Recognition haha whats that???? Macs?? Yeah right they have speech synthesis built in which was developed in the 1980's. Ilisten is a joke. For Speech recognition use Dragaon Naturally speaking for windows By nuance or Via Voice 10 Pro older from 2003 ( a mac version existsnever tested it still inferior to naturally speaking)"

LEARN2TYPE LOLOL0L (okay. well, the only thing I can say is that speech recognition is pretty spotty no matter what).

 

"-PVR on Macs ?? whats that??? Mythtv Backend doesn't work on Darwin properly because of lack of hardware. You could try plextor PX-TV402U and get it working like I have but its too much trouble decided to stick with a linux backend. Macs do have a frontend but its pointless better off with VLC or mythweb. Windows Vista is Windows media center which offers much better ease of use then mythtv and just works."

This is mostly because Apple is pushing iTunes + ?tv (or Apple TV if that logo doesn't quite work for you) and most people working on hardware are working for either Windows or Linux.

"-Task Autokill – doesn't do it on macs automatically need to use ps –ax and kill pid or download application. Vista has it built in."

For most intents and purposes, cmd-alt-esc is the key combo you want here. Very rarely do you actually need to kill a process that isn't a part of an app.

 

"-Multiprocessor Support, macs support 2 linux support 16 + windows same story. Macs have a long way to go."

In this aspect you are completely incorrect. In fact, Macs also distribute the load more naturally IMO (I believe in a manner similar to FreeBSD? Correct me if I'm wrong). Quad-core G5's have been around for a while, and Mac Pro is no slouch either.

 

"-ACPI functionally and signaling on macs suck you can see it first hand on a hackintosh . Its even found on native mac hardware. Windows and Linux have the upper hand here aswell."

No, I haven't seen what you're talking about. Under OS X on a native platform anyway. I've seen plenty of Windows and Linux boxes fail spectacularly with hibernation and such.

 

"-Filesystem Macs have the upperhand I happen to like jornaled file system, but its been on unix and linux for years. Windows has a ways to go here. NTFS sucks. So does FAT16,32."

An old quote about Unix: "Sure it corrupts your files, but look how fast it is!". Try to be fair, though. Unix was designed for time-sharing systems and it was only relatively recently that journalled filesystems became practical enough for personal computing (today's software on 10-year-old computers? okay, I'll buy that. 10-years-ago software on 5-years-older-than-that personal computers? no way.) And Windows always has this annoying thing called "backwards compatibility" they have to look out for. They were planning on revamping NTFS, but then relented partially because people in general were like "it works fine, why change it?".

 

"-Wine/Crossover 6 sucks on Macs. Wine is a win32 api implementation that allows you to run native windows programs on macs or linux. Good luck trying to run anything well. Very very flaky."

It works for a surprisingly high number of things. Games are a different question, but keep in mind that they tend to be among the more hacky and undocumented side of things anyways. Linux internals, on the other hand, have high transparency. This is why you can run coLinux.

 

"-transcoding, encoding, DVD to xvid, divx 6 or graph manipulation, macs?? Hahhahahaha stick with Linux/windows for anything to do with transcoding. FFmpegX is there for mac os x but honestly it doesn't offer the tool set that something like Super Video converter ( front end for ffmpeg) so its free and for windows.. or the linux tools available."

I compile mplayer and ffmpeg from scratch under OS X on a regular basis. Enough said. The GUI's ain't there, but I prefer to do without anyway.

 

"-Macs are memory and HD hogs, a typical install with adobe and macromedia is 25 GIGS my vista is only 15 gigs .. where is the extra 10Gigs from. Maybe because Apple makes you drag and drop buckets of useless libraries in your application folder??? Haha I think apple needs to start shipping their notebooks with 200GB HD's as a start 80GB doesn't do their bloated OS justice."

This is where you are particularly shining in the realm of misinformation. First off, thanks to their architecture switch, they basically have to supply any code twice. Then you run into plenty of other problems; they have plenty of bundled functionality that doesn't come with Windows (in terms of sheer amounts; the potential is of course debatable). And then there comes the buzzword "bloated". I'll believe "bloat" when I see it. And you'll have to be pretty specific about why it's bloat, because just numbers don't cut it.

 

"Windows 286-vista

-everything works"

No. I've been using Microsoft OSes for a long time now, and I can definitely tell you that despite the excellent overall job MS does, they failed to keep a lot of compatibility throughout the 1990's.

 

"-lots of viruses"

More than 99% of the existing computer viruses in fact. However, I've used Windows for many years and have never gotten a virus thanks to prudent computer use.

 

"-somewhat bulky and slow if not maintained properly"

Unless you are administrating a system, you should never have to "maintain" your operating system. Oh sure, there is keeping things up to date, but that's like how you don't keep using a dull knife if you can help it. Hell, I haven't formatted a Windows drive for "maintenance" since 1997. But that's because I learned early on that you don't just keep installing junk you don't use that the system does use.

 

"-easily configurable"

There are so many UI experts out there who would beg to differ. The only thing I can think of that comes to mind is that you have a half-coherent GUI (with plenty of tabs and a veritable "sea of dialogs") that give you lots of access to hardware info. Nothing learning to use Linux could fix for a Linux user, and not much more to get out of it than you need to compared to OS X's style (where configuration and information are also separated so you can reference stuff easily while you mess with it).

 

"-Wealth of software and hardware all works out of the box."

Wealth of software and hardware yes, works out of the box, no.

 

"-universal platform for development and easy deployment"

Look up "DLL Hell". It only took Microsoft several tries to come up with a reasonable solution for it.

 

"Linux

-Stable, efficient"

VERY MUCH depends on what you're doing. And for stuff I do? Not very.

 

"-Best for server apps"

This post was brought to you by Linux, literally

 

"-wealth of software"

Depends on what you're doing.

 

"- Best part Mostly FREE!!!"

The software is 100% free. At least the way most people who personally use Linux do things. Corporate support is a different thing, of course.

 

"... but honestly they all suck."

I couldn't agree more.

 

"Windows has by far the most productivity for desktop applications."

I couldn't disagree more.

 

"Macs with all the hype of coolness and slickness can be completely useless to some of us that actually have tasks that need to be done and little time to get them done. "

In which case I would pick a Mac before I ever used Windows. That mostly has to do with your style of working in my opinion, though.

 

"Yes if your using a word processor maybe a mac may be suitable for you."

If all I needed was a word processor, I'd still be using a 486 and a copy of Word 95.

 

"If your doing video manipulation or transcoding or any host of other tasks that lack mac functionality your stuck."

Do you know what the movie industry generally uses? Macs. And transcoding? Not a problem for me at all.

 

"I also find macs crash and burn just like they do in windows contrary to popular belief. PPC software on intel macs via their rosetta software is a good way to test your macs crashing abilities. "

PPC software running on Intel Macs is one of the most amazing features of Tiger. It tends to work pretty damn well. I'll say it though: Windows 2000 and XP do not get enough credit when you consider how damn unstable the predecessors were. "General Protection Fault? What the !@#$ does that mean?!". But actually, I was amazed when I got 16 days uptime on my Mac the other day. I never leave a computer on that long (a good habit for most personal computers, really... I rarely had Windows 95 crash on me this way, and moreover, it saves power. More people should do it.). My Linux box isn't that stable, actually.

 

"X11 on OSX has serious issues with GLX support a lot of GLX stuff doesnt render or just crashes on Mac. I have tested various mac builds along with my Macbook pro on native mac hard ware same story."

What the heck were you doing with GLX?

 

"Pc's are far better interms of control and usability from what I have seen and done.."

Your idea of "control" and "usability" are apparently quite different from mine.

 

"To end I would like to talk about viruses... Everyone keeps saying mac viruses what are they .. they dont exist.. but macs are a unified platform in many ways so it would be much easier to deploy viruses. Read http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/arc...os_x_virus.html"

I find the idea that OS X is basically virus-free merely because there are less of them absolutely ludicrous. That is merely one factor, but not the deciding one. The truth is, if Windows were a super-secure operating system, then there wouldn't be anywhere near as many viruses as there are (and probably less people running Mac OS or Linux!). Windows has lots of security think-os that have been mostly addressed with Vista. Among problems Microsoft brought upon its baby, Windows made it really easy to get at certain things you shouldn't really be able to get at (a lot of viruses and worms and stuff used to be written in VB, you know), and Windows utilized lots and lots of legacy code (buffer overflows and all... but much better practices at MS and the Vista re-write really helped fix this for the most part). OS X and Linux, on the other hand, are basically umpteenth-generation Unix clones, and the kinds of security problems in Unix have been studied for much longer, so they're better addressed and better understood. Plus, in the OSS and Mac community, news about serious security problems tends to get around. Not so for Windows until recently.

 

" ... And get stuck with old dated software, bloated operating system."

Most of my software is fresh new, and my OS is not bloated. Also, I use a lot of open-source software on my Mac.

 

"Huge ram requirements. "

I've run OS X.4 on a 10GB HD (or was it 6GB? I forget) and with only 160MB RAM on a G3 PowerBook. It felt great.

 

"Have finder crash on you every once in a while. "

I've had it happen to me like twice. Ever. It made the dock and desktop disapppear, and it restarted itself. I barely noticed, come to think of it.

 

"Hope their new OS is a better that's all I can say.. they are also bring out a PVR functionality which will most likely be a joke since all apple products including Ipods are locked to evil itunes and evil Quicktime libaries."

Software isn't evil. People are. Oh, and so are computers

 

 

The GLX stuff I am working on is mainly on the dev side using code warrior, I found the issue according to a post I found not too long after I posted the original message. Apple's X11 supports the GLX extension automatically. The GLX extension I am using is not supported by apple

 

it fails here

his is the code where it fails:

 

/* find an OpenGL-capable GLX visual */

vi_rgb = glXChooseVisual( dpy, DefaultScreen(dpy), rgbBuf );

if ( vi_rgb == NULL ) {

rgbBuf[2] = 2;

rgbBuf[4] = 2;

rgbBuf[6] = 2;

vi_rgb = glXChooseVisual( dpy, DefaultScreen(dpy), rgbBuf );

if ( vi_rgb == NULL ) {

fprintf(stderr,"no RGB visual with double buffering and depth buffer\n");

exit(1);

}

 

hopefully it gets solved in a new release.

 

anyway regarding the multiprocessor support.. honestly I didnt know there was more processor support then two I was told by apple reps that it was two .. thanks for correcting the matter. I think still windows for me seems to be more productive then macs, and in some cases Linux.

 

 

But thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[JaS]

Here is some Mac Multi-Core/Processor support ... couldn't help myself hehe

[joe75]

THE PLATFORM WARS ARE OVER!

 

 

Equal bytes...Equal bytes <_>

 

Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt

[Alessandro17]

Just one simple thought: at least with a Mac you know you'll have pretty frequent releases of the OS *which are real improvements* on the previous ones, and which don't cost an arm and a leg.

And Windows?

Here:

 

http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2007/0226/050.html

[lord_muad_dib]

man i love this kind of threads! thx for the laugh

[tirtho]

incase there are others that want to try out vista or other os's to see whats avilable here is a vista/os review

 

http://crunchgear.com/2007/02/07/apple-vs-...-os-x-or-vista/

[Caslon]

I've been an IT manager for nearly 20 years on both Mac and PC side of things. Our departments vary from video production to add sales. I would have to say that I am a Mac lover. In the 20 years I have had to know both platforms, Macs have been less trouble. Everytime a new Microsoft OS comes out it's time for upgrades. I have a Mac in house that has been used for 6 years with never an upgrade needed. The failure rate on our PC side with software glitches and drivers and DLL files going corrupt is laughable. In my personal home use of my systems, My Macs have never crashed. I have had many blue screen of death occurences on my Microsoft PC's. Macs just work. You know when you buy a Mac that it will work and work great. I have at this moment 2 Macbooks, 1 Mac Pro, 2 20" iMac core duos and 2 24" core 2 duos. I use them all the time. I also have PCs that I use, a Dimension XPS 710 gamer, 2 inspiron laptops and I do Use a PC server from Dell a Poweredge with 6 TB of HD space. I just have not had the chance to get an xserve that's cheap enough to justify. Server class machines being a totaly different animal. My 2 cents.

 

Please excuse the Fat Finger typing. I'm on my laptop.

[asap18]

Heres something i observed about these three operating system. Everything is coming back to UNIX. Mac OS X is based on UNIX, Linux is Unix-like, and even vista 64 bit impressed me with an option unix subsystem. These operating systems are starting to tie together more than you think.

 

Ive tried almost every linux (gentoo, debian, fedora, suse) and windows xp windows vista, but for some reason i keep coming back to Mac OS X.

[KJY9]

...

Anandtech's successful test of an 8-core Mac Pro setup, again running 10.4 Tiger:

http://anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2832&p=6

 

Now stop spreading FUD.

 

Hmmm are you proud of those benches? The ones that show a Mac Quad getting it's azz kicked by a PC Dual Core?!?

[mifki]

its all a matter of opinion, that is why i hate these threads, if you think it sucks, then good for you, some people might like it, some people might hate it. thats just life, and a 8 Core Mac Pro is going to the beat the {censored} out of a dual core pc, anyday. Sure maybe not in the consumer benchmarks, but once u get into processor intensive/multi-threaded applications, you will see the difference.

[robotskip]

a 8Core Mac Pro is going to the beat the {censored} out of a dual core pc, anyday. Sure maybe no tin benchmarks, but once u get into processor intensive/multi-threaded applications, you will see the difference.

That's quite a scientific and convincing comment, right there.